Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 October 1#1-ary

• {{no redirect|1 = Nitrogen trihydride }} → :Ammonia  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nitrogen_trihydride&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Nitrogen_trihydride stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Nitrogen trihydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nitrogen trihydride closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Nitrogen trihydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nitrogen trihydride closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Nitrogen trihydride|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nitrogen trihydride closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]

• {{no redirect|1 = Fluorine hydride }} → :Hydrogen fluoride  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fluorine_hydride&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Fluorine_hydride stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Fluorine hydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Fluorine hydride closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fluorine hydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Fluorine hydride closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Fluorine hydride|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Fluorine hydride closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]

• {{no redirect|1 = Chlorine hydride }} → :Hydrogen chloride  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chlorine_hydride&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Chlorine_hydride stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Chlorine hydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Chlorine hydride closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Chlorine hydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Chlorine hydride closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Chlorine hydride|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Chlorine hydride closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]

• {{no redirect|1 = Bromine hydride }} → :Hydrogen bromide  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bromine_hydride&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Bromine_hydride stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Bromine hydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Bromine hydride closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Bromine hydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Bromine hydride closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Bromine hydride|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Bromine hydride closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]

• {{no redirect|1 = Iodine hydride }} → :Hydrogen iodide  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Iodine_hydride&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Iodine_hydride stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Iodine hydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Iodine hydride closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Iodine hydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Iodine hydride closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Iodine hydride|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Iodine hydride closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]

• {{no redirect|1 = Sulfur hydride }} → :Hydrogen sulfide  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sulfur_hydride&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sulfur_hydride stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Sulfur hydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Sulfur hydride closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Sulfur hydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Sulfur hydride closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Sulfur hydride|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Sulfur hydride closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]

• {{no redirect|1 = Selenium hydride }}/{{no redirect|1 = Selenium dihydride }} → :Hydrogen selenide  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Selenium_hydride&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Selenium_hydride stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Selenium hydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Selenium hydride closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Selenium hydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Selenium hydride closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Selenium hydride|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Selenium hydride closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]

• {{no redirect|1 = Carbon hydride nitride }} → :Hydrogen cyanide  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carbon_hydride_nitride&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Carbon_hydride_nitride stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Carbon hydride nitride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carbon hydride nitride closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Carbon hydride nitride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carbon hydride nitride closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Carbon hydride nitride|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carbon hydride nitride closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]

• {{no redirect|1 = Carbon tetrahydride }} → :Methane  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carbon_hydride_nitride&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Carbon_hydride_nitride stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Carbon tetrahydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carbon tetrahydride closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Carbon tetrahydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carbon tetrahydride closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Carbon tetrahydride|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carbon tetrahydride closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]

• {{no redirect|1 = Oxygen dihydride }} → :Properties of water  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oxygen_dihydride&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Oxygen_dihydride stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Oxygen dihydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Oxygen dihydride closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Oxygen dihydride|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Oxygen dihydride closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Oxygen dihydride|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Oxygen dihydride closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The names oxygen dihydride implies that the nitrogen/fluorine/…/oxygen is oxidized and the hydrogen is reduced. In reality, nitrogen, fluorine, …, and oxygen are more electronegative than hydrogen, so the hydrogen would be oxidized, and the nitrogen/fluorine/…/oxygen would be reduced, so the nitrogen/fluorine/…/oxygen, not the hydrogen, would get the -ide suffix because that always goes to the element that is reduced. Such a blatant violation of electronegativity would never occur, so I doubt that any of these names would be used in scientific literature besides an explanation of why electronegativity and ionic and polar bonds do not work like that. Also, even if things did work like that, the sulfur hydride page would still be wrong because the proper name would be sulfur dihydride. Also, if anyone finds any similar redirects, and not just with hydrogen (for example chlorine sodide or chlorine natride redirecting to sodium chloride), please add them to the list. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 20:25, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

• Just a question since I last looked at a chemistry textbook 20 years ago: would these be simple or obvious mistakes to make for someone less informed? i.e. NH{{sub|3}} ~= "nitrogen trihydride"? Redirects don't necessarily have to be correct, but would these be useful for finding information? Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 22:39, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

::{{ping|Ivanvector}} If you mean that people searching might think that nitrogen trihydride and trihydrogen mononitride are the same thing, I doubt that that's likely. If it is, we could make a new section in hydride that explains that hydrogen can only form hydrides with elements that are more electropositive than it because otherwise, the hydrogen would be oxidized, not reduced, and have all of the pages listed redirect to that section. A potential problem is that a different section would have to be made for compounds with a different "reduced" element, like chlorine natride. However, I doubt that reversed-oxidation names are significant enough to merit a page just for them. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 04:51, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

:::No, not quite what I meant. I meant more like a reader seeing NH{{sub|3}}, counting "nitrogen and three hydrogens", and coming up with "nitrogen trihydride". It's wrong, but if I'm understanding you correctly nitrogen trihydride is a compound that can't exist, so a reader entering that as a search term is probably just mistaken and actually looking for ammonia. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 12:27, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

::::The solution that I proposed would clarify things to the reader. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 06:09, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

• Just because a name violates the electronegativity order does not mean it is not used; it's certainly not uncommon to hear of fluorine oxide. We should instead be asking whether these names are used, not whether they are correct. These compounds are simple enough (they are likely to be encountered in the first years of school chemistry) that I would favour keeping these redirects. Double sharp (talk) 04:04, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
• Keep per Double Sharp and the page view statistics that show all of these are terms that are used (very well used in some cases). We should not make it harder for people to find the information they are looking for - the article will correct any misconceptions, misunderstandings or similar the searcher has. Our job is to educate readers, not require them to be educated before they arrive here. Thryduulf (talk) 11:12, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

::The lead, which is typically the first and sometimes the only part of an article that visitors read, of Properties of water does not state which part of a water molecule is partially positive or negative (and readers might not even know that this is what is meant by water being polar), and Properties of water#Polarity and hydrogen bonding does not explain that the partial charges are due to the electrons being closer to the oxygen atom, explain that this is what is meant by the oxygen atom being partially reduced, or explain that the -ide suffix is only given to atoms that are reduced. The lead of Ammonia does not contain any mention to polarity, and Ammonia#Structure states that ammonia is polar but does not do anything to elaborate or state what that means. The article for hydrogen fluoride does not even have the word polar anywhere on the entire page. My point is that the target articles probably won't correct readers' misconceptions about things like what the -ide suffix means and whether or not there's a difference between hydrogen monofluoride and fluorine monohydride. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 06:09, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

• Keep mostly per everyone. I'm somewhat less convinced about {{no redirect|1=carbon hydride nitride}} which doesn't fit the error pattern (why is it not hydrogen carbide nitride?) and doesn't seem to be very frequently used compared to the others. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 12:27, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

:Carbon is more electronegative than hydrogen, and even if the difference is relatively small, so small that the bond is practically covalent for some purposes, it would definitely be improper to state or imply that hydrogen is more electronegative than or oxidizes carbon. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 06:09, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

• Keep and mark as misnomer. Mark as {{tl|R from misnomer}}. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 13:40, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
• Keep Nitrogen trihydride, Iodine hydride, Sulfur hydride, Selenium hydride and Carbon tetrahydride, which are mentioned in their respective targets and so are unlikely to cause confusion. Delete the others: in the absence of such a mention, the targets are unhelpful and potentially confusing to readers, especially readers who are less knowledgeable about chemistry. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 21:11, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Data diddling }} → :Fraud  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Data_diddling&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-08-11&end=2018-09-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Data_diddling stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Data diddling|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Data diddling closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Data diddling|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Data diddling closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Data diddling|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Data diddling closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Not at target.  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  22:01, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

• Comment - This makes me think first and foremost of misleading statistics in the sense that is described in 'Misuse of statistics' more than outright fraud, which implies either the deletion of valid data or the creation of false data. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:34, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
• Retarget to Cybercrime#Financial fraud crimes. [http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/bp87-e.htm This] Government of Canada publication on computer crime (from 1984!) defines data diddling as the act of changing data before entry into a computer system for the (fraudulent, usually financial) benefit of the operator, such as falsifying the amount of a cheque. There are many other websites (law blogs, cybersecurity bulletins, UrbanDB) which define it the same way. We have a more specific article on computer fraud but it doesn't describe this particular criminal activity, and neither does our article on bank fraud. Also, cheque fraud and cheque kiting are not the only forms of this activity. Could be a {{tl|R with possibilities}}. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:16, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
• Delete: the definition Ivanvector refers to seems to be well-documented, but the term isn't mentioned at the current target, or at Cybercrime#Financial fraud crimes, or in any other article, so we don't have anything useful to which we can direct the reader who searches for this. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 21:38, 12 September 2018 (UTC) Keep the stub now at this location. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 20:36, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

• Delete per Arms & Hearts. Thryduulf (talk) 14:08, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

• Following up on my comment above, I've drafted a stub for an article below the redirect. The sources describe some real-world occurrences, at least one of which is probably noteworthy for its own section, but I haven't got time at the moment. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 20:01, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
• Keep/merge the content that Ivanvector drafted. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:33, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Public outcry }} → :Protest  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Public_outcry&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-08-11&end=2018-09-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Public_outcry stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Public outcry|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Public outcry closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Public outcry|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Public outcry closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Public outcry|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Public outcry closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

I don't think this is the same thing, and I can't find a good place to redirect this to.  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  22:09, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

• Comment, the second definition at Wiktionary is "a strong protest" so the target is not wrong, but we might be able to do better. Related to this, I've just created a disambiguation page at Outcry (after being surprised there wasn't one when I saw the search results) that could likely do with some cleanup. I've not listed this redirect on the page, but if it is not deleted it probably belongs. Thryduulf (talk) 23:32, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
• Keep. I agree that it isn't quite the same thing, but I can't find any better target (controversy, scandal, brouhaha, dissent etc. are similar but aren't much better, and are all less substantial articles) and this is probably a plausible enough search term that it's worth having it point somewhere. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 22:24, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
• It might be worth adding those targets to either Protest (disambiguation) or Outcry (disambiguation). Certainly if this redirect is kept the latter should be linked in a hatnote. Thryduulf (talk) 11:50, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

:Add controversy, scandal etc to outcry and redirect there. 83.216.92.96 (talk) 04:38, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Supergirl (season 2) }} → :List of Supergirl episodes  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Supergirl_(season_2)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Supergirl_%28season_2%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Supergirl (season 2)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Supergirl (season 2) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Supergirl (season 2)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Supergirl (season 2) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Supergirl (season 2)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Supergirl (season 2) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Once this redirect is deleted, I can move Draft:Supergirl (season 2) to this name. At Talk:List of Supergirl episodes, I have justified my reasons for bringing the draft to the mainspace (even though it has yet to be responded to). Kailash29792 (talk) 18:54, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

• Procedural keep - please continue discussing the matter on that talk page. Once you have consensus for promoting the draft to main space, any admin or page mover can perform this move for you. In the meantime, the redirect is doing what it should: directing readers to relevant content. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:30, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
• Procedural keep per Ivanvector. You're putting the cart before the horse here. Thryduulf (talk) 11:16, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Powah }} → :Power (social and political)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Powah&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-08-11&end=2018-09-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Powah stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Powah|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Powah closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Powah|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Powah closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Powah|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Powah closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Seriously? Is this a joke?  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  22:12, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

: No joke, what is the problem? Mathiastck (talk) 22:49, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

:: Powah has multiple search results in wikipedia but has no page or redirect: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Powah&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%22namespaces%22%3A%5B0%2C9%2C11%2C12%5D%7D&ns0=1&ns9=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&searchToken=1gom1uruppls1c37sp0c062y0 Mathiastck (talk) 22:53, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

• Weak Retarget to Hobbamock Pow wow where the term is explained as a term for "Shaman". I'm not sure if it is the best target though hence the weak vote --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:48, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
• If we're going to go by that meaning, then the proper target is Pow wow, of which the redirect term is a native name or an obscure alternative spelling. – Uanfala (talk) 07:31, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
• Changing vote, I've added an cited entry at Pow wow for Powah --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:51, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
• Delete - silly. Mis-spelling isn't mentioned at target and doesn't have enough prevalence for inclusion. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 01:17, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

: Keep Originally Powah redirected to Power a proper disambiguation page, bots moved it, and that resulted in it being nominated for deletion. Mathiastck (talk) 01:49, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

:: It's listed at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/powah as an Eye dialect spelling of power. Mathiastck (talk) 01:52, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

• Retarget to Power (the dab page) - I've seen this eye dialect spelling used for at least two different uses of that word (electricity and applying a car's engine power). Thryduulf (talk) 10:39, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
• Weak disambiguate given the Native American uses of it showing up in search results for Wikipedia Squanto, Hobbamock AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:12, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
• Retarget to Power – Google results, taken together with the Wiktionary entry and Thryduulf's anecdotal evidence, are enough to convince me that some sense of "power" (and not necessarily the specific sense of the current target) is the most likely intended meaning. We could add Pow wow to the disambiguation page's see also section, as that article has a definition of the word. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 23:05, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

• Retarget to Power (disambiguation) – per User:Mathiastck. There are proper redirect categorizations for eye dialect spellings, such as {{Tl2|R from alternate spelling}}, {{Tl2|R to article without mention}}, possibly {{Tl2|R for convenience}} (and others?). 84.250.17.211 (talk) 17:36, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
• Retarget to Pow wow. Retargeting to Power is a no-no: a proper, albeit by now obscure, spelling always takes precedence over dialectal (mis)spellings; this is especially so for an everyday word like "power": it is extremely unlikely that any reader of wikipedia could either encounter it in a variant spelling and not recognise it, or knowingly use the dialectal spelling in preference to the proper one when searching. – Uanfala (talk) 15:05, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

• Retarget to Pow wow per Uanfala. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:48, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
• Retahget per Uanfala: a proper term should be preferred over an eye dialect or uncommon error when there isn't evidence of significant prominence of the erroneous term. Maybe a hatnote from the section to the disambiguation page would be helpful, but I also think that people looking for power can probably figure out how to type it, it's not one of those difficult English words like rhythim or rythme or rhytm. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:43, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = 9-ary }} → :Base 9  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=9-ary&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=9-ary stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:9-ary|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#9-ary closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:9-ary|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#9-ary closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:9-ary|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#9-ary closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

n-ary arity is as likely a target (and the re-redirect from base 9 to ternary numeral system would lead to a misleading target.) — Arthur Rubin (talk) 04:20, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

• See {{oeis|A319726}}. --- Xayahrainie43 (talk) 10:16, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
• Change to point to disambiguation. There are multiple possible targets (even if at present some of them redirect to other articles). Therefore, I think, we should start to prepare the infrastructure in form of disambiguation pages up to at least Denary.

: On each of these disambiguation pages there should be a "See also" section with links to the next lower and next higher disambiguation page, so that users can incrementally jump through the whole series (similar to what we did at the lower end, see Binary (disambiguation)).

: --Matthiaspaul (talk) 13:35, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

• Retarget the target and fix the double redirect: Base 9 redirects to Ternary numeral system, which would leave many readers confused because that might not understand right away that because nine is a power of three, one digit in base nine is equivalent to two adjacent digits in base three. Therefore, it would probably be wise to redirect Base 9 and possibly Base 27 to Ternary numeral system#Compact ternary representation: base 9 and 27. As for 9-ary, if nothing else, it should redirect directly to Ternary numeral system#Compact ternary representation: base 9 and 27 in order to resolve the double redirect. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 03:28, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
• Comment. Working on disambiguation page at User:Arthur Rubin/N-ary. Comments there are welcome. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 21:41, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
• : Now at n-ary. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:57, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

::: Looks good to me. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 22:09, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = 3-ary }} → :Base 3  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3-ary&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=3-ary stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:3-ary|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#3-ary closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:3-ary|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#3-ary closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:3-ary|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#3-ary closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Ternary operation or ternary relation are more likely targets. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 04:00, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

• Retarget to Ternary? – Uanfala (talk) 22:13, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
• : Good call. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 04:06, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
• Retarget to Ternary per above. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 12:35, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = 2-ary }} → :Base 2  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2-ary&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=2-ary stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:2-ary|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#2-ary closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:2-ary|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#2-ary closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:2-ary|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#2-ary closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Actually, binary relation and binary function are more likely targets. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 03:56, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

• Retarget to the dab page Binary#Mathematics, which lists the possible meanings. – Uanfala (talk) 22:30, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
• : Good call. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 04:07, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
• Retarget to Binary per above. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 12:36, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = 1-ary }} → :Base 1  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1-ary&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=1-ary stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:1-ary|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#1-ary closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:1-ary|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#1-ary closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:1-ary|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#1-ary closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Unary function and Unary relation are much more likely targets. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 04:31, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

• Can't this be retargeted to the dab page Unary? – Uanfala (talk) 22:16, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
• : Good call. I should have thought of that. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 04:08, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
• Retarget to Unary per above. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 12:37, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Hyper6 }} → :Hexation  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hyper6&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Hyper6 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Hyper6|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Hyper6 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Hyper6|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Hyper6 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Hyper6|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Hyper6 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]

• {{no redirect|1 = Hyper-6 }} → :Hexation  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hyper-6&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Hyper-6 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Hyper-6|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Hyper-6 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Hyper-6|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Hyper-6 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Hyper-6|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Hyper-6 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]

• {{no redirect|1 = 6-ation }} → :Hexation  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=6-ation&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=6-ation stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:6-ation|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#6-ation closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:6-ation|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#6-ation closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:6-ation|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#6-ation closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

• Delete. Hexation might be an appropriate target, but hyperoperation, where hexation redirects, would not. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 03:54, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

• Keep and retarget to hyperoperation to avoid the double redirect. In contrast to Arthur above I think hyperoperation would be a good target for them, the terms are even mentioned there and discussed in a broader context.

: --Matthiaspaul (talk) 08:43, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

::The double redirect would have to be fixed, of course. But we could tag these with {{t|R avoided double redirect}} to make their connection to "hexation" clear. How does that sound, Arthur Rubin? --BDD (talk) 17:39, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

::: Sounds good to me. And thanks, BDD, I hereby learnt about a new rcat {{tl|R avoided double redirect}} - so far I tried to achieve the same with HTML comments containing additional #redirect tokens for possible future use, but this rcat is obviously a better solution. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 22:09, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

• Retarget to hyperoperation. I don't understand anything in that article past "In mathematics," but "hyper6", "hyper-n" and "-ation" are all mentioned, so it seems as though the reader who searches for these will be taken to the most relevant information, and no other better target seems to exist. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 20:20, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

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