Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 February 22#Template:Local file

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The result of the discussion was Merge * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:58, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

• {{Tfd links|Local file|module= |type=merge}}
• {{Tfd links|Keep local|module= |type=merge}}

Propose merging Template:Local file with Template:Keep local.

These seem to fit the same use-case, and the wordings are nearly identical. The only difference seems to be the rarely-used {{tl|Local file}} "file may or may not be available on Wikimedia Commons" vs the widely-used {{tl|Keep local}} "file may be..." (underlined words omitted). Doesn't the word "may" simply state a possibility (and therefore the opposite is also possible), as opposed to the definitely-true word "is"? DMacks (talk) 22:21, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:If they are both to be kept, then Local file needs specific documentation of its independent use-case, and I would also propose that it be renamed to clarify the difference. DMacks (talk) 06:18, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

:DMacks, I created it IIRC because I couldn't suppress the file link in {{tl|Keep local}}. As the files didn't exist on Commons when I used the tag, I found it confusing to have the template link a non-existent file. Or worse, someone might upload a different file to Commons in the future with the same filename.
It seemed easier to just create a new template, but the functionality can indeed be merged. In {{tl|Keep local/sandbox}} there's now a version that accepts "unknown" as the first parameter to suppress the file link and change the wording. Would you find that acceptable? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 06:32, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

::Definitely no objection to a flag to change behavior if there really is a desired behavior variant. They seem so close, with minor wording differences that seem to have the same meaning to obscure what might be an actual difference of behavior. Doesn't what you want require manually keeping track of whether something of that name gets added or deleted on commons? The whole situation that someone might upload a different file to commons is an intractible result of having any local file, made possibly even more likely when the subject is one that does have free files (therefore made worse by keep-local of free files). It's a shame red-vs-bluelink doesn't work cross-site! I stumbled upon Local file while looking for a function to determine whether a file is local (I think we have threeish variants of that test in different places, so I was also looking for an obvious name to consolidate them). While it's not too hard to test whether a filename exists locally on enwiki, I don't see a way to test whether a filenameq that exists locally on enwiki also exists on commons. DMacks (talk) 06:58, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

:::{{tq|I don't see a way to test whether a filenameq that exists locally on enwiki also exists on commons.}}
To the best of my knowledge that's impossible in wikitext. Red-vs-bluelink not working cross-site is part of the reason I created this template. The blue link couldn't be suppressed, so users would expect to see a copy on Commons when clicking it.
This could maybe be somewhat improved by having the "unknown" parameter I proposed and the creation of a bot that inserts it in files with the template where the link to Commons is dead. In that case it could also adjust the categorization.
This being said: back when I created it, there was this file (:File:Fred Ott Sneeze 1894 remastered.gif / :File:Fred Ott Sneeze 1894 remastered.webm) that I thought I might improve further in the future, but I couldn't maintain it on Commons. As this is no longer an obstacle, I'll remove the template from those files. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 13:51, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

::The template for files that should be kept locally and not moved to commons is {{Esoteric file}}. Does that cover your use case? Chew^{(V • T • E)} 20:43, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:::Chew, not really. The file is useful on other projects. Uploading improved versions of the file (+GIF) on Commons was not an option at the time, so I needed to have the file locally in case someone would copy the file to Commons. But it hadn't been copied to Commons (yet), nor could I do that, nor could I request that. So the file link from {{tl|Keep local}} was inevitably a red link in disguise, which I found very confusing. So I created this new template. The situation has changed since and the template is no longer needed for my files.
Other files using {{tl|Keep local}} with a red link in disguise probably exist, but looking at it now, the template I created is probably not the best way to handle those. So I don't oppose deleting {{tl|Local file}}. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 09:29, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

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:If anything is done, {{tl|keep local}} should be kept and {{tl|local file}} is merged with it. I think we could add a parameter to {{tl|keep local}} to get the behavior {{tl|local file}} is providing and reduce the number of templates for the very similar tasks. I guess this puts me in the Merge bucket for the !vote counters. —Locke Cole • t • c 17:21, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

:Merge per Locke. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:27, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete but feel free to add (or discuss adding) "horse latitudes" to template:geographical coordinates Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 15:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• {{Tfd links|Horse latitudes coordinates}}

The navbox is only used on one page (Horse latitudes). The usefulness of this navbox since its creation in 2012 is questionable to where I don't think it can be merged to the horse latitudes article. – The Grid (talk) 14:41, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

:Keep. These articles on latitudes usually show {{tl|geographical coordinates}}. For the Horse latitudes, that template doesn’t show the article topic, so I made a special derivative template. What does the nom propose? To go back to the general template, or drop it completely? Their proposal doesn’t seem thought through. SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:08, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. Just transclude the image on the article. Navboxes shouldn't be used for the sole purpose of just to transclude an image. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:04, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
• :Should, or shouldn’t?
• :So, is {{tl|geographical coordinates}} similarly an improper Nav template? SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:59, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
• ::I meant shouldn't. But yes, this template also violates navbox transclusion. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:20, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

:Delete The lead section and image are already clear enough. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:00, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

::So, should {{tl|geographical coordinates}} be removed from other latitudes articles? SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:05, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

:::I don't know what that has to do with this discussion except making a weak WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. – The Grid (talk) 15:55, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

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• merge with {{tl|geographical coordinates}} to optionally show Horse latitudes or delete, also the labels are almost completely unreadable with blue on blue. Frietjes (talk) 22:24, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:26, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

• {{Tfd links|Editnotices/Page/Talk:One Direction}}

I believe this template is no longer required because all 5 members of One Direction are now in the 'Past Members' section. MadGuy7023 (talk) 17:51, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Four months ago I would have agreed; but the death of Liam Payne in October 2024 led to a flurry of edit-warring about who was a past member and who wasn't. I'm not entirely sure that it's stable again. See Talk:One Direction and Talk:One Direction/Archive 4#Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2024 to the end of the page. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:08, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:23, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

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:* Delete per nom. / RemoveRedSky ^{[talk] [gb]} 15:09, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2025 March 2. (non-admin closure) it's lio! | talk | work 06:54, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

• {{tfd links|Conservatism_in_Formosa}}

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:29, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

• {{Tfd links|2023 GAA Rising Stars Hurling Team}}

No idea where this team is coming from. No own article, no mention in the article about the Fitzgibbon Cup. The Banner talk 03:04, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:19, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

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