File:White x in red rounded square.svg Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
:The result of the discussion was delete
all except −6, which had no consensus to delete. As a disambiguation page has already been started there, I'll leave that as it is. It can be deleted at WP:Afd if needed. Aervanath (talk) 20:12, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- {{no redirect|1 = −3 }} → :3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:−3|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−3 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:−3|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−3 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:−3|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−3 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
- {{no redirect|1 = -3 }} → :3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:-3|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#-3 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:-3|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#-3 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:-3|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#-3 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
- {{no redirect|1 = −4 }} → :4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:−4|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−4 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:−4|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−4 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:−4|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−4 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
- {{no redirect|1 = −6 }} → :6 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:−6|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−6 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:−6|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−6 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:−6|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−6 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
- {{no redirect|1 = −7 }} → :7 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:−7|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−7 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:−7|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−7 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:−7|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−7 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
- {{no redirect|1 = −8 }} → :8 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:−8|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−8 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:−8|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−8 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:−8|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−8 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
- {{no redirect|1 = −9 }} → :9 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:−9|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−9 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:−9|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−9 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:−9|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−9 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
- {{no redirect|1 = −10 }} → :10 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:−10|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−10 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:−10|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−10 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:−10|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#−10 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
The additive inverses are not explicitly described at the number articles, so these redirects are not particularly helpful for the reader. Looking at deletions like Special:Redirect/logid/24922761, Special:Redirect/logid/24922757, Special:Redirect/logid/24922754, it appears that there has been some previous discussion regarding this (possibly concerning articles rather than redirects though); however, the WikiProject in the summary is a redlink. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 13:35, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
:I would assume WP:WikiProject Numbers, although I don't see a 2009 discussion on the subject. Maybe the 2006 Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/-19? Tarl N. (discuss) 13:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
:*Comment I don't see any relevant discussion at WT:WikiProject Numbers either. Vaguely relevant previous RfDs are Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 September 12#-4 (number) and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 January 9#–999. Certes (talk) 14:05, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
::Oh, thanks, I didn't notice the link in the deletion summary had a typo. Not sure whether a 2006 AfD could be reasonably referred to as "consensus within WikiProject Numbers" (and that in 2009), but the discussions linked by Certes appear to show sufficient previous consensus too. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 14:11, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - we need to do something, the current redirects aren't sensible at all. Maybe a retarget to Negative number? Otherwise, delete or convert to a stub with a view to awaiting them being added as encyclopedic topics later. — Amakuru (talk) 14:53, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- We have Minus Six (a pop rock group), Minus six (exile) (a Soviet punishment) and Negative Ten, a redirect to a fictional character not mentioned in its target. Certes (talk) 15:04, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- :Thanks, @Certes, −6 appears to be a good candidate for disambiguation, as already done with −5. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:10, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- ::Are we interested in these?
- ::*Dash 6, an aircraft
- ::*Dash 7, a wireless protocol, an aircraft and a locomotive
- ::*Dash 8, an aircraft and a locomotive
- ::*Dash 9, a locomotive
- ::*Dash 10, a radar countermeasure
- ::I've never seen any of them written as hyphen+digit, but it's a plausible misspelling. Certes (talk) 15:30, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- :::@Certes hyphen, maybe. Except for the "-3" redirect, all redirects nominated here use a minus sign. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:46, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 06:26, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
{{resize|91%|Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 14:13, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete the 3 and 4 redirects, disambiguate Minus six and retarget –6 there,
and retarget the 7–10 redirects to the "Dash #" pages. Not seeing anywhere to point the 3 and 4 redirects; the others we can pool in with existing possible meanings. Generally though I don't think we need the negative numbers to redirect to the number articles, and there appears to be some rough prior consensus against doing so. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:13, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- :I find it very unlikely that somebody looking for the "Dash #" articles would use "−#" rather than "–#" or "-#". It should also be considered that readers might be looking for information on the negative numbers even if we don't have such. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:27, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
:::Delete the 7–10 redirects. If these are truly the minus sign, then I agree they are unlikely search terms to refer to the "Dash #" articles. I could be persuaded to keep targeting the positive number articles, but so far the discussion is not persuasive to do so. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:55, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
{{resize|91%|Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}
Relisting comment: Procedural relist to allow the November 19 log page to be closed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:37, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete I can't see any of these redirects being more useful than the usual page search interactions. Chumpih. (talk) 12:52, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete −3 and −4, disambiguate the rest. I think the −6 redirect was candidated for disambiguation right now. 2405:9800:BA31:F6:A1B4:3655:3EF1:C0A0 (talk) 01:17, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete all. Unlikely route for someone who wants the number articles. If the user is looking for something explicitly on the negative number they are going to be sadly disappointed. We shouldn't create redirects for something on which we have no information – that only frustrates and annoys our readers.
: I don't see the benefit of creating disambiguation pages either. None of the potential targets use "−#" and few know how to type the minus sign. It is only beneficial if it was shown that that rendering is actually used for any of these topics. Then there would be the possibility of readers cutting and pasting it, but no evidence has been presented that this is a possibility. SpinningSpark 11:04, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
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