to Build Back Better (disambiguation). signed, Rosguill talk 20:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- {{no redirect|1 = Build Back Better }} → :Joe Biden 2020 presidential campaign (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Build_Back_Better&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-09-04&end=2020-10-03&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Build_Back_Better stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Build Back Better|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Build Back Better closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Build Back Better|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Build Back Better closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Build Back Better|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Build Back Better closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
An IP editor has been retargeting this page to its original target, Building Back Better, after it had been changed to point to Joe Biden 2020 presidential campaign. A discussion was started at Talk:Building Back Better#Someone keeps redirecting this to a page about Joe Biden!! and a user cited WP:PRIMARYTOPIC as the rationale for the change. While the presidential campaign is more recent and may have seen more use, the original UN program occupied that space 19 January 2020 – 10 September 2020. I remain neutral on this, but my question is: should the redirect remain targeted at the current page or retarget the original page, Building Back Better? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:28, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
:I think it should redirect to the Biden campaign because that is what most editors are looking for when they type that in. The Wikishark tool shows that interest in the article picked up after Biden adopted the term.[https://www.wikishark.com/title/en/Build_Back_Better] The usual name for the UN program is Building Back Better, so one would expect readers to type that in if that was what they were looking for. TFD (talk) 22:22, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
:Except there's next to no information about Build Back Better at the Biden page! :S 51.219.141.160 (talk) 22:38, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
:The term Build Back Better is being used in the UK (among other countries). By a political party. Despite the term being pretty self explanatory, I wanted to know more about to what the term referred, when and where the term/slogan originated, etc. That's what the Build[ing] Back Better page provides. The Biden page doesn't. Also, the Build Back Better campaign by Biden models / copies / is inspired by the original Building Back Better program. So the fact there are a few letters different ("-ing") is neither here nor there. It's not true that a user would type in the name of the UN program if that was what they were looking for, because the reader won't necessarily have heard of the UN program: that's the sort of thing they would find out if they landed on the right (Building Back Better) page when they typed in, "Build Back Better". "Building Back Better" is OBVIOUSLY much closer to "Build Back Better" than "Joe Biden 2020 presidential campaign". And yet again, I remind you that the USA != the world. The world is a big place, the idea that a phrase like "Build Back Better" should direct to something about the 2020 campaign of a politician in just one of the almost-200 countries in the world is ridiculous.
51.219.141.160 (talk) 22:50, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
:Observation: The phrase "Build Back Better" shows up three times in Joe Biden 2020 presidential campaign: As part of {{tl|redirect}}, in the slogan parameter of the infobox, and reference 11 (Build Back Better: Joe Biden’s Jobs and Economic Recovery Plan for Working Families, Joe Biden Official Website). Checking the WikiShark offered by TFD, the redirect has starting seeing more use around May 2020 and peaked up at September 7, so there's no denying that the redirect became much more useful during the campaign. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:14, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
:If someone searching for "Build Back Better" should land on a page about Joe Biden's campaign because it's a slogan (or attitude or similar) they've adopted, then by the very same logic, someone searching for "Build Back Better" should [also] land on a page about the UK's Conservative Party or its leader, Boris Johnson, because "Build Back Better" is a slogan (or attitude or similar) that they've also adopted. But what about landing on the pages of other political parties, or other non-profit organisations etc., etc., that have also adopted the slogan/attitude?? Or does it only matter if it's American centric? So shall I go ahead and stick a few mentions of "Build Back Better" in the page about the Conservative Party (UK) and then have the term redirect to that page?51.219.141.160 (talk) 11:08, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
:A comment regarding your Observation, Tenryuu: I hardly think people search for things in Wikipedia only to come across articles that merely *mention* the phrase for which they searched! The phrase "Build Back Better" merely showing up in an article can't possibly be justification for redirecting to that article!!51.219.141.160 (talk) 11:15, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
::This is why we need a proper disambiguation page, as pointed out in the two prior sections of that article talk page. After all, it's jarring to search a slogan for the Biden campaign and find a page about a UN program that has nothing to do with it (which by the way, created by someone that was here for two months solely for disaster relief topics and may have even been here for promotional purposes, to the point that a conflict of interest notice was later given to the user).
::And I think formally changing the article name was seen as a signal clearing the way for such a change.2600:1012:B02B:4128:0:44:DC77:B601 (talk) 00:06, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
::I think this should hopefully satisfy all concerned parties. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:52, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.
