Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 June 5#NFL Team Years

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{{t1|s-line}} templates for the Nuremberg U-Bahn. Replaced by Module:Adjacent stations/Nuremberg U-Bahn. All transclusions replaced. There are 9 dependent s-line data modules that should also be deleted. Mackensen (talk) 23:19, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

• Support, per nom. AlgaeGraphix (talk) 15:59, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

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• {{Tfd links|2014–15 NBA Central standings (preseason)}}
• {{Tfd links|2014–15 NBA East standings (preseason)}}

Preseason is nowhere notable for having its own templates. Preseason standings are not official in any capacity. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:28, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was keep. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 13:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

• {{Tfd links|Spaced en dash}}

This is more trouble than it's worth, and is heavily over-used in place of e.g. colons, or literally any other construction that doesn't require at least two levels of expert-level Wikipedia experience (the deeply idiosyncratic house dash style, and inline templates).

it's been twenty years. Everyone has access to an editing toolbox that puts the right thing in. Let's kill off some curly brackets (which despite the talk page telling me are used by 70k+ pages are extremely localised to its adopters).

Obviously the resolution will be subst+delete, and asking people not to create macros which require 10x the cognitive burden to just hitting the toolbar button. 0% of this template's users are incapable of that. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 20:50, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

• Snow keep per all the arguments that were presented in a similar discussion at {{Section link|Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style|Proposal: replace usage of template character combinations such as %7B%7Bndash%7D%7D with "what you see if what you get" such as "–"}}. Looking at the amount of opposition there, this proposal has zero chance of getting through. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 22:03, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
• Keep for convenience, though automatic substitution in mainspace could be a possibility. Elli (talk | contribs) 05:11, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
• Keep as much as I really, really dislike having to learn about long and short hyphens to edit peacefully here, I like even less the incomprehensible text that is placed in articles to do this, which from memory is like nsdbp. Having a template to do this at least uses an English language term to describe what is being written so that the ignorant like myself can use google to work out what is being done, as I suspect 99.9999% of the English speaking world will have no idea what a spaced em dash means.Tom (LT) (talk) 06:51, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
• Keep per Elli. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:29, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

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• {{Tfd links|1993–94 Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|1994–95 Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|1995-96 Southwest conference men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|1995–96 MEAC men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|1997–98 MEAC men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|1998–99 MEAC men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|1999–2000 MEAC men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2001–02 MEAC men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2002–03 MEAC men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2003–04 MEAC men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2020–21 Ivy League men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 America East Conference men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 Atlantic Sun men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 Atlantic Sun women's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 Big Sky men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 Big South men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 Big South women's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 Big West men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 Horizon League men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 Horizon League women's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 MAAC men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 MEAC men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 Missouri Valley Conference men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 Missouri Valley Conference women's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 Ohio Valley Conference men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 SEC women's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 Southland Conference women's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 Summit League women's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 WAC men's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 WAC women's basketball standings}}
• {{Tfd links|2021–22 West Coast Conference women's basketball standings}}

All unnecessary to have for respective seasons. The majority are red-linked to pages that don't exist or not red-linked but titles of templates are in bold. Not helpful for navigation or for any other purpose. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:38, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

• Speed Keep all. The "2021–22 *" templates are already inline and commented out at 2021–22 NCAA Division I men's basketball season#Conference standings and 2021–22 NCAA Division I women's basketball season#Conference standings, pending additional CBB team article creation over the next 3 months. For example, see last year's 2020–21 season as a usage/render example of same. Note, this is their most recent TfD of "unnecessary" templates where the templates have both a clear purpose and a historical precedent of use. I suggest the nom slow down. UW Dawgs (talk) 03:30, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
• Keep per UW Dawgs. The articles to which the templates link will be created later this year prior to the 2021-22 NCAA Division I basketball season. Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 04:46, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 13:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

• {{Tfd links|1989–90 French Division 1 table}}

Unused. Not sure what tournament or event this is supposed to be for. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:20, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

• Delete the event for this template is 1989–90 French Division 1, but that article is using a table rather than this template anyway. So template not needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:28, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 18:51, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 June 13. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 13:10, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

• {{tfd links|Arabian_Gulf_Cup_Champions}}

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• {{Tfd links|ReferencesList}}
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• {{Tfd links|SourcesNotesReferencesList}}

Introduce an unnecessary and non-standard format for a {{reflist}} and {{notelist}} respectively. These don't seem like an improvement. Laplorfill (talk) 16:35, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

• Delete all per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:55, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
• Delete all are unnecessary Run n Fly (talk) 17:27, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: that template was created just today. Maybe give it some time instead of biting the newcomers? ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 22:21, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
• Delete. I actually feel the opposite of Jochem here. If we give it time, this might be used and it shouldn't. We have enough problems with current existing styles and we shouldn't allow new ones which will just make this even more difficult to follow. There are many other places a new user can help out. Creating these templates, isn't one of them. Gonnym (talk) 11:04, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

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• {{Tfd links|2020-21 BBL Match 1}}
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• {{Tfd links|2020-21 BBL Match 18}}
• {{Tfd links|2020-21 BBL Match 19}}
• {{Tfd links|2020-21 BBL Match 20}}
• {{Tfd links|2020-21 BBL Match 21}}

Scorecards of games between two teams in the BBL League should not be on separate templates. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:22, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

• Subst and delete all these are not needed, as each scorecard is used a small number of times. These templates are a persistent pain as they make articles more difficult to edit, as you have to go to the article, find the template name, go to the template, and then edit it. I know other cricket articles use templates for individual matches, but they shouldn't do. Consider this vote an approval for the deletion of any individual match cricket templates, as their deletion is way overdue in my opinion. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:34, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

:* Note: there's nothing to subst, as they aren't being used (as :2020–21 Big Bash League season has the scorecards in the article rather than via template). Joseph2302 (talk) 21:14, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

• Delete - and I'd agree that in almost every case the same should happen with other match templates. Frankly we should have much less match information in place anyway outside of major international cricket. Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:50, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete almost all, but no consensus for the winners template. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 13:15, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

• {{Tfd links|UEFA Women's Championship finalists template}}
• {{Tfd links|UEFA Women's Championship winners}}
• {{Tfd links|1984 European Competition for Women's Football finalists}}
• {{Tfd links|1987 European Competition for Women's Football finalists}}
• {{Tfd links|1989 European Competition for Women's Football finalists}}
• {{Tfd links|UEFA Women's Euro 1991 finalists}}
• {{Tfd links|UEFA Women's Euro 1993 finalists}}
• {{Tfd links|UEFA Women's Euro 1995 finalists}}
• {{Tfd links|UEFA Women's Euro 1997 finalists}}
• {{Tfd links|UEFA Women's Euro 2001 finalists}}
• {{Tfd links|UEFA Women's Euro 2005 finalists}}
• {{Tfd links|UEFA Women's Euro 2009 finalists}}
• {{Tfd links|UEFA Women's Euro 2013 finalists}}
• {{Tfd links|UEFA Women's Euro 2017 finalists}}

Not linked anywhere except to each of the templates' mainspace. Only links in the template are to the nation's national women's football teams. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:07, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

:{{reply|WikiCleanerMan}} Your nominating rationale is factually incorrect with regards to Template:UEFA Women's Championship winners. Seany91 (talk) 09:43, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

• Delete all not useful templates, as there's only two teams in a final, so should only ever have two links. Some of these templates do include semi-finalists (which makes no sense), but they are not at all useful for navigation. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:37, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
• Delete all except Template:UEFA Women's Championship winners: all information here are overly detailed and the only ones necessary are Template:UEFA Women's Championship and Template:UEFA Women's Championship winners. Seany91 (talk) 09:39, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

::Seany91, what the one template you are voting to keep does nothing except link to the respective national women's team articles. The majority of wins are by the German team including the old West German team, with the second most being Norway. All this template has is fluff. And is superseded by Template:UEFA Women's Championship. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:31, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

::: ...which is exactly what templates such as these are meant to do: for navigation purposes and are linked in the respective national women's team articles. Also see Template:FIFA World Cup champions, Template:UEFA European Championship winners, Template:FIFA Women's World Cup Winners, etc. One team has a good record in the same competition is not a valid rationale for deletion. Seany91 (talk) 18:47, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

::: You also erroneously stated that the templates are not used anywhere. The one with winners clearly is used. Seany91 (talk) 18:48, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

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• Delete all per nom, apart from the one listed by Seany91. GiantSnowman 18:50, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
• I don't have a strong opinion either way. But I do not see why Euro finalists templates should be deleted and World cup finalists templates not. The World cup is a more important tournament than the Euro's but not by a big margin. I think that American wikipedians fail to see the impact the Euro's has on the old continent. So in short: Either keep them both or delete them both gets my vote! Dutchy45 (talk) 19:34, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was keep. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 13:18, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

• {{Tfd links|Cardinals NFL season}}
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• {{Tfd links|Titans season}}
• {{Tfd links|Toilers season}}
• {{Tfd links|Oilers season}}
• {{Tfd links|Washington Football Team season}}
• {{Tfd links|Redskins season}}

Template:NFL Year supersedes and fulfills the purpose of each of these templates. There is no need for each team to have its own team year templates. Especially for teams that no longer exist. No other templates are used for the other major American sports leagues for their respective teams. And a majority of these are unused and the ones that are used can be replaced by NFL Year. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:40, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

: Delete per nom. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:07, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

: Keep; NFL Year template redirects to the entire league's season, not further specific information about that team's individual season that some users may be looking for.Claystripe (talk) 17:46, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

::If you take a look at the pages of MLB, NBA players, for example, in their infobox it links to the MLB Year, NBA year templates for the respective seasons of their career. Having a year template for every team is too much. Even for teams or reiterations of teams that no longer exist, like the Montreal Expos or Flordia Marlins. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:19, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

: Speedy Keep. The stated rationale is misleading as the NFL template and 39 NFL team templates are unrelated in design and purpose. {{NFL Year|1960}} creates "{{NFL Year|1960}}" where the "1960" year links to :1960 NFL season. However, {{Cowboys season|1960}} creates "DAL" where the "DAL" abbreviation links to :1960 Dallas Cowboys season

: See :Tom Landry#Head-coaching record or :Tom Flores#Head coaching record as examples of a career stats data table which can pair both templates to render year links and team links exactly as intended. UW Dawgs (talk) 05:00, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

: Keep per {{U|UW Dawgs}}. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:29, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

: Keep per above. Seahawks4Life^{TALK—CONTRIBS} 14:36, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

: Keep as per the explanation by {{U|UW Dawgs}}, they are clearly not a duplicated/superceded. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:52, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 13:18, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

• {{Tfd links|1980–81 Denver Nuggets roster}}
• {{Tfd links|1980–81 Kansas City Kings roster}}
• {{Tfd links|1980–81 New Jersey Nets roster}}
• {{Tfd links|1980–81 Philadelphia 76ers roster}}

All the roster information is already transcluded on the respective 1980–81 season pages for the four teams. There is no need for each team to have their separate roster template for any season unless they won the championship. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:52, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was keep. There is consensus to keep the template. High use was cited by some editors in the discussion. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 02:59, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

• {{Tfd links|Uw-thumb1}}

This is following the discussion on May 27 regarding Uw-thumb2 where it's barely used and a warning notice over thumbnails in infoboxes seems ridiculous. And Uw-thumb3 and Uw-thumb4 have been deleted with a similar consensus over why anyone would be blocked or warned over something like this. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

• delete per nomination and my comments on the article's talk page. CapitalSasha ~ talk 01:46, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
• Delete - no prejudice against recreating as a single-issue notice. Schierbecker (talk) 04:55, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: is this a common mistake that new users make? If it is then a template message is helpful. Not all user talk template message have to be about vandalism; there's also ones about creating articles without categories, or using DISPLAYTITLE incorrectly; see WP:WARN#single. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 14:12, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

::I doubt it. Because given the lack of the template's usage, it isn't an overwheleming concern when it comes to editing. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:43, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

:::Are you aware that this is a substed template so the lack of transclusions is not evidence of lack of use? User:GKFX^talk 22:47, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

::::I'm aware of that. However, a notice about such a thing doesn't seem to be on par with a warning about vandalism or edits without sources. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:07, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

:Keep: this message, or something like it, has been [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikipedia:INFOBOXIMAGE&namespace=3&limit=5000 used 3000+ times]. It seems useful and clear, and evidently this is a routine error. The tone is reasonably friendly, it’s more of a how-to guide than a warning. User:GKFX^talk 22:42, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

• Comment {{tl|uw-thumb1}} is incompatible with {{tl|uw-thumb}} ; they are a bout different thumbnail uses that are bad. Clearly something is wrong here. -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 03:51, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
• Keep, possibly rename per the IP above, but this is a useful warning to have. Elli (talk | contribs) 05:17, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
• Keep: While I agree it's not something a user should be blocked for, we should still keep it since we have many other templates about editing tips like these—some of which [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22Greetings%21+It+appears+that+you+have+been+directly+adding+stub+categories+to+articles.%22&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns10=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns108=1&ns109=1&ns11=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns2=1&ns2300=1&ns2301=1&ns2302=1&ns2303=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns446=1&ns447=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns8=1&ns828=1&ns829=1&ns9=1 are only used a few times]—but we still keep them. This template, however, gets around [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22I+noticed+that+when+you+added+the+image+to+the+infobox%2C+you+added+it+as+a+thumbnail.%22&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns3=1 2,200 results]. Coolperson177 (talk) 13:50, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
• Keep (I also commented above). As others pointed out this is not a rarely used template, and template mesages don't have to be only about vandalism. I do think though that {{T|uw-thumb}} should be renamed since it's confusing to have two different template messages with almost identical names (but that'd probably have to be its own TfD). ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 21:43, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

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