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:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
:The result of the discussion was delete
. There is no trace of any support for keeping this redirect or its content. I'm generally in support of the principle that blank-and-redirected articles are best restored and sent to AfD, but only if there's some actual trace of disagreement about whether the content belongs somewhere. Nobody is standing up for the content of this redirected article, and I'd genuinely feel slightly bad wasting AfD's time with it. While acknowledging the slight breach of process, I'm comfortable making the judgement that this article would not stand a snowball's chance in hell at AfD, and deleting it based on this discussion. ~ mazca talk 19:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- {{no redirect|1 = List of Planets in Alien Films }} → :Alien (film) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Planets_in_Alien_Films&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-09-09&end=2020-10-08&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_Planets_in_Alien_Films stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of Planets in Alien Films|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of Planets in Alien Films closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of Planets in Alien Films|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of Planets in Alien Films closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of Planets in Alien Films|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of Planets in Alien Films closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
This [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Planets_in_Alien_Films&oldid=786219045 was formerly a stub article] created back in 2017, until it was redirected shortly after to its current target, which contains no such list (which I can't seem to find on Wikipedia), and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alien_(film)&oldid=788506223 didn't contain it at the time]. There is a section about planets in the film's design, but I'm not sure about refining there, so maybe delete unless someone can find a better target. Regards, SONIC678 03:06, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Restore list per WP:BLAR without prejudice to AfD if anyone desires. Thryduulf (talk) 14:21, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete there’s no chance that such an unsourced list would possible survive an AFD so I see no reason to restore the article for pure bureaucracy.--76.67.169.43 (talk) 21:53, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- It isn't pure bureaucracy, it's about giving editors interested in articles like this the chance to see it and potentially improve it (e.g. by adding sources). RfD should only be used to delete article content in 2 circumstances: (1) when there has been a consensus that the content should not be an article, and (2) when the content would be speedily deleted as an article. Given that neither apply here, deletion via RfD is unjustifiable. Thryduulf (talk) 01:53, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
{{resize|91%|Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 06:30, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Restore and send to AfD per standard procedure. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:13, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Textbook WP:SNOW case. The list only briefly existed, and obviously fails WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. --BDD (talk) 16:11, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. The list was in awful shape and should not be restored for reasons alluded to above. That being said, I'm surprised that {{u|Nikkimaria}} decided to push this under the rug by creating a misleading redirect—because there is no such list at Alien (film)—instead of pursuing its deletion (especially since it was originally contested). I'd be interested in hearing from her in case there is something I'm missing. -- Tavix (talk) 17:25, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
:*IIRC (this was several years ago) it was based on the section noted by the OP which could house such material. I don't feel particularly strongly about it. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:02, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, BLAR applies when there's a disagreement over whether the content merited blanking, not for when we're questioning the utility of the redirect itself 3 years after the fact. signed, Rosguill talk 19:58, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
- No, it's for all cases where there was article content replaced by a redirect without discussion. And anyway there are two editors here at least (myself and LaundryPizza03) whose recommendations can reasonably taken as disagreement with the blanking. Thryduulf (talk) 16:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- :The text of BLAR pretty clearly says {{tq|If other editors disagree with this blanking}}, and then goes on to describe ways to resolve disagreements about article content; it doesn't say anything about objections to the redirect's utility. If you genuinely think that the list is worth saving and would vouch for it if taken to AfD then I think invoking BLAR is valid, but if your objection is purely procedural and you're not interested in defending the page's content prior to blanking I don't think it applies. signed, Rosguill talk 17:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- My interest is ensuring that deletion occurs according to the principles of Wikipedia, which include no content being deleted without consensus at an appropriate venue. RfD is not and never has been an appropriate venue to discus article content, including because discussions here do not alert interested users appropriately. Whether I think it should be kept or deleted at AfD is irrelevant. Additionally, WP:BLAR actually says "the content issues should be discussed at the relevant talk page, and other methods of dispute resolution should be used, such as restoring the article and nominating the article for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion or listing on Wikipedia:Requests for comments for further input.". Further input has been sought at RfD and everyone is agreed that the redirect is not appropriate so the next step is restoring the article content adn nominating it at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 18:03, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.
