Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 April 20#Lift plus

• {{no redirect|1 = Carn Dum }} → :Nazgûl  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carn_Dum&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-13&end=2020-04-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Carn_Dum stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Carn Dum|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carn Dum closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Carn Dum|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carn Dum closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Carn Dum|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carn Dum closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Carn dum }} → :Nazgûl  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carn_dum&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-13&end=2020-04-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Carn_dum stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Carn dum|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carn dum closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Carn dum|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carn dum closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Carn dum|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carn dum closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Carn Dûm }} → :Nazgûl  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carn_D%C3%BBm&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-13&end=2020-04-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Carn_D%C3%BBm stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Carn Dûm|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carn Dûm closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Carn Dûm|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carn Dûm closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Carn Dûm|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carn Dûm closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

No mention at target. Other articles also only mention it along the way and do not really describe it. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 12:17, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

• Retarget to Misty Mountains#Fictional geography, where it is mentioned. It's the endpoint of a fictional mountain range, and is mentioned as such in the text with a sourced mention. Hog Farm (talk) 18:25, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

• My previous proposed target has been redirected, so changing my !vote to retarget to The Lord of the Rings: War in the North#Plot where mentioned and explained or delete.
• I think the proposed target is appropriate. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 18:30, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Mountains of Angmar }} → :Moria (Middle-earth)#Geography  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mountains_of_Angmar&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-13&end=2020-04-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Mountains_of_Angmar stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Mountains of Angmar|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mountains of Angmar closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Mountains of Angmar|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mountains of Angmar closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Mountains of Angmar|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mountains of Angmar closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

No mention at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 12:09, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

• Delete - Just an obscure bit of trivia. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 14:21, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget to Misty Mountains#Fictional geography where it is mentioned. I see no reason to delete, since a clear mention of it is present. For awhile, Misty Mountains redirected to Moria, so all of the redirects to Misty Mountains got bot fixed to Moria. The redirection of Misty Mountains was undone, but not all of the redirects were retargeted back. Hog Farm (talk) 18:17, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

• Comment - I've looked at the article 'geography of Middle-earth' and don't see the word 'Angmar' mentioned anywhere. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 20:15, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. My suggested target was redirected in the process of this discussion, probably for the better. Hog Farm (talk) 14:25, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Simp Ep }} → :List of The Simpsons episodes  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simp_Ep&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-21&end=2020-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Simp_Ep stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Simp Ep|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Simp Ep closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Simp Ep|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Simp Ep closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Simp Ep|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Simp Ep closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Delete. Implausible search term, no incoming links, clutters search results for legitimate uses of "simp." as an abbreviation for "simplified" ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?cirrusUserTesting=control&search=simp.&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&ns0=1 link]). Sangdeboeuf (talk) 22:11, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

• Delete - I agree. This seems useless and shouldn't be kept. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:30, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• Delete as implausible. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 11:27, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. TheTVExpert (talk) 13:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Lift plus }} → :Lift (soft drink)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lift_plus&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-21&end=2020-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Lift_plus stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Lift plus|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lift plus closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Lift plus|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lift plus closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Lift plus|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lift plus closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Lyft plus is offered by Lyft and Lyft is pronounce Lift Tsla1337 (talk) 22:04, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

• Retarget to Live+, where it's discussed, which would align it with Lift Plus. Lift ≠ Lyft. - Eureka Lott 22:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget - I agree that this should go to 'Live+'. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:43, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Lyft coupons }} → :Lyft  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lyft_coupons&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-21&end=2020-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Lyft_coupons stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Lyft coupons|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lyft coupons closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Lyft coupons|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lyft coupons closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Lyft coupons|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lyft coupons closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

No mention of coupons on article Tsla1337 (talk) 21:59, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. This should have been deleted in 2018 instead of being redirected. - Eureka Lott 22:32, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• Delete - Wikipedia is not in the business of providing people with discounts. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:54, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = American Interventionism }} → :History of the Central Intelligence Agency  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_Interventionism&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-21&end=2020-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=American_Interventionism stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:American Interventionism|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#American Interventionism closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:American Interventionism|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#American Interventionism closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:American Interventionism|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#American Interventionism closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Current target is too narrow and clearly unsuitable. Can someone find a better target, or should this be deleted? King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 21:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

• Foreign interventions by the United States looks like an appropriate target, and mentions other relevant articles in its hatnote. - Eureka Lott 22:26, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• :Agreed, I support that one. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget - I agree with the above users. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:58, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget to Foreign interventions by the United States. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 11:28, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget to Foreign interventions by the United States. Although the new target is not perfect, it is better than the current one. Note that foreign interventionism is not limited to covert activity (e.g. CIA) or military intervention. --MarioGom (talk) 11:12, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 =  }} → :Private Use Areas  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%EF%A3%BF&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-14&end=2020-04-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=%EF%A3%BF stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}# closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}# closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}# closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

File:Apple logo black.svg

Should this point to the current target, Apple, Inc, Fonts on Macintosh#Apple logo, or somewhere else? For those who can't see this character, it is a PUA character (U+F8FF) that renders as an Apple logo on macOS systems (image). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:25, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

• Retarget - The most logical thing, I think, is to go to 'Fonts on Macintosh#Apple logo' and thus give readers information about the logo itself. I don't particularly like the current target as it stands. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 12:22, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Private_Use_Areas&oldid=730642518#U+F8FF now removed, unreferenced section] suggests this is the most common use. I would add a hatnote on the target, however. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 12:46, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
• Refine to Private Use Areas#Vendor use or keep as is. Its use as the Apple logo is mentioned there, but unless clear evidence is presented that this is the character's primary use, I see no reason to not make it easier for readers searching this character in different contexts (for one, the Klingon mummification glyph). See also [https://hea-www.harvard.edu/~fine/OSX/unicode_apple_logo.html this], why not to favor the Apple logo. ComplexRational (talk) 01:28, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
• Keep should redirect to what it is part of, not just one use of it, even if it is the most prominent. Peter James (talk) 08:40, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

• Keep or create disambiguation page. While Apple logo is the primary use (e.g. Google includes Apple Inc. results), it is not the only one, and it is quite confusing since non-Apple users see different things. I think it would be better to use a disambiguation page with something like this: {{tq|The Unicode character  (U+F8FF) may refer to: (1) Fonts on Macintosh#Apple logo ([http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/VENDORS/APPLE/CORPCHAR.TXT] (2) Windows logo ([https://hea-www.harvard.edu/~fine/OSX/unicode_apple_logo.html]) (3) Klingon mummification glyph ([http://evertype.com/standards/csur/klingon.html]) (4) other system-dependent usages, per Private Use Areas.}} It would probably need a fifth entry for its usage in IBM codepage 1449 ([https://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=VendorUseOfPUA]) but I didn't find what that usage is yet. --MarioGom (talk) 07:39, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = B Dasher }} → :Mario Kart DS  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=B_Dasher&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-13&end=2020-04-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=B_Dasher stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:B Dasher|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#B Dasher closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:B Dasher|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#B Dasher closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:B Dasher|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#B Dasher closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

While this vehicle was introduced in Mario Kart DS, [https://www.mariowiki.com/B_Dasher it has also appeared] in Mario Kart 7, Mario Kart 8, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Mario Kart Tour, potentially making it ambiguous. Also, the B Dasher is not mentioned by name on the Mario Kart DS article. It had 70 views in all of 2019, so it's not being used very much either. – numbermaniac 15:16, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

• Super weak retarget to Mario Kart, since it appears in multiple games in the series, or delete because it doesn't mention any specific karts by name (nor do the articles about any of the other games mentioned, for that matter). Regards, SONIC678 21:49, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

• Delete - I don't think it would be appropriate to mention this in the broader page 'Mario Kart' at all since listing the varieties of different carts by name would be unnecessary trivia. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Draft:Betviton }} → :Sportradar  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Betviton&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-21&end=2020-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Draft%3ABetviton stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Draft:Betviton|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Draft:Betviton closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Draft:Betviton|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Draft:Betviton closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Draft:Betviton|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Draft:Betviton closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Target article only mentioned this name, because the creator of the redirect put it there, without providing a source. I removed it for that reason. Page was previously deleted as unambiguous advertising. Kleuske (talk) 18:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. Redirect which is an improper use of the "Draft:" namespace that doesn't meet the requirements to be kept per WP:RDRAFT since it is not a {{Tl|R from move}}. Steel1943 (talk) 22:32, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• Delete - I agree. This isn't appropriate at all. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 12:06, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Cultural insensitivity }} → :Cultural racism  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cultural_insensitivity&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-21&end=2020-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Cultural_insensitivity stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Cultural insensitivity|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Cultural insensitivity closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Cultural insensitivity|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Cultural insensitivity closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Cultural insensitivity|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Cultural insensitivity closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Culturally insensitive }} → :Cultural racism  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Culturally_insensitive&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-21&end=2020-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Culturally_insensitive stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Culturally insensitive|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Culturally insensitive closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Culturally insensitive|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Culturally insensitive closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Culturally insensitive|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Culturally insensitive closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

These terms don't appear to be equivalent. "Insensitivity" is not mentioned at the target. Based on search internet results, "cultural insensitivity" appears to mostly refer to unintentional failures to accommodate individuals' cultural norms (often in a business setting), whereas Cultural racism describes intentional opposition to multicultural society. I would suggest deletion unless a justification can be provided. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:59, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

• Yes, the intent makes both terms different. Cultural racism argues that culture are intrinsically incompatible between each others and cannot coexist within the same territory, whereas cultural insensitivity ignores the consequences of an action on the sensitivity of another culture. Azerty82 (talk) 19:08, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• I wouldn't assume that someone who is culturally insensitive is culturally racist (I think intention is far less important here though), but I would see forms of cultural insensitivity deriving from (cultural) racism. It's not that there is simply no overlapping, but I would agree that cultural insensitivity can be a distinct, but related, concept. --Goldsztajn (talk) 19:33, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• :Yeah, they're not totally unrelated, but I'm concerned that with the status quo, anyone searching for "cultural insensitivity" is not going to learn anything about what they're looking for, and could even incorrectly infer that these terms are equivalent. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:16, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• :I would argue that the intent makes the difference, although not as I have expressed it. Cultural racism implies the belief in the intrinsic superiority of a culture over others, whereas cultural insensitivity does not necessarily have this connotation. Azerty82 (talk) 22:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget to Cross-cultural sensitivity. Cultural insensitivity may be due to unawareness of cultural differences. It is something you may find in many tourists ;-) --MarioGom (talk) 00:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget - I agree that this should go to 'cross-cultural sensitivity'. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget to Cross-cultural sensitivity. Midnightblueowl (talk) 13:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Matthew Webster }} → :Virginia Tech shooting#Norris Hall shootings  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Matthew_Webster&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-21&end=2020-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Matthew_Webster stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Matthew Webster|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Matthew Webster closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Matthew Webster|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Matthew Webster closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Matthew Webster|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Matthew Webster closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. The draft in the redirect's history is being developed at Draft:Matthew D. Webster, there's no need for the revisions in the redirect's history. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:47, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

: Delete once the new article is released. I'm fine with the redirect being removed. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

• The draft article has been deleted, but there's another Matthew Webster who is discussed at Murder of Leigh Leigh. - Eureka Lott 22:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• Delete - This doesn't seem appropriate. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 14:41, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Kenneth Hulme }} → :Ken Barrie  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kenneth_Hulme&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-07&end=2020-04-05&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Kenneth_Hulme stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Kenneth Hulme|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kenneth Hulme closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Kenneth Hulme|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kenneth Hulme closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Kenneth Hulme|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kenneth Hulme closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Ken Hulme }} → :Ken Barrie  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ken_Hulme&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-07&end=2020-04-05&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Ken_Hulme stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Ken Hulme|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Ken Hulme closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Ken Hulme|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Ken Hulme closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Ken Hulme|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Ken Hulme closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Leslie Barrie }} → :Ken Barrie  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leslie_Barrie&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-07&end=2020-04-05&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Leslie_Barrie stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Leslie Barrie|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Leslie Barrie closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Leslie Barrie|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Leslie Barrie closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Leslie Barrie|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Leslie Barrie closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

No evidence that any of these names have been used by the target; their real name was Leslie Hulme, their stage name was Ken Barrie. I would suggest deletion unless a justification can be provided. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:27, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

• Delete all, especially Kenneth Hulme per this other discussion, yet another one created by {{u|PrinceStingySpoilero}}. Regards, SONIC678 22:27, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
• Delete Kenneth Hulme. The other two I can see as likely search terms so I'll probably say to Weak Keep them. Rationale for the weak keep is that they wouldn't refer to any other person, and redirects are cheap. (You may be interested in RfD'ing Freddie Bulsara and Farrokh Mercury for this reason, which were also created somewhat recently by the editor who made these.) Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 16:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

• Delete all - I disagree with the notion that these are helpful. Deletion seems to be the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:30, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• Delete all - Jumbled together names, potentially harmful if some of these hybrid names are actual people's names in the future. Hog Farm (talk) 14:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Starspinner }} → :Leisure Books  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Starspinner&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-21&end=2020-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Starspinner stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Starspinner|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Starspinner closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Starspinner|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Starspinner closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Starspinner|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Starspinner closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Not mentioned at target. Article creator has the strange habit of writing stub articles on non (or borderline) notable subjects and immediately redirecting them, but if the subject is not even mentioned at the target, then this is not a useful redirect. Fram (talk) 09:48, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

• Delete - Non-notable science-fiction work that, while it [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=4030556208 does indeed exist], isn't particularly worth discussing in the context of the publisher's page. I agree. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 11:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. Not mentioned anywhere else in English WP; no good target. Narky Blert (talk) 12:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Gamelog }} → :Fanzine  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gamelog&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-21&end=2020-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Gamelog stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Gamelog|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gamelog closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Gamelog|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gamelog closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Gamelog|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gamelog closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Not mentioned at target. Article creator has the strange habit of writing stub articles on non (or borderline) notable subjects and immediately redirecting them, but if the subject is not even mentioned at the target, then this is not a useful redirect. Fram (talk) 09:13, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. Impedes searching. "Gamelog" appears in one form or another in over 200 articles. Narky Blert (talk) 12:32, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• Delete - The concept of a "gamelog" is an incredibly vague one that can be based on all varieties of different entities. I agree. Let's simply have people use the search engine. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 20:50, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Gems for Death }} → :Adventure (role-playing games)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gems_for_Death&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-21&end=2020-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Gems_for_Death stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Gems for Death|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gems for Death closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Gems for Death|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gems for Death closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Gems for Death|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gems for Death closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Not mentioned at target. Article creator has the strange habit of writing stub articles on non (or borderline) notable subjects and immediately redirecting them, but if the subject is not even mentioned at the target, then this is not a useful redirect. Fram (talk) 09:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. Not mentioned anywhere else in English WP so far as I can see. Narky Blert (talk) 12:33, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• Delete - I'm seeing random mentions of this term online without any particular sense as to what exactly is being referred to. It's possible that different products by this name exist, but they're quite obscure to say the least. No notability. I agree. Deletion is totally the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 14:02, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = The Gamer's Connection }} → :Role-playing game  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Gamer%27s_Connection&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-21&end=2020-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=The_Gamer%27s_Connection stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:The Gamer's Connection|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#The Gamer's Connection closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:The Gamer's Connection|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#The Gamer's Connection closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:The Gamer's Connection|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#The Gamer's Connection closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Not mentioned at target. Article creator has the strange habit of writing stub articles on non (or borderline) notable subjects and immediately redirecting them, but if the subject is not even mentioned at the target, then this is not a useful redirect. Fram (talk) 09:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. Not mentioned at target or anywhere else, therefore useless. Narky Blert (talk) 12:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• Delete - I agree. This is useless. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:03, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Artemis Fowl: The Ending Of All Time }} → :Artemis Fowl and the Time Paradox  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Artemis_Fowl:_The_Ending_Of_All_Time&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-03-21&end=2020-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Artemis_Fowl%3A_The_Ending_Of_All_Time stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Artemis Fowl: The Ending Of All Time|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Artemis Fowl: The Ending Of All Time closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Artemis Fowl: The Ending Of All Time|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Artemis Fowl: The Ending Of All Time closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Artemis Fowl: The Ending Of All Time|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Artemis Fowl: The Ending Of All Time closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Back in 2007, when the sixth Artemis Fowl book was still upcoming, this article was written, possibly in anticipation that this would be its new title and that it would be the last one in the series (turns out that wasn't the case, it was released in 2008 under Artemis Fowl and the Time Paradox and the series ended with The Last Guardian)...and this was later blanked and redirected to the article about The Time Paradox. It might be time for deletion unless someone can find a reliable source showing that this is an alternative title (e.g., working title, title in another country) for the book (or a justification can otherwise be provided). Regards, SONIC678 04:11, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

• Delete - The term "the ending of all time" is used in a variety of different contexts, but none of them seem to involve the book series. As stated above, this appears inappropriate and not worth keeping at all. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 14:07, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

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