Wikipedia:Teahouse#Advice about nominating articles for deletion

Hello,

I am trying to understand what about the content on this page (Jayanthi Kumaresh) appears promotional. It earlier was indeed so (unintentionally) and has hence been edited to present a more neurtral tone and amply supported by citations. The tagger has indicated that there is still lots of puffery. Will anyone kindly help me review and edit the article to adhere to the wiki standards. Thank you.

Shyamala. Shyamalswiki (talk) 03:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Phrases such as {{tq|represent India’s Musical Heritage and promote Indian classical music; rigorous Veena training; renowned violinist; excelled in sparkling glee; gave a sold-out concert at Sydney Opera House}} all come across as promotional. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:59, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

::“excelled in sparkling glee" is a quote from a review. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:31, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Yes, but a cherry-picked quote. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:44, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

::::There are about 150 or so links where I do a google search and I am trying to figure out how to make an article about the subject using content from those sources. So, should I just be quoting lines from each of the articles - I thought, we could make factual statements and then give citations supporting it. Can you kindly pick one line out of the article and show me a rewritten version as a sample so I can understand what is wrong ? Shyamalswiki (talk) 16:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::I have removed some of the content you pointed out as appearing promotional. Kindly review. If it appears ok, what would be the next step to get the promotional tag removed ? Shyamalswiki (talk) 03:23, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::Also can you explain what in the name of the wikipedia is this? {{Tq|1=Darbar.org says she was one of the youngest veena artist to receive A-Top grading from All India Rad}}. Wh67890 (talk) 07:23, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::It is basically quoting a line from the website darbar.org .. Is there a better way of saying this ? Shyamalswiki (talk) 13:44, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Ask yourself if this is how we write informations in Wikipedia or is this way any Encyclopedia is written, the way you replied it without acknowledging the error, I think you need a course on how to write articles. Wh67890 (talk) 16:19, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::Kindly do not be offended. I am here in the teahouse to learn and seek the advice of experts like you. I am asking, I am unable to understand what the error is, what is a better way of saying this ? Shyamalswiki (talk) 17:21, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::Since you are commited to do it, why dont you try WP:RS, WP:Notability, WP:Article and WP:Verifiability. These are like constitution here in Wikipedia, reading them will help you getting familiarised with the idea of editing Wikipedia. Wh67890 (talk) 23:47, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::I went through notability already and made a few edits based on that. I will go through the other links you have provided. Thank you for your time and effort. Shyamalswiki (talk) 00:50, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Just for asking: Are you connected to the subject somehow? Wh67890 (talk) 23:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::I am a fan of her music and while looking for something found that her page was really old. So, I am trying to put my best foot forward and get it up to date. Shyamalswiki (talk) 00:52, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::Veena Artist I think not notable Santalipedia (talk) 11:30, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::Also {{Tq|1=She is one of the youngest veena player with A-Top grading[cite the source for your claim]}} is only best version I can advise to you. Also Read some other article that share similarities with you but are in A-class or B-class phase, it will also help you to understand how to write a better encyclopedia.Wh67890 (talk) 23:51, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::I have made a similar edit and a citation was already there. Thank you for the pointer and suggestion. If you find any other sections with scope for improvement, kindly let me know. Shyamalswiki (talk) 00:57, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::What is A-class / B-class, how can I find such articles ? Shyamalswiki (talk) 01:30, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::this might be confusing: A class and B class articles that are neatly written, but not the best standard articles like featured or GAs. These articles follow almost all the rules and criteria that in Wikipedia needs; such as but not limited to, citing, reliability, notability, expansion et cetra. You cannot find them but it is shown, what class that article is of, in the top of the artile just below the title but only if you have enabled this in you gadgets menu.

::::::::::::these are some of the articles related to musics and BLP in your country (india) with A and B class criteria:

::::::::::::1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravi_Shankar Ravi Shankar actually a good article.

::::::::::::2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raga Raga Wh67890 (talk) 01:59, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::::Thank you very much. I saw some of your pointers in the article and I have gone back and added more citations that I could find. I have more content to add but would like to wait until the current content is in the clear and we can remove the promo tag. In the mean time, I saw some of the citations got added with an auto tag and now some are being repeated. How can I fix this and prevent it from re occurring ? Shyamalswiki (talk) 02:19, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::Do not wait to make an article better. Promo tag will automatically be removed by one of us if you refine your article.

::::::::::::::I will not be here since i am busy. So here are some advice. Expand it, improve lede section so that reader understand the spot just liWikof success. ipedia is not just awards collection. Read WP:What Wikipedia is not.You don't need to verify everything but you need to verify sentences that makes claims. Wh67890 (talk) 02:52, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::*Understand the subject not just list of awards. Sorry my keyboard got jammed.

:::::::::::::::Wh67890 (talk) 02:53, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::Thank you very much again for the invaluable advice. what did u mean "lede section" ? Shyamalswiki (talk) 02:57, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::Lede section is the first section you see in article, such as in your case, it is the whole section just above early life and education. Wh67890 (talk) 03:09, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::::Lede section summa rise most important things that you see in the article . And sometime, with care, you can add extra information but make sure lede section is just summarise it. Wh67890 (talk) 03:11, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::Read WP:Lede section Wh67890 (talk) 03:15, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Can you kindly elaborate what you mean by "not notable" Shyamalswiki (talk) 13:44, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi! I recently asked about this topic but more focused on , making an article for Edie Saccone Joly, the 11-year old trans daughter member of the Saccone-Joly family. Everyone agreed that there is only one article on a reliable source and that its an interview so not really reliable.This would be a case of WP:Too soon. However, thinking about an article on the whole family, I found that there are four or five articles on reliable sources that cover the family in deep. And this is not even counting the articles on non reliable sources. Anyways I have been thinking about making an article, a stub perhaps, covering the entire family with some basic information. What do you guys think? Also, no Im not related to them. But Im running out of nicknames so im using their last names as my nickname on this comment!Jeanette Saconne-Joly Martin (dynamite me!) 03:46, 7 June, 2025 (UTC)

:{{U|JeanetteMartin}}, if you have found four or five articles in reliable sources that cover a subject in depth, and if these sources are independent of the subject, then it sounds as if the subject is eligible for an article. (There are exceptions, but I shan't go into these.) But I have to say that I'm wary of articles on families: these tend to be concoctions of snippets about minor matters (or mere trivia) related to individual members of the family, few (if any) of whom are actually notable. I've never heard of the family or of Edie Saccone Joly: when I ask Google for material about ESJ, it serves me a pile of sources that would be utterly unsatisfactory for a Wikipedia article. ¶ Your name here is JeanetteMartin: adding a nickname to it doesn't help communication with other editors, using as a nickname the surname of a family you hope to write about strikes me as a poor idea. -- Hoary (talk) 08:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{U|JeanetteMartin}} Please deal with the issue of your signature, as advised on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:52, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

::Something's happening that I cannot log on to my account of JeanetteMartin. I emailed Wikipedia but they have not answered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeanettemartinfortrump (talk • contribs) 12:17, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I do not think that {{U|JeanetteMartin}} has set an email for the account. Without that, password recovery is unlikely. One should always set the email to recover an account. Peaceray (talk) 19:43, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:::: That is probably it. But something strange also happened because the new account the site wants to give me is "JeanetteMartinfortrump" which Im fine with except for the fact its kind of...political...and this happened right after I signed a message in which I mentioned making an article about a family whose members include a transgender daughter and identified on my signature with them....and its also well known that I myself am transgender and work at a porn chat line, so without suspecting anyone in particular, it's kinda....iffy...... ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATeahouse&diff=1294645232&oldid=1294641168 Added] by Jeanettemartinfortrump)

::::: Jeanettemartinfortrump, however it was that you acquired the user ID "Jeanettemartinfortrump", if you don't like it, then don't use it. Instead, create a new user ID, log in with that ID, follow {{U|Peaceray}}'s excellent advice above about email, and, optionally, mention on your new user page that you were previously "JeanetteMartin". -- Hoary (talk) 05:56, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::I wish i could go back to using JeanetteMartin with the 4,000 plus articles I created...I have plans for many other articles....but if not, Im seriously thinking these days that maybe it's time after 22 years, to take a step away.

:::::I mean, I actually saw my work at Wikipedia as my legacy in this world. None of the articles were mine of course but I started them and in that way, that is something I made. I would love to be able to go back to collaborate as JeanetteMartin, with my contribution history.... Jeanettemartinfortrump (talk) 06:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

I get the message "You need to verify your login. A verification code has been sent to your email address, please enter that code here." when I try to log in as User:Shshshsh, my regular account. I don't have access to my old email. Shshshsh3 (talk) 13:54, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Do you have another device on which you are already logged in? If so, use that to update your email address. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:48, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::@Pigsonthewing: No, I don't. Shshshsh3 (talk) 15:02, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@Shshshsh3

:::Hi, I had to use this "enter the verification code" some days ago, too. If I remember correctly: beneath the Input Box for the code it was stated: "If you No longer have access to this Email adress, please contact...(WMF?)

:::HTH Maresa63 ^Talk 22:05, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::::@Maresa63: Did you send them an email? Shshshsh3 (talk) 08:19, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::no, I didn't have to. Luckily I have still access to my registered email. But first I had a hard time to get the code in, so I noticed the statement. Did you try to mail them? Maresa63 ^Talk 09:33, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::@Maresa63: Yes, no answer yet. Shshshsh3 (talk) 09:36, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

{{atop|1= Already asked at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#:41, 8 June 2025 review of submission by Vishnucaman. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:22, 9 June 2025 (UTC)}}

{{courtesy link|Draft:Renjith Touchriver}}

Earlier, my friend Renjith Touchriver — a film editor — had a Wikipedia page. But now, it seems to be missing. I tried to submit a new one, but unfortunately, it was declined due to a lack of reliable references or news coverage at present. Could you help me recreate the page? Vishnucaman (talk) 19:19, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Welcome to the Teahouse, {{u|Vishnucaman}}. Are there multiple independent sources such as newspaper or magazine articles that discuss Renjith Touchriver and his work in depth? If not, he doesn't meet Wikipedia's inclusion threshold (known as "notability"), which is summarised at WP:GOLDENRULE. Failure to meet that threshold was why the original article was deleted back in November 2020 - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Renjith Touchriver. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:26, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Please don't use multiple forums to ask your question. 331dot (talk) 19:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

{{abot}}

Please I need someone who can guide me and teach me how I can create something approvable on Wikipedia please Marie20123 (talk) 19:25, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Please see the links in the welcome message on your talk page (one is a tutorial). Feel free to come back here if you have a more specific question once you have read them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:31, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Marie20123}}, please read Your first article where you will find some very good advice. Cullen328 (talk) 01:54, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

The download link "Telechqrger" doesn't work.

":wikisource:fr:Le Misanthrope/Édition Louandre, 1910" Cordialement, a (talk) 21:23, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, {{u|Cordialement, a}}. The Teahouse is for questions about the English language Wikipedia. Maybe someone is familiar enough with French Wikisource to help you. Maybe not. Cullen328 (talk) 22:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Bonjour, when you click/follow a Download/Télécharger link on Wikisource, you have to select the file format you want (epub/mobi/pdf) and you might have to wait a few seconds for the file to be compiled. But Cullen is right, for general questions about Wikisource, it's best to ask at s:WS:Scriptorium. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 02:02, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Courtesy link|Draft:Monty Hobbs}}

I recently published a page it was decline, based on the article not showing significant coverage

what do you suggest, can i still re-edit and submit? Lasetunde (talk) 22:46, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:If significant coverage exists (from reliable sources that are independent of the article subject), then you can cite this coverage and improve the draft. If it doesn't exist, then you're just wasting your time (and, if I understand your status correctly, your client's money). -- Hoary (talk) 23:32, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks for your advice, there few reliable sources, but then still not approved. Do you suggest I start from scratch again? Lasetunde (talk) 10:07, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::No; Wikipedia works by a process of incremental improvements. Work on your existing draft and submit it again when it meets the requirements at WP:N.

:::See WP:LIBRARY for places where you can find, or get help finding, sources. You may also get help at your local public library (or your school or college library, if you are a student). Remember that paper sources, as well as those found online, can be used. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:16, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia. An article that was accepted yesterday was moved to draft today. The link is Draft:Tal Avitzur. I believe the reason given was conflict of interest. Any suggestions as to what changes I could make to get it approved? Thanks. PZAllen (talk) 22:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Perhaps {{U|MCE89}} (who promoted the draft to an article) and {{U|Onel5969}} (who relegated it to draft about thirty hours later) would care to comment. -- Hoary (talk) 23:43, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::Sure {{u|Hoary}}. There seems to be a definite connection between PZAllen and the subject of the article. I have no comment on the notability of the piece, it was just that the editor's connection was never addressed. MCE89 does excellent work at AfC. If PZAllen follows the instructions at either WP:UPE or WP:COI, depending on the circumstances, I have no problem with it being moved back to mainspace. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:57, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Thank you Hoary and Onel5969 for responding. This is my first submission and I apologize for not being more thorough with all that needs to be done. I have since added a User page with a declaration of connection to subject of first submitted article and also added a paragraph to the Talk section of the article. (I am not sure how to remove the "(Optional)" that appears before the statement on the Talk page. Before I choose the "Submit for review" or "Publish now" buttons I thought I would check in to see if you have any comments or suggestions on the changes. Thank you. PZAllen (talk) 03:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Hello, @PZAllen. Think of "Publish now" as meaning "Save changes". (It used to say that, but WMF legal people wanted it to be clearer to editors that everything on every page in Wikipedia is published in the sense of being visible to anybody. While it is in draft, it will not be indexed by external engines, so people are unlikely to find it unless they go looking for it.

::::Then, separately, if you believe it is ready for a review, you should pick "Submit for review".

::::Because of your COI (thank you for clarifying) you should not move it direct to article space, though your account now has the technical ability to do so. ColinFine (talk) 14:33, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Thank you ColinFine! PZAllen (talk) 14:39, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::@PZAllen, my apologies - I have just seen the "Publish now" button on a Draft header, and realised I gave you wrong information (I will strike part of it out above).

::::::I have not seen that "Publish now" button before, and it does appear to mean "move to article space". I still advise against using it, because of your COI: use "Submit for review". ColinFine (talk) 15:25, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Thank you for new message ColinFine. I was under the impression that what you initially wrote was indeed correct, i.e., "Publish now" was a way of saving a draft, as I did not have the authority to "move to article space." I am still learning all the ins and outs but I am having a good time figuring it all out. I look forward to adding more articles. PZAllen (talk) 16:01, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm having difficulty understanding the guidelines and article format despite going through the laid down rules.

I'll like someone to walk me through my article so I can see practically where I went wrong and improve Eunice Ameh (talk) 23:24, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Are you asking about Draft:Repatriation of the Benin Bronze to Nigeria, Eunice Ameh? -- Hoary (talk) 23:36, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::Yes please 197.211.63.67 (talk) 09:05, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Please remember to sign in before editing or commenting.

:::I have removed emboldening from your subheadings; as well as some extraneous blank lines (also from your first comment here!). Your article needs a lede. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:07, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you so much for pointing that out. I did a summary though, doesn't that serve as a lede? I'll appreciate if you can send me a link to an article perfectly written, so I could study.

::::I also learn practically side by side seeing what is being done rather than reading it. I'll appreciate if anyone can spare time to take up the writing of that article with me from scratch so I can learn better. Thank you. Eunice Ameh (talk) 21:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::I made a few improvements to the article. However, more reliable sources are needed to support statements and establish notability. Also, a lead section is important; See this article about the Kingdom of Benin as a guide. King ChristLike (talk) 06:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::I'll check the article out now.

::::::Thank you so much. Eunice Ameh (talk) 14:27, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{Ping|King ChristLike}} When you move articles to draft space "for further improvement", please don't do so without giving some indication of what kind of improvements you think are needed. WP:BITE applies. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:10, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::@Pigsonthewing: Sure. I had previously communicated with the user off wiki and suggested areas of improvement. King ChristLike (talk) 10:19, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::He actually viewed the article and helped me in the guidelines and rules and regulations out of this teahouse. Eunice Ameh (talk) 21:31, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Eunice Ameh You need to be careful that your draft follows Wikipedia's policy on taking a neutral point of view. For example you say (in Wikipedia's voice) {{tq|The looting of Nigerian artifacts, particularly the Benin Bronzes, is not merely a story of stolen objects: it is a story of cultural obliteration, imperial domination, and black injustice}} and cite this to [https://www.britannica.com/art/Benin-Bronzes a Britannica article]. However, I can find no mention of "black injustice" in that article. In order to make that kind of evaluative judgement, you need to cite it to a specific quote, preferably from some scholarly source. Otherwise this will be seen as WP:Righting great wrongs, which is not Wikipedia's purpose. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:24, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Alright.

::Noted. Eunice Ameh (talk) 21:12, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you so much for showing that. But I try to paraphrase as much as possible hence the word black injustice. I tied the happenings to a term, which I now discover is wrong.

::However, what if I can't find a quote for this? Eunice Ameh (talk) 21:20, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::If you truly search deep but can’t find a reliable source that supports the statement, it’s best to remove it totally. King ChristLike (talk) 06:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Alright.

::::Thank you so much Eunice Ameh (talk) 14:26, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, can you use YouTube channels as sources if the channel is verified? For example, Channel 4 or a TV program's YouTube channel that is verified ? Thanks x Applesandpears20 (talk) 00:19, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, {{u|Applesandpears20}}. There are dozens of media outlets worldwide called "Channel 4". If a media outlet is generally considered reliable, then its official YouTube channel is also reliable to the same extent. Cullen328 (talk) 02:14, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Okay, perfect thanks for confirming this. Applesandpears20 (talk) 17:58, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I submitted a properly sourced draft on Elijah Anatole, a Saint Lucian filmmaker. It’s currently awaiting AfC review. Is there a way to expedite or get a second opinion? Thanks! ArtlasStudios (talk) 01:50, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, {{u|ArtlasStudios}}. Start by removing everything cited to Facebook, Instagram and interviews with the filmmaker. I am sorry but your draft is not properly sourced. Cullen328 (talk) 01:58, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you so much. I have made the changes and included many more independent news articles, including from the Government of St. Lucia. I would be grateful if you could take another look. Thank you for your kind consideration. Filmboy758 (talk) 09:51, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Note that the username has now been changed to User:Filmboy758, and the draft is Draft:Elijah Anatole. --ColinFine (talk) 14:39, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Courtesy link|Draft:Stark Gallery}}

Hi Teahouse,

I recently submitted a draft article for Stark Gallery (Draft:Stark Gallery), a small but historically significant art gallery on Nantucket. The submission was declined because it didn’t have enough in-depth, independent sources, and I totally understand the standards around notability.

That said, I’m just a big fan of the gallery and wanted to preserve a bit of local history. I’ve included all the coverage I could find, but it’s mostly from smaller publications or local press, there aren’t many in-depth national sources out there.

My question is: Is this article kind of a lost cause if I can’t find more sources? Or are there any strategies you’d suggest for improving the draft, or places I might look for more coverage? I’d really appreciate any advice or feedback.

Thanks so much! Lilstark (talk) 02:55, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Lilstark: Welcome to the Teahouse. Writing an article is often a difficult task for new editors. You can read Help:Your first article for a simple guide, and WP:Notability (organizations and companies) to get more details about what we're looking for.

:A Wikipedia article should summarize what reliable sources that are independent of the gallery have to say about the gallery beyond simple mentions or announcements. Local sources and small publications are sometimes acceptable sources if they contain in-depth coverage of the subject, but most of your draft's sources do not even mention the gallery, and the ones that do (Artists Association of Nantucket and Nantucket Cultural District) are not independent of Stark Gallery. So yes, if you are unable to find better sources, there cannot be a Wikipedia article about Stark Gallery.

:Also, please do not use ChatGPT or other LLMs to write anything on Wikipedia: I see that at least one of your sources was generated with the help of ChatGPT. (See WP:LLM for more information) Helpful Raccoon (talk) 04:00, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:See WP:LIBRARY for places where you can find, or get help finding, sources. You may also get help at your local public library (or your school or college library, if you are a student). Remember that paper sources, as well as those found online, can be used.

:Your user name suggests you may have a connection to the gallery; if that is the case you must follow WP:COI and WP:PAID. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:03, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

How do you get a university degree education with Wikipedia? 2600:1700:5880:C360:E5ED:9983:949:6853 (talk) 06:30, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Wikipedia is not a university and can not award degrees. Osa Akwamarynowa (talk) 06:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:We have a sibling project for that, Wikiversity. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:31, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Which does not award degrees either, it's more like an online textbook. —Mint Keyphase (Did I mess up? What have I done?) 09:03, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::The question was "How do you get a university degree education...", not "How do you get a university degree". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:58, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::::That was indeed the question, Andy, but I for one do not understand what the question means.

::::IP user, please clarify what you are asking. ColinFine (talk) 14:44, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::I assume IP user means "how to get a university-level education by reading wikipedia" and if so, I would adivse that there's much more to education than just reading information. TheDowningStreetCat (talk) 23:26, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

be happy

103.59.134.173 (talk) 09:36, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:I've left some useful links on your talk page. Please ask here if you have any questions about editing Wikipedia, after reading them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:47, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Dear Friends: I recently suggested simplifying the first sentence of Wikipedia's page on "Evil" and it looks like it was accepted. Is there a way for me to know for sure? Thanks, Writing is easy. Writing is easy (talk) 12:04, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. Visit the article Evil, and read its first sentence. -- Hoary (talk) 12:08, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks for answering me, Hoary: Is the standard procedure that no one tells a person who suggested an edit that it was accepted? Writing is easy (talk) 12:16, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::If I make a suggestion and somebody implements it, I'm not surprised if they tell me they've done so; neither am I surprised if they don't tell me they've done so. -- Hoary (talk) 12:22, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Thanks for clarifying that there is no standard as far as being notified if one's suggestion was accepted.

::::I don't know if you are the correct person to ask about the following: Wikipedia's page on MINDSET is excellent. I wonder if the editors would welcome adding sections on topics such as AMERICAN KNOW-HOW, or the AMERICAN MINDSET, THE BRITISH MINDSET, THE GERMAN MINDSET, THE CHINESE MINDSET, THE FEMALE MINDSET, THE LATINO MINDSET, THE JEWISH MINDSET, etc.

::::I say that because since the 1970s I noticed that people have what I back then called MENTALITIES, but see it is best to call MINDSETS. And that describing them helps everyone understand people who are from a specific group.

::::The characteristics of each group's MINDSET are not set in stone, they're the ways people who are part of a group "typically" think and act.

::::I think everyone would agree that, for example, Americans, have a specific mindset. And that it is the product of many factors, such as our history, our society, our schools, our inventions, etc.

::::Thank you, Hoary. Writing is easy (talk) 12:34, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Writing is easy, I happen to think that a comparison of two Americans as conspicuous as the two contenders in the most recent US presidential election is enough to demonstrate that there is no single "American mindset". (And I could make similar comments on "the German mindset", etc.) But what I happen to think is of no import. If you have access to reliable sources on this or that mindset, then you are free to augment the "Mindset" article with scrupulously edited material that cites those sources. -- Hoary (talk) 12:49, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::Wonderful. Thanks! Writing is easy (talk) 12:51, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

: User:Emmnauel Tusiime/sandbox

Could someone please help me understand how I can improve this article enough to have it approved?

Francis Xavier Ruhesi, a pioneer native engineer, lived and served at a time (pre and post independent Uganda) when media coverage in Uganda was very limited. Archiving of print media has been poor and the few articles present (accessed through Makerere University archives) were printed in local media and in Runyankore, a language native to Western Uganda.

In addition, many notable Ugandans killed by the Idi Amin regime "disappeared" (bodies were never discovered) and have not been well documented (It is said that the regime deliberately destroyed documents). Although there is high interest (in the country) in knowing about these personalities, there has been limited investment in research about them. To date, the mentions are in books (without much detail) and in a study - Violations of Human Rights and the Rule of Law in Uganda - by the International Commission of Jurists, Open Letter to General Idi Amin from Wanume Kibedi, former Uganda Foreign Minister (1971-1973), where the interviewee could only give details for a few. Emmnauel Tusiime (talk) 12:45, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Can I change my username, or am I stuck with it for the rest of my life? ইমরান ভূইয়া (talk) 13:32, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:@ইমরান ভূইয়া absolutely. You can request a change of username by filling out Special:GlobalRenameRequest. [[User:CanonNi]] (talk • contribs) 13:39, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

: Portal:Current events/2025 June 8

Hello, everyone! It's correct? [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Current_events/2025_June_8&diff=prev&oldid=1294708046] СтасС (talk) 13:33, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @СтасС! I'm not too familiar with the current events portal, so they might have special house formatting. But from a quick glance, what you added looks fine. Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 14:13, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:: Thank you. I added news because of this edit here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Current_events/2025_June_9&diff=prev&oldid=1294706922] --СтасС (talk) 14:21, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I am wondering why some pages (drafts) like Draft:K. Annamalai are not getting approved despite having many sources, whereas others are getting approved with few references. And why is it saying he is not notable enough for an article when he is a well-known politician who appears frequently in the news?

I would like to improve it with all of the inline references they are asking for, but there is a problem: they say it can not be submitted again. So what is the point of making it correct? Can I make another draft? ইমরান ভূইয়া (talk) 14:59, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Please see other stuff exists. Each article or draft is considered on its own merits. Not every article that exists has been approved by anyone.

:He is a regional party official, not a politician who has won election to or holds public office. As such he is not a notable politician so you would need to show he is more broadly a notable person. Has election victories been attributed to his particular leadership? Has he had influence on party or government policies? What do sources say is notable about him? That's what we're looking for. 331dot (talk) 15:06, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:If you can fundamentally change the draft to address the concerns of reviewers, the first step is to appeal to the rejecting reviewer directly. 331dot (talk) 15:07, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Hello, please don't misunderstand, i am just asking. ইমরান ভূইয়া (talk) 15:13, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Dear All,

My account is more than 4 days old and I’ve made over 10 edits, but I still don’t see the "Contribute" section.

I believe Growth features might not be enabled for my account (possibly because it was created before they were rolled out). Could someone please help enable them or advise what I should do?

Thank you in advance! Lookingforward4future (talk) 16:51, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:I'm not sure what you mean by "growth features" or a "contribute" section, but your account is indeed autoconfirmed. Certain articles and pages require higher levels of access, what article or page are you trying to edit? 331dot (talk) 16:57, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi Lookingforward4future, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you mean Wikipedia:Growth Team features? If Special:Homepage isn't enabled then see "Newcomer editor features" at the bottom of Special:Preferences. If you refer to the word "Contribute" in a menu then it's a heading for the links below it like "Help". It's not supposed to be a link itself. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:10, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Hi @PrimeHunter, thank you very much for your prompt and detailed explanation. I've read the shared articles and it's all clear! Appreciate your support and wishing you a wonderful day / evening, depending on your timezone! Lookingforward4future (talk) 23:11, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

After an article has moved, more than one of its sections are no longer applicable to the moved title and should be replaced by new sections. How should I request a major revision on its Talk page? Thanks. rootsmusic (talk) 17:00, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:You could do it yourself instead of waiting for others to do it, though I'm not quite sure of your schedule. I'd advise placing the template for articles under construction on the top of the article. You can also just leave a note on the talk page with the list of stuff you wish to add - editors may come along and add on. Hope this helps! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 17:49, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:There is no template or formula. If you don't want to dive right in, just start a section on the article's talk page and briefly set out your ideas. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:02, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Hey, I'm a big fan of SPN & was reading thru the main page about the show & Characters. I noticed that in the list of Characters some important ones are missing. Ones that are also fan favs. Even though they are only in a handful of episodes, they are pretty important & 1 spanned several seasons. So, just wanted to know how to go about getting them added. The characters I'm talking about are Sheriff Jodi Mills & Claire Novak specifically. But I'd even suggest adding Missouri Mosely & her niece tho the name escapes me at the moment. & Then Alex too. But my main concern was Sheriff Jodi & Claire. Anyway, sorry this is long & rambling. Just wanted to see about adding them. Thanks in advance for any help! BookJunkie4 (talk) 17:08, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi BookJunkie4, welcome to the Teahouse. Minor characters are often relegated to a separate list article. Jody Mills has an empty section requesting expansion at List of Supernatural and The Winchesters characters#Jody Mills. Claire Novak has a large section at List of Supernatural and The Winchesters characters#Claire Novak. Missouri Moseley (ending in "ey") has List of Supernatural and The Winchesters characters#Missouri Moseley. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:22, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

My draft article about a Canadian artist includes details about his life that he provided while being interviewed. There are not necessarily written sources for citations about the details he provided, but I can quote directly from the artist. According to the explanation for "reliable sources information" for citations, this seems to be acceptable, but I'd like an opinion, please. GYHASHAKE (talk) 17:14, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:@GYHASHAKE Welcome to the Teahouse. The general guidance about this is at WP:ABOUTSELF, which basically says this sort of cite is OK for non-controversial statements about the person themself but not for what they may say about others. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:20, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::But they still have to be published right? He says he doesn't have anything written. I think it is not allowed. Osa Akwamarynowa (talk) 17:45, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Yes, we can not usually accept unpublished sources as they are not really verificable. GoldRomean (talk) 18:01, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:@GYHASHAKE Please clarify, was the interview published? If not, then it is just your words, and this is not accepted in wikipedia. --Altenmann >talk 18:11, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

What's up with :Category:Lists of people by given name? I don't see the encyclopaedic value of lists such as List of people with given name Alan and I'm thinking they fall under WP:NOTDIRECTORY, but I could be wrong since those lists have existed for a while. TurboSuperA+_(connect) 17:23, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:I had the same thoughts 15 years ago. By the way, the same issue is for all pages in :category:Given names, such as Adelbert. However after some thoughts I decided not to fight against them, for several reasons. First, they are of no harm. Second, they are a good exercise for teenagers (and teenager jokers :-). Third and fourth, in some cases it is indeed interesting to know who the heck are these people with the name Reindert or Reinder. Of course I dont think the list in the page Vera (given name) is of any use, but it is difficult do draw a line between rare and common given names. --Altenmann >talk 17:51, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:There was also an idea to list by given name only for people known mononymously by the given name. But again, there is a hair to split as well. --Altenmann >talk 17:51, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

On the page https://oeis.org/wiki/Centered_polygonal_numbers, there is a table near the bottom of the page with a blank column, and the title above the column reads "Order of basis".

I believe that this column can now be filled in with numerals.

The paper that can be found at http://doi.org/10.1515/ms-2025-0037 demonstrates that the order of basis is N+2. That is, for the centered triangular numbers, the order is 5; for the centered square numbers, the order is 6; for the centered pentagonal numbers, the order is 7; etc.... 2600:1700:22F0:9720:CB9:C041:561B:3009 (talk) 18:17, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:That page is on oeis.org, not Wikipedia. Our article is Centered polygonal number, and has no such table. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:49, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::OeisWiki uses the same software as us and looks similar but we are not affiliated with them. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:10, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

I have posted this issue at Talk:Age of consent in the United States#Delaware 2024 update for age of consent. My experience with doing such postings is (too often) that they just get ignored, but in light of the recent changes to the Delaware law, that could have some serious negative results, both to Wikipedia reputation and to certain unfortunate persons who might detrimentally rely on WP.

So in hopes of finding people who may have an interest in addressing this issue, I am posting it here in the Teahouse. Thanks for your attention. Fabrickator (talk) 20:53, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Fabrickator it's true that a question on a single article talk page may not get enough attention, but the Teahouse audience is very broad and threads here get archived quickly, so it's also not the best place for highly specific content discussion. I'd suggest the talk pages of relevant WikiProjects for this sort of issue – the banner at the top of Talk:Age of consent in the United States lists a few of these. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 02:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, how do I get my page rewritten? It's Herb Greenberg. I've been hit up by several people cold-calling to rewrite for a $$. Not sure if they're legit. It has been flagged for need of repair. Thanks, Herb Greenberg Bizinsider (talk) 22:19, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:See WP:SCAM. Scammers monitor places like WP:NPP and WP:AFC to look for people to get money from. Do not give money to anyone. 331dot (talk) 22:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Bizinsider, thank you for not having "simply" (in reality, complicatingly) waded in and rewritten the article. On Talk:Herb Greenberg, you've asked "How do I get the page rewritten if I'm not permitted to do it myself?" Answer: By making "edit requests" (yes, very likely plural). Please see Wikipedia:Edit requests. If anything in that page is unclear, feel free to ask about it here. -- Hoary (talk) 04:21, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::Having now read the article, I'm not sure how this subject qualifies for Notability. He's a career investigative journalist who seems to have done his job competently for 30-odd years, but seems not to have been particularly prominent and, for example, has no awards mentioned. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.81.243 (talk) 10:36, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Bizinsider}} Please see the advice at WP:About you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:43, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

uploading an article Gweskada Tapshak Inuwa (talk) 00:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{reply|Gweskada Tapshak Inuwa}} Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You can find information about writing your first article here, but I want you to understand that writing an article from scratch is a difficult endeavor and requires in-depth knowledge about several relevant policies and guidelines. Articles have to be about a subject that is notable, based on significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, and be written from a neutral point-of-view. There are also additional and more stringent requirements for biographies about living people. The best way to learn about these relevant policies and guidelines is not by merely reading them, but by editing articles that have already been written. So I would recommend against starting your editing here by writing an article until you gain experience with working with articles that are already on Wikipedia. You can get more information on how to help here. cyberdog958^Talk 01:05, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{U|Gweskada Tapshak Inuwa}}, please reconsider [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ngas_language&diff=1291071369&oldid=1268042244 this pair of your edits]. I presume that they were well intended, but (i) they're only very tenuously related to the subject of the article (Ngas language) and (ii) they're unreferenced. Above, {{U|Cyberdog958}} has excellent advice for you. -- Hoary (talk) 06:45, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::@User:Cyberdog958 (talk) 17:17, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

I noticed the article List of religious slurs and I’m unsure if it fits Wikipedia’s standards. Many of the terms listed are unsourced or lack evidence of notability, and the page seems like an indiscriminate collection.

I think only widely known or globally recognized terms with strong reliable sources should remain, but as it stands now, the list looks questionable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ইমরান ভূইয়া (talk • contribs) 01:55, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::{{u|ইমরান ভূইয়া}}, there is no requirement that list entries be {{tpq|widely known or globally recognized}} to be included on a list. The list article has 150 references. The best course of action is to evaluate each unreferenced entry one by one, and try to find a reliable source verifying that particular slur, and add it. If you cannot find a source after a good faith search, then remove that entry, explaining why in your edit summary. Cullen328 (talk) 02:22, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

There are numerous pages with notes saying, "citation needed." When I do a web search, I find sources that contradict what is said on the page, but nothing that could supply a footnote to support it. Should I delete and rewrite the entire section based on the sources I am able to find?Julian in LA (talk) 02:46, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Julian in LA, if you find reliable sources that contradict what's written (without a reference) in an article, do please rewrite the article accordingly, of course citing the reliable source(s) as you do so. -- Hoary (talk) 04:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:That reliable sources part is a good distinction, because some sources may contradict what is said on the page but if the source is a blog or something, there's no authority to what's being said. You'll get better at it the more you do these. If you're not hung up on one specific article and just wanna practice the citation hunt tool has been a good way to start looking at how to find and replace sources for random articles. Lmtdarius87 (talk) 22:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello,

Unless I’m mistaken, :Category:Wikipedia fully protected pages purports to be a list of pages that have been granted WP:FULL. Many of the articles this category links to are nowhere near that designation. In fact, the first entry (a redirect, admittedly) doesn’t appear to be protected at all. I’m not very experienced, so it’s likely that I just fell for it/am stupid, but on the off chance that it’s something that should actually be maintained, I thought it best to bring it to the attention of more knowledgeable people. TJS808 (talk) 03:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:For the first entry in that list [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*NSYNC?redirect=no], it actually is fully protected. The target article isn't, but the redirect that automatically sends you to that target article is protected. Even redirects are articles, and they can be vandalized like any other.

:In fact, most articles on that list are actually just redirects! The article they point to is just a regular article that probably isn't fully protected, but the hidden redirect itself is, usually to prevent subtle vandalism. Cheers. LR.127 (talk) 05:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::... although, I have no idea why they aren't in :Category:Wikipedia fully protected redirects. LR.127 (talk) 06:00, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:::{{ping|TJS808}} Redirects are in italics on category pages. After clicking a redirect like *NSYNC, click "(Redirected from *NSYNC)" at top of the page to get to the redirect page. {{ping|LR.127}} Some of the pages are sorted differently in different categories. If you see a redirect which is really missing from the redirect category then post it. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:44, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

If i get any stuff sorted out then do i sort out Kim? 41.193.223.238 (talk) 08:45, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:This is a venue for questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have such a question? Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Can Joshua Project be used as an reliable source in Wikipedia? Densmartasvensken (talk) 08:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:I infer from Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_361#RfC:_Joshua_Project that the simple answer is no; for more information read up on what's written about this website in the archives of WP:RSN, and if something is still unclear then open a new discussion thread at WP:RSN. -- Hoary (talk) 09:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Can i be a petroleum geology by studying geology Jonathan excel ikenna (talk) 09:16, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello and welcome. This page is to ask questions about using Wikipedia. Do you have a question about using Wikipedia? 331dot (talk) 09:23, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:You might want to clarify your question and go to the reference desk instead. GoldRomean (talk) 19:16, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

{{courtesy link|User:Adjiemada/sandbox}}

I would like to submit this page as a draft article to be reviewed by Wikipedia editors. The article discusses a professional pharmacist organization called Farmasis Indonesia Bersatu (FIB) and has been carefully written with reliable references. I kindly request assistance for the review process so that the article can be considered for publication in the main article space. Adjiemada (talk) 10:52, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Adjiemada}} That sandbox does not exist on here, the English-language Wikipedia. You have asked elsewhere about "Pengguna:Adjiemada/Bak pasir", which exists as :id:Pengguna:Adjiemada/Bak pasir on the Indonesian-language Wikipedia. Each Wikipedia is managed independently of each other. You will need to ask on :id:Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Lain-lain). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:06, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello,

One of my clients needs their articles published on Wikipedia. How can I go about it? The article is ready. Its a personal page about on a doctor. SimFerns (talk) 11:06, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{Ping|SimFerns}} Which page? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:08, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @SimFerns, and welcome to the Teahouse.

:I'm afraid that your client's needs are of no interest to Wikipedia.

:If your client meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then there could be an article about them: the article would not belong to them, would not be controlled by them, would not necessarily say what they wanted it to say, and as far as Wikipedia is concerned, would not be in any way for their benefit. Please read, and show them, WP:BOSS

:If they meet those criteria, then you are permitted to create a draft, and submit it for review. You must first make a formal declaration of your status as paid editor - this is mandatory.

:Then you would need to understand the very singular approach to writing articles that Wikipedia takes. {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}

:Unless the article you have was written by somebody who already has that understanding of how Wikipedia works, it is unlikely to be of much use to you, as it is probably to a considerable extent based on what your client or their associates say, or want to say: a Wikipedia article should be mostly based on what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications: see golden rule. ColinFine (talk) 11:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello again, @SimFerns: I've just realised that I may have made a wrong assumption: you don't say that the articles are to be about your client. If they are not, then not all I have said applied; but most of it still does. ColinFine (talk) 11:21, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

In the guidelines on fiction there are instructions on summarising books, movies etc. but what about when said work was originally made in a foreign language? What then? How do we translate the terminology? If there are translations, do we pick one at random, or must we additionally verify that said translation is somewhat canonical or enshrined in the "scientific consensus" that the Wikipedia must envision? What are the guidelines on that? Dankowski (talk) 11:46, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Dankowski, I possess a copy of The White Guard and a copy of White Guard, both being translations of Белая гвардия, written in a language I unfortunately cannot read. The choice between the translations isn't obvious to me; if I wondered which to depend on and refer to in an effort to augment the somewhat sparse article, I'd ask on Talk:The White Guard. -- Hoary (talk) 12:13, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::There is some guidance at MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE, including its footnote "p". Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:37, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

How do I cite book sales when the only reference I have is not public but is a sales statement emailed to me from the publisher? StephenMM3 (talk) 19:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, you can't. We need an independent, published source. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::Publishers tend not to publish that info. I have one that just hit a million copies sold. That comes with a Platinum Award for that mile marker. 2 questions: Do the W editors have access to pub numbers to confirm that number? If not, would the url of the Agent's list of author awards provide enough evidence? He lists the awards and sales numbers together. Thanks. StephenMM3 (talk) 01:53, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi Wiki Team! I am trying to move CurationsLA to a Draft Page per Wikipedia guidelines. I have disclosed that this is a source close to me, but I received an error when trying to move the Draft Page. I am led to believe that I have incorporated the most appropriate Wikipedia code to submit the article for approval. However, I believe that this approval is only triggered when moving to a Draft Page. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated, and thank you all for keeping Wikipedia a trusted source. For Good Vibes - Wyatt Curations (talk) 21:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Curations, I moved it from your "sandbox" to Draft:CurationsLA. I sleepily/stupidly assumed that this would not be problematic; but as soon as I'd made the move I realized (actually, I was told) that CurationsLA already existed. I've done no more than glance at either Draft:CurationsLA or CurationsLA. Please (i) decide which of the pair is better (let's call this "A"), (ii) pillage the other one ("B") for anything that A lacks and paste this material into A, (iii) blank B (by which I mean: Set out to edit B, remove all its content, and save the result), and (iv) announce here that you've done this. -- Hoary (talk) 21:37, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you, I am making the appropriate edits now - I hope! Sorry for the nuanced approach, I want to ensure that the CurationsLA page meets Wikipedia standards. Curations (talk) 21:38, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Hello, @Curations. Please note that a Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people, wholly unconnected with the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, and very little else.

:::{{HD/WINI}} ColinFine (talk) 21:51, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you, @User:ColinFine (talk) 21:55, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::You didn't blank the article, Curations, but you did say [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACurations&diff=1294965274&oldid=1294964428 that it could be deleted]; I therefore deleted it. -- Hoary (talk) 01:18, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Who is Albert Einstein 108.202.99.110 (talk) 21:28, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Take a look at his page --cheesewhisk3rs (pester) 21:29, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

What does it mean if an edit is double crossed out? 2601:600:9001:7DD0:BD94:C746:6B9E:A375 (talk) 23:03, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It means that no one can view the edit, this is common case of discrimination and many other factors, another editor can possibly go more in-depth about this topic if wanted. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 00:28, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:Specifically, doubly crossed out edits have been suppressed by via Wikipedia:Oversight (which also discusses the singly crossed out revision deletion). Skynxnex (talk) 00:53, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

In this article, we are talking about how to use more polite words in all articles, especially ones relating to sexuality, race, ethnicity and disabilities (etc).

Sexuality

1. The word gay should not be used as a singular, like a black (in the sense of African American). It is often seen as offensive or disrespectful if used. Gay is better to use as a plural, in the phrase of gays and lesbians.
2. The word queer (in the sense gay) is originally used as a strongly disrespectful and inflammatory word. From now this meaning is often used as a positive way, especially when used as a self-reference, but the use by others may be considered as offensive due to its older meanings ‘strange, quirky’ has negative connotations. Reclaimed words are generally considered offensive when used by outsiders. It is better to avoid using this meaning of the word by outsiders, especially in the UK.
3. The word transvestite dates from the early 20th century. Although it is neutral in the past, it is now often considered offensive, especially when used in transsexual contexts. It is better to use cross-dresser instead.

Race & Ethnicity

1. Often avoid words that are strongly associated with colonialism, such as oriental (in the sense of Asian) and Asiatic (only used in biological names, do not use it to describe people).
2. It is better to avoid using the word black as a noun because it may be considered as offensive if used. Use black person or black people to replace a black and the blacks.
3. White should be usually used as a plural. See usage at gay when used in the singular form.
4. Do not use ethnic slurs.

Disabilities

1. Do not use these words to describe mental illness, here’s the list: mad, crazy, insane (only in law, not used in medicine), loony, maniac, schizo, nuts, psycho)
2. Do not use suffer from and victim of do describe chronic illnesses and disabilities. Only use it in reference to natural disasters.
3. Do not use words that are now generally considered offensive to describe learning disability, avoid using mental retardation, mental handicap, mental deficiency (although this term is not always offensive, it may cause offence if used).

If you see these terms in any Wikipedia articles, we will change it soon. MarcoToa1 (talk) 00:22, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:Also sometimes avoid using adjectives following with the: such as the deaf, the blind, and the disabled etc. MarcoToa1 (talk) 00:27, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:From my point of view, the wording is clear-cut and not open to interpretation. I don’t see any reason for an explanatory thread about what might need changing based on the terms or phrasing used across different articles... Zryk (talk) 00:30, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Are we free to use the gadgets as we please? I’ve come across a few things — still doing some digging — that seem to allow actions within articles, though I’m not sure if that’s part of the standard editing features. My question’s a bit muddled, I know, but I reckon you get the gist. I’ve already switched my screen to dark mode, and now I’m exploring a few settings to see if there’s anything interesting to play around with. Zryk (talk) 00:25, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, if we see these terms in any articles, we will change it soon. MarcoToa1 (talk) 00:28, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::I'm barely confused of what you saying. Which terms? Zryk (talk) 02:03, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:MarcoToa1, you start: "In this article, we...." In which article? Who are "we"? And here, in the Teahouse, do you have some question? -- Hoary (talk) 01:09, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::Note that since opening this, the editor has begun altering the wording of articles to fit their own sense of what's "appropriate". Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 01:28, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Oh no. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 03:43, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::While I don't deny guidelines like this could be important, I'm certainly curious what article or people the opening line refers to. And doesn't something like this belong either on an actual namespace guideline page or as a user essay? TheDowningStreetCat (talk) 04:23, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Why can the Talk Pages not have pending changes protection on them? 76.68.113.121 (talk) 01:40, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:Because talk pages are user related and used by other editors to communicate with the user regarding varities of things and subjects. If you will put protection on it, not just it will cause hinderance but will not make any sense. Page protections are used in main pages such as article pages and guidelines to suppress vandalism, talk pages do not need such protection. If this is about you getting any kind of messages you don't want, maybe you can contact helpdesk. Wh67890 (talk) 03:19, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::In cases of severe, ongoing disruption, administrators may protect article talk pages but this is infrequent. {{u|Wh67890}} is correct that article talk pages are intended for anyone to make good faith suggestions for improving the article, and protection interferes with that process. Cullen328 (talk) 04:59, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Due to technical limitations, talk-pages can't actually be pending-changes protected...it's either semi-protection and upwards, or nothing. Lectonar (talk) 06:44, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, my submission got declined again for not enough reliable sources. I put every source I could find on Roselilah in the citations, but it still got declined. Can somebody please help me? AmberHeij (talk) 06:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)