Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 134#External link icons proposal
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Article assessment links STILL not working
These links have been broken about 50% of the time for the past 6 months or so, it is very frustrating. I refer to the links on this table here: :Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anatomy#Article_assessment_statistics. Is it possible to file a bug report or change the links to a tool that works? Cheers, --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:13, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
:Day 3 and still not working. Tool is "enwp10". Example link is [https://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yes&projecta=Anatomy&quality=Template-Class]. --Tom (LT) (talk) 20:59, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
::If you urgently need some lists, [http://tools.wmflabs.org/catscan2/catscan2.php Catscan 2 on WMFlabs] can provide similar results. Just search for the needed category and check the correct page type in "Namespaces" (usually the talk page). A pre-defined example query for Anatomy templates would be "
{{ping|CBM}} ^^ (as the only obviously active maintainer listed at https://tools.wmflabs.org/ :-) --Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 01:04, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
:I was logged in for other reasons and noticed this message. I am no longer a maintainer. I have requested to have my name removed from the list - I think that a cached version is being shown. I can say that the wp10 project could use one or more additional maintainers, but I cannot do it at this time. — Carl (CBM · talk) 01:35, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
:Project has been restarted and works again (thanks Theopolisme). See also Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index with some information about that project and recent requests and questions. GermanJoe (talk) 13:41, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:+1 confirmed results are now available. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 14:46, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Search Reverts
Is there a way to contributions search an editor's history of "undo" reverts?
If not, is there any possibility of implementing a tag, or preferably and easier a checkbox, that would filter the contribution list to show all the "undo" reverts implemented by an editor?
It appears that "tags" has "Rapid reverts" as an option, but when I put the option in the tags field, it doesn't work for registered editors (as indicated by the description "Non-autoconfirmed user rapidly reverting edits") –GodBlessYou2 (talk) 21:33, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
:You can use the "Edit summary search" tool at the bottom of their contribs page, and search for "undid" or "reverted". There's really not a better way to do it, since revisions don't contain any other indication of whether or not they're a revert. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:44, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks. That's very helpful.GodBlessYou2 (talk) 22:02, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
:::I've checked this tool out for a number of editors who frequently do a total revert of other's edits. For some, what you suggest works fine. Some editors, however, delete the autogenerated comment line, replacing it with some other explanation, or even nothing useful for recognizing it as a revert.
:::As a diagnostic and evaluation tool, I think it would be helpful to be able to develop metrics on editors who have a tendency to "protect" articles with rapid deletions instead of working to refine articles collaboratively. Being able to identify how frequently editors revert without refinement would be a helpful tool. I'm sure there are plenty of reasons not to add an extra field to the database, but it would be helpful if there was an automated log showing that an edit completely reverted the previous edit. This would be helpful in being able to review the "revert" activity of specific editors for discussions regarding whether or not their pattern of reverts are generally helpful or generally disruptive or may indicate a tendency to WP:OWN an article.—GodBlessYou2 (talk) 22:18, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
::::If you use the "undo" link on a single edit, the default edit summary is "Undid revision nnnn by
:::::Interesting. A record of a reverting multiple edits should also be logged. Couldn't the database record that the "undo" link was used to initiate the edit and save a tag in the tag field (or some other field) indicating it was initiated as an "undo" when the edit is saved?–GodBlessYou2 (talk) 15:31, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
:GodBlessYou2, why would you want to do that? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:36, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
::Well, Whatamidoing, I think it would be helpful to view a list of reverts made for many reasons, especially in cases where editors may have a pattern of rapidly reverting goodfaith edits rather than practicing WP:PRESERVE methods. It may also be useful in arbitration to be able to more easily see the pattern of reverts. Outside Wikipedia, other wiki's might benefit from being able to see reverts, too.--GodBlessYou2 (talk) 21:38, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Font-weight or '
If I'm writing a template, what would be better from technical point of view? Using {{code|
:For now wiki markup is better, because it could be rendered differently, e.g., for mobile devices not supporting CSS. –Be..anyone (talk) 17:02, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
::That is a stretch. I would prefer CSS because it prevents reversing the bold wiki markup, ie. when text is already bold, it stays bold. -- User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 17:21, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Unless purely decorative,
::::
:::::Yes, [http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/text-level-semantics.html#the-strong-element the strong element] "represents strong importance, seriousness, or urgency for its contents", whereas [http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/text-level-semantics.html#the-b-element the b element] "represents a span of text to which attention is being drawn for utilitarian purposes without conveying any extra importance and with no implication of an alternate voice or mood". The first is semantic; the second is merely presentational. As for [http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/text-level-semantics.html#the-span-element the span element], it "doesn't mean anything on its own", and relies on CSS styling to achieve a change of appearance, but cannot give a semantic meaning. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:10, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
XTools moved to Labs?
For those of us who still have User:Hedonil/common.js in our script .js, clicking on "See Full statistics" at the top of any article now flips to this: "301 Moved Permanently This tool has moved to a new location. You will be redirected to tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-articleinfo/index.php?pageid=27092849&project=en.wikipedia.org&uselang=en shortly."
And then it hangs in a loop forever and never really redirects to anything.
However, I do notice that Labs has all the XTools listed there. The problem is that the redirect doesn't really redirect. Can anyone please either correct that, or supply a new script to substitute for Hedonil's old one. Thanks. — Maile (talk) 00:10, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- That's because the maintainers agreed that we should segregate the /ec and /articleinfo tools into there own webservice to improve overall stability since they were the top two most likely culprits for locking the whole thing up. If it is getting stuck there, then articleinfo itself is locked up and you just need to ping one of the maintainers ({{Noping|Cyberpower678|Technical 13|MusikAnimal}}) and one of us will restart it (I just restarted it now, FTR). :) —
{{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c)00:32, 27 January 2015 (UTC) - This also means we found the tool causing xTools' entire instability.—cyberpowerChat:Online 00:37, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks, both of you. It is indeed getting stuck at Labs, because when I try to open the Page History tool directly from Labs, that's the one that hangs. Thank you for trying to restart it, but it still does not seem to be working. Still getting that message, either from the article or directly at Labs. — Maile (talk) 00:42, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::* {{U|Maile66}}, I'm not sure what you have going on, it's working perfectly for me. {{Wim|ua}} please? — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 00:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::*{{u|Technical 13}}, Mozilla, Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:35.0, 5.0, Gecko 20100101, Firefox 35.0. OK, its really strange. As of this morning, progress. After I get the above message, it stalls a few seconds and then, the full page read out that always used to show. However...when I scroll down that to "Page views", the only thing there is a "bla" link. I click on that, and I get "Again something is messed up after Tool Labs database maintenance Sorry for that!No db-connection-" with an image that resembles a test pattern. So, therein, we are back to the original problem that has existed since Hedonil stopped editing. What happened to the daily page views? — Maile (talk) 13:31, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::*:I'm pestering Coren to give me access to that tool to restore functionality. I pestered him today, but nothing.—cyberpowerChat:Online 00:14, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:::*::Today's part of "Tech Days" for the WMF dev staff, so he may be busy with event-related things right now. Things should mostly be back to normal by next week. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:08, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Navigation popups style change
This is to let everyone know that I have fulfilled the edit request at Wikipedia talk:Tools/Navigation popups#Style enhancements similar to Hovercards, which brings the style of navigation popups in line with that of Hovercards. The actual edit was made to the page MediaWiki:Gadget-navpop.css. If anyone would like the style tweaked, or the change reverted altogether, please voice your opinion at the edit request discussion. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 05:28, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:I've reverted, seeing as the first couple of reactions weren't positive. If others could join the discussion about whether/how to tweak the styling, it would be appreciated. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 05:43, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Edit request references
Is there anything that can be done to clean up the references at the bottom of a talk page generated by edit requests {{plainlink|url=//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Lady_Gaga&oldid=644440715#Reliability_of_Popjustice|name=example}}, this can be highly confusing if you don't know why they're there ? Mlpearc (open channel) 19:09, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Mlpearc}} {{diff|Talk:Lady Gaga|prev|644442500|Yes}} --Redrose64 (talk) 19:17, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you (quick response also :P ) Now I have a follow up, is there a way to have {{tl|edit semi-protected}} and similar templates, place that template if it's needed and not present ? Mlpearc (open channel) 19:27, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::It's nothing to do with {{tlx|edit semi-protected}} (or similar). The problem occurs when somebody uses {{tag|ref}} on a page that has no {{tag|references|s}} {{tlx|reflist}} {{tlx|reflist-talk}} or similar on the page at any point after the last {{tag|ref}} that is on the page. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:55, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::* {{U|Mlpearc}}, no because the {{Tl|Edit protected}} template goes at the top of the section and {{Tl|Reflist-talk}} is required to be below the references in order to work. Do you use {{Noping|Jackmcbarn}}'s Edit Protected Helper script? If so, maybe we could convince {{U|Jackmcbarn}} to add a pseudo-reflist inside the edit request template box itself. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 20:10, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::: {{tl|ec}}Thank you again,{{u|Redrose64}}. {{ping|Technical 13}} Yes I do use that script and your suggestion is basically what I was asking (Sorry I didn't realize about the
:::::{{replyto|Technical 13}} It is nothing to do with {{Tl|Edit protected}}, either. The automatic reflist was showing at the bottom of the page, in the "Reliability of Popjustice" section, which has no {{tlx|Edit protected}}. I placed a {{tlx|reflist-talk}} in the "Genres" section, because that is the only section containing {{tag|ref}}; it also has no {{tlx|Edit protected}}. The section between them, "Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2015", does have a {{tlx|edit semi-protected}}, but that is irrelevant because that is neither the section with refs, nor the section where the refs were showing. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::: I guess I got things confused here, Sorry. I only mentioned {{tl|edit semi-protected}} cuz that's when editors usually add the references to the page. Not because I thought the template was causing the issue. Mlpearc (open channel) 20:28, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::* {{U|Redrose64}}, something was misunderstood here. I read the OP as is there a way that {{Tl|Reflist-talk}} can be added to the various {{Tl|Edit protected}} templates so that if there are references in the section below that, the reflist will show up. My answer to that interpretation is no, putting the call to list the references in the template above the references will not work in that way. My response had nothing specifically to do with the templates used. I hope this clarifies what I was saying, although it seems that Mlpearc understood what I was saying. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 20:58, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Mlpearc said "the references at the bottom of a talk page" and gave [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Lady_Gaga&oldid=644440715#Reliability_of_Popjustice a link], I followed that link, looked for the references, and found them exactly where Mlpearc had said they were (at the bottom). I also noticed also that they were not in a section that bore an edit request, and regardless of that, I cleaned up these refs as requested. The link that I gave in my first post shows exactly how I did that. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:27, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::In my "Example" link, I wanted to show that there's no separation between the last section and the reference links. (also the article has nothing to do with the issue, just the example I choose). Mlpearc (open channel) 21:39, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not practical to automatically add a reflist, since it doesn't work if it's above the references, and there's nowhere suitable to add it below them. Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:01, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
502 Bad Gateway
About five minutes ago I got the message "502 Bad Gateway". Does this indicate that my connectivity was lost due to a temporary condition? Robert McClenon (talk) 19:17, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Bot owners' noticeboard#Labs instances reboots and Due to a newly-discovered security vulnerability all labs instances will be rebooted today. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/labs-l/2015-January/003279.html Full details]. —
{{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c)19:26, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::I wasn't running a bot. Does the reboot of lab instances affect connections of regular editors to the servers? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:27, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::* It affects all bots and tools that are hosted on labs. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 23:22, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Preventing user talk pages from being moved
It often happens that a new user writes an article in his main user page and then moves it to the mainspace, taking his user talk page with it. Sometimes the redirect at the original talk page gets over-written with new messages, and the confusion becomes difficult to sort out. Would it be possible to arrange that main user talk pages do not, by default, move with the user page, but can only be moved by an admin? JohnCD (talk) 20:31, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:When you move a page, there is always an option (checked by default) to move the associated talk page. If you move the talk page by mistake, one can tag the redirect page with {{tl|db-a7}} and an admin will delete it. -- User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 20:51, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::Yes, but the sort of inexperience newbie I am talking about doesn't understand that, and as the default is checked, his user talk page goes off into the mainspace with his article and probably gets deleted with it. JohnCD (talk) 21:24, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Template access to Preferences:Appearance:Offset (or local time generated from it)?
I'm doing a template that will show today in both the Western Calendar and the Hebrew Calendar. What I would like to have access to is the Preferences Appearances:Offset value (or something related) in order for the template to change what day it displays for the Western Calendar at Midnight based on the user preferences for offset (and the Hebrew date to change at 6PM). Is the information as to what the user has as their Offset value available to templates? (Asked on Help Desk, the suggestion was to post here)Naraht (talk) 13:53, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
: That is not possible, as it would either show a version of the page cached with someone else's timezone preference or would fragment the caches. To do something like this, you'd have to have some sort of JavaScript (in common.js or a gadget) that would add in the user-specific date on the client side. Anomie⚔ 17:32, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
::I guess that makes sense, everything that the offset affects are pages where they have to be calculated each time in areas like special. However it is possible to have templates that include the date and time, so this would cause a more rapid flush of the cache, correct?Naraht (talk) 15:20, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
::: Yes, they do to an extent. Also the times displayed by such templates may well be out of date. Anomie⚔ 11:09, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Anomie}} And to the extreme, they can include time. Can this cause the cache to empty every second? (I'm curious as to whether there are things in pages that would force the cache to be emptied quicker) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naraht (talk • contribs) 18:47, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
::::: No, there is a minimum. Offhand I think it's one day, but I don't recall for certain and I'm not feeling like looking it up at the moment ;) Anomie⚔ 04:14, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::Accessing an article today the box says "Today Tuesday 27 January 2015 AD 7 Bahman 1393 SH 6 Rabi'al - Thani 1436 AH". The source code is "Today|AD|SH|AH". Actually there are curly brackets round that but I haven't included them because I don't know what will happen. When I tried to insert that template into a page all I got was a link to a U S television programme. Can someone explain how the workings of this template can be unearthed? - The template has just been updated, but I'd still like an answer to my question. 156.61.250.250 (talk) 09:45, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::More info: there is a "Template: Today" marked "This page is about U.S. TV program. It is not to be confused with Date - computing templates based on current time." Clicking on this link leads to "category Date - computing templates based on current time", and clicking on "Template:Today|AD|SH|AH" simply brings up what appears in the article. Now I see this text is editable (from "Editing Template: Today|AD|SH|AH") and the source text contains lots of parameters in curly brackets. Taking one of these at random, "CURRENT DAYNAME" produces the output "Wednesday". So where is the interface which enables editors to check whether a template does what it says on the tin? 156.61.250.250 (talk) 13:04, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The template you're looking for is Template:Today/AD/SH/AH with forward slashes ("/") rather than pipes ("|"). In template syntax, pipes separate a template name from its parameters, so
Renaming of [[User:Zhaofeng Li/Reflinks]]
Hello, folks! Since the the original Reflinks tool is working again on his own server, User:GoingBatty suggests that we use another name for the new tool on Tool Labs. This makes sense, since it's confusing to have two tools with the same name, and the current name doesn't get the purpose of the tool (expanding bare references) across very well. The localised version of the name in Chinese is 来源扩充 (as in "citation expander") which makes its purpose clear. Any idea for a concise name? Zhaofeng Li
:{{ping|Zhaofeng Li}} Bummer - looks like Wikipedia:Citation expander already exists. GoingBatty (talk) 01:23, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
::{{ping|GoingBatty}} True, and it's too long anyway. Zhaofeng Li
:::{{ping|Zhaofeng Li}} "RefMaker" or "CiteMaker" also seem to be taken. Maybe "CiteExpand"? GoingBatty (talk) 01:38, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
::::Perhaps we could have a naming contest on Zhaofeng Li's talk page, or a brainstorming session. I thought of "CiteIt", but that's a commercial product. Could we include all or part of Zhaofeng Li's name, or the English meaning of the characters, in honor of the creator? Any groan-worthy puns, like "AppleCiter"? – Margin1522 (talk) 04:40, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
::::: Maybe something like "zLinks", "zLinkRefs" or "zLinkrefs" could fit the bill? With "zLi", any of them would honor the creator. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 08:25, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Zhaofeng Li|Margin1522|Dsimic}} Agree with the idea of a contest/brainstorming sessiom on Zhaofeng Li's talk page. As of now, I would pick something with "zLi" in it over my previous suggestion. GoingBatty (talk) 13:02, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks for all your comments! I'll start a brainstorming session on the tool's talk page later when I have more time. {{Smiley}} Zhaofeng Li
Indian Religions: mobile site picture cropping
I don't know what team to talk to about this, but I figured you guys would know.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fqgcmgjmtw38qa5/Screenshot_2015-01-25-13-20-50.png?dl=0
While this is a great shot of the statue, I think that on mobile devices, this is probably not the photo we want to see here. The crop places undue visual emphasis on the statue's genitals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spaceboss (talk • contribs) 18:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
:Is this the Wikipedia app? It seems to center the first image it finds. I've swapped the two top images. -- User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 19:16, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
::Yes, that was the Wikipedia app. It's good to know how to change the picture it grabs for the header - it looks great now. Spaceboss (talk) 20:32, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Thanks for posting a link to the image. User:Deskana (WMF) may already have this problem on his list. I believe that this only affects the Android app (not what you would see if you used a web browser on an Android device). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:13, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the feedback. I've [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/186862/ submitted a patch] that changes the cropping of images to focus the top of the image rather than the centre. That should stop this kind of thing from happening. In the mean time, changing the image should also work. Thanks! --Dan Garry, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 17:54, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Watchlist changes curtailed
This morninng I logged on to find my watchlist's list of changes severely shortened. It is only displaying changes as far back as ca. 11:00 pm last night (about 12 hours ago). I checked my preferences and they are unchanged, I should be seeing many more days' worth. Is this a know issue or something to report? — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 10:27, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:To confirm, the "Show last" period displayed is stuck on "12 hours". When I click on a different value, the script seems to run but the setting sticks at 12 hours. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 16:04, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::"Works for me" isn't a very helpful response, even though it's true. Have you tried all the usual things, like WP:BYPASS? What happens if you go to the full URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Watchlist&days=30 ? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:43, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Thank you for the suggestions. Hving hit the probem with Chromium on Linux, I am now on my Andriod tablet and I can confirm that the probem perists. I tried the direct url for 30 days and that just resets the dispay to 12 hours as well. Seems to be some sort of corruption of my Wikipedia account settings? — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 21:32, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::::{{replyto|Steelpillow}} How many pages are on your watchlist? There used to be a threshold (which was once 1,000 pages) beyond which a user's watchlist would only display the last twelve hours of changes – I'm not sure if this is still the case. Also, how many changes are displayed on your watchlist? That could also have something to do with it. Graham87 06:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::Good thoughts. However the number of pages was 351, and I just now trimmed it to 343 and the problem persists. The last few weeks it has been above 343 and the list of changes has been displaying fine. The number of changes displayed is whatever were made in the last 12 hours: there is a user setting above the list for "Show last 1 | 2 | 6 | 12 hours |1 | 3 | 7 | 30 days" and whichever I select it just reverts to 12 hours selected. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 07:11, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::What happens when you click https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Watchlist&days=3? Does the url continue to say days=3? Post the line of form "Below are the last $1 changes in the last $2 hours". What is the first two fields at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist, and is "Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent" enabled? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:19, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::the url remains correct but the displayed list of changes does not match it. First two fields are: Days to show in Watchlist 5, Maximum number of changes... 250
:::::{{replyto|Graham87}} Any threshold that exists is plenty more than 1,000 pages, since my watchlist is now 19,736 pages, and it will show me right back to 13:21, 29 December 2014 - a genuine 30 days. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:28, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Solved, thanks to {{User|PrimeHunter}}. Maximum number of changes to show in expanded watchlist was 250. I recently added WP:ANI and that's when the problem kicked off - it ate all my allowance. Raising it to 1000 has solved the problem. All the 12 hr stuff seems like it must have been coincidence, as I was judging the duration set by the list that appeared. Many thanks to all who chipped in. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 16:16, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Steelpillow}} If you set it to zero, that's treated as "no limit on count", and the only limit that then applies is the time period. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
::Cool, I'll do that. I keep forgetting MediaWiki is coded by people who are doing what they want. :) — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 21:19, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Help Needed Copying a Template to Another Wiki
I asked here if I could borrow the 'In5' template and copy it to another wiki, but nobody's responded there yet. I would just copy the page's wikitext to a page with the same name on [http://shifti.org/wiki/Main_page the other wiki] (or could I just use template transclusion?) but the 'In5' template delegates the work that it does to a Lua module. How can I copy it, or do I even need to?
— RandomDSdevel (talk) 22:38, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:Do you have admin rights on the other wiki? If so, you should be able to use [//shifti.org/wiki/Special:Import Special:Import]. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:03, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::Unfortunately, I actually don't have administrative rights over there. I am, however, on good terms with one of that site's admins, so it couldn't hurt just to ask him if he might do it for me!
::— RandomDSdevel (talk) 20:29, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
:You cannot transclude a template from another wiki. Special:Version versus http://shifti.org/wiki/Special:Version shows no Lua or Scribunto at the latter so you cannot use the current version of Template:In5. The page history [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In5&action=history] shows non-Lua versions before 2013. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:02, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Don't panic
To deploy a patch for an urgent security vulnerability, the operations team at the Wikimedia Foundation are rolling out restarts of all servers. If something is down, from the wiki to labs to thumbnail renders/image scalers to whatever, never fear! they shall be back up very shortly. If the outage of something lasts for a really long time, do let me know. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 23:57, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:{{ping|Keegan (WMF)}} - [http://tools.wmflabs.org/afdstats/ AFD Stats on Labs] has been dead since the restart. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:58, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks, it looks like it's working again. Labs was being fussy. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 19:35, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
What's going on with this page?
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex - Solid State Society appears to be suffering from every script error imaginable, and I don't see the source---it appears to be an internal scripts issue. Perhaps this is related to the post above, but on the off chance that it isn't, can someone take a look and determine what's happening? Loading previous revisions seems to restore the page to working order for me.
Here is what I am seeing: [http://i.imgur.com/5hxO6Pz.png]. ResMar 14:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:I saw the same thing. All errors disappeared after a simple purge though. SiBr4 (talk) 14:46, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
::Well, whatever it was it's gone now. ResMar 02:48, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Bad page names
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_Wyatt_Family_(American_Guns) Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The Wyatt Family (American Guns)], a redirect, is up for deletion. Attempts to link to it using wiki syntax render, brokenly, as Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The Wyatt Family (American Guns), which is actually a link to Draft:The. Should we have an edit filter to prevent such pages from being created? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:34, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:Use the entity : instead of the first colon: Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The Wyatt Family (American Guns). --Redrose64 (talk) 18:48, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:URL-like page titles are already forbidden by means of the title blacklist. However, there have recently been some bugs that caused non-admin/-TE users to be able to create blacklisted pages. See this archived thread. SiBr4 (talk) 19:01, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
::{{Ping|SiBr4}}, sure enough, the title that was deleted matches a blacklist entry. Yeah, that MediaWiki software issue was a bit annoying; glad it's fixed now. Steel1943 (talk) 19:08, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:{{Edit conflict}} Andy Mabbett, a better venue to bring this concern up would probably be MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist. (I was going to suggest that to you in the RFD discussion, but the discussion was closed before I had a chance. Someone who watches that page may have an idea how to add it to the title creation blacklist, but unfortunately, I personally am not sure what syntax would have to be added to the list to accomplish the task you are asking ... which I agree needs to be done somehow.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
::(Never mind on that; looks like the deleted title already matches a blacklist entry, and was probably created as a result if the software issue that {{Noping|SiBr4}} referenced above.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:11, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Stats broken?
I've just noticed that stats.grok.se appears to be broken as [http://stats.grok.se/en/201501/Stand_Up,_Stand_Up_for_Jesus It failed to record any record for this article] yesterday. Is there an issue as WikiViewStats is down too? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 21:59, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:{{u|The C of E}}, It's just that one article, I think. I see stats for all my articles for Jan 27. Here's the [http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Main_Page Main_Page stats]. — Maile (talk) 20:31, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Infoboxes
I am a fairly new editor, but am having some difficulty with infoboxes. If for example, a person is say both Native American leader and a politician, Harry J. W. Belvin it does not appear that the boxes can be combined, thus, as I did there, does one have to use 2 boxes? Or is there a way to combine the information?
On several articles, though I have completed the tribal leadership position and language, that information does not actually show in the infobox. It may or may not be a critical piece of information to a programmer but for example in the case of Bill Osceola and Billy Osceola their information is so similar that ANY identifying characteristics that help one to determine which is the correct one may be critical. They did not hold the same tribal office, nor did they speak the same native tongue, but that information does not show in the infobox, though it was completed. Can these become visible fields?
Thank you for your assistance. SusunW (talk) 23:08, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:I've echoed part of your question here: Template_talk:Infobox_Native_American_leader#Parameters_not_showing_up_in_Infobox ... I note that for language the template is wanting an ISO code and not a link to the language artice page, so for Bill Osceola that would be native_name_lang = mik ... and the infobox seems to use the "mik" to alert your browser that the nickname is in that language ... your browser yawns and ignores the info being thrown at it. I've not figured out what, if anything, happens to the known_for parameter info. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:34, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
::{{ping|Tagishsimon}} Thanks, I think. LOL. I have no earthly idea what an ISO code is, nor a how one figures out what one is. Programming is pretty much unintelligible to me, as a researcher. Can you tell me in simple language for a writer what that means and how one determines what it is? I think, that it doesn't matter if one knows the secret "code" or not as someone added the box to Minnie Evans (Potawatomi leader) and it still isn't visible. I admit freely that programming is way over my head, don't remotely understand it. SusunW (talk) 04:00, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Montanabw}} totally confused. Andy responded at the link above on template talk, still have no clue what any of it means. Is he saying it won't show up even if you fill it out? I am wayyyyyy too old to learn so many new tricks. ;) SusunW (talk) 04:13, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
You're not intimately familiar with ISO 639-3 Susun? I'm shocked!. From the top. You quite reasonably want to be able to specify a language and a known_for sentence, so they'll appear in the infobox. I'm hoping that Andy, or someone else, will look at that in a short while. The ISO code for Mikasuki language is to be found at the bottom of the infobox on the Mikasuki language page - it's mik. But be clear: the native_name_lang parameter, into which you entered Mikasuki language, is not designed to display a language in the infobox, but instead to specify the language of the native_name of the individual, if such has been added to the infobox (and in a way - ISO codes - useful to browsers and the wider semantic web, but of no use to the human eye). You should only need to hunt for ISO codes if you add native_names and want to do your best for posterity by specifying the language of the native name in a machine-readable format. We - people on wikipedia who understands templates better than I - need to be responsive to your requirement to get a human readable "language" parameter, and a working "known_for" parameter. And if this comes to pass, then we get you to where you perhaps ought to be - able to use Mikasuki language rather than "mik". (There's also the open which infobox to use / should multiple infoboxen be used query yet to be answered.) hth. --Tagishsimon (talk) 04:34, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
::{{ping|Tagishsimon}} You have made my night. I can hardly breathe from laughing so hard. I told Montanabw earlier that it would be an interesting conversation, but that there was a real possibly no communication would occur due to the language barrier ;) and here I am learning that humor is universal. While I (think I do) understand that the language parameter is meant to specify the correct spelling of the native name, from a writer's standpoint, I will have verified that with multiple sources. (In the case of Minnie, I verified it with 3 sources before I determined the 2nd syllable should be waht rather than what.) We call it preponderance of evidence. Not very scientific, possibly, but the way researchers work -- verifiable and weighted. I would much rather be able to see the mother-tongue if it can be determined, as an identifying biographical figure, than as a formula for determining how to spell their name properly, as, it may important for identification purposes, as previously identified, and how the name is spelled, has quite often changed over time. (My own name, case in point, has varied at numerous points in my lifetime, but I am still me.) SusunW (talk) 05:07, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
:::I find your case for a human readable native langauge field unimpeachable, and I live in hope it'll be implemented. The machine readable code of which we spoke is not to do with spelling/verification, so much as to tell the web browser software that "this next bit's in French" on the off chance the browser wants to display French text in a different font, for instance. In the case of Minnie Evans, it turns up in the code which makes up the page as:
::::Indeed. Mi cabeza da vueltas. I suspect, that you are way too young to be at the muttering stage yet, so I apologize for reducing you to muttering, though I admit, it is often where I am in muddling through Wikipedia. The infobox is a very complicated tool o.O What if it is a woman, Native leader, politician? Oy vey, we input which box? Thank you for the levity. Nothing is so serious that it cannot be laughed about. SusunW (talk) 06:04, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::{{replyto|Tagishsimon|SusunW}} It's not a good idea to simply say "ISO code", since there are many different things that are assigned codes by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO). In this context, it's better to say "ISO 639 code", but even that is ambiguous - here, the ISO 639-3 code is what is needed. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:43, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
::::Not so much "display text in a different font" (though that'd be possible), but to set the accent for (for example) text readers for blind users; or to tell translation software what's going on. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:55, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
= Updates =
Please see the template talk page for updates, and continue discussion there (where it will be seen by other interested parties). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:55, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
:Spoiler: known_for has been fixed by Andy and is showing up on Bill Osceola. And consensus is being sought on the template talk page as to whether or not, and if so how to add a native language parameter to the infobox. --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:12, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you all so much. I am amazed at how fast y'all were able to resolve this. Total respect for what you do, to make the articles more reader friendly. SusunW (talk) 19:28, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Embedding Infobox officeholder
How do we make {{tl|Infobox officeholder}} embeddable within another infobox? I can do that for templates based on {{tl|Infobox}}, but this one isn't. Please discuss at Template talk:Infobox officeholder#Embeddable, or boldly make it so! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:10, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
:Should/could this be rewritten to be based on {{tl|Infobox}}? --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:13, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
::Ideally yes; whether that's possible, I have no idea. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:59, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Templated reasons in MediaWiki:Ipbreason-dropdown
Many of the user talk templates were standardized several years ago, including block messages; Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace#Blocks. It appears MediaWiki:Ipbreason-dropdown was missed in the update. I'd like to correct them to match the correct template names, and add an informative note beside each one. For example,
{{spamusernameblock}} would be changed to {{uw-spamublock}} <-- Promotional username - Bad faith -->. Any objections? I'll do a full mockup of all changes in a sandbox if requested. --Geniac (talk) 03:18, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
:{{tl|spamusernameblock}} doesn't sound like a warning, and its name as is doesn't need an XML explanation, it's clear. But actually I don't care, if you think your solution is better, make it so. JFTR, <!-- –Be..anyone (talk) 16:52, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
::I'm not sure what you mean. spamusernameblock doesn't sounds like a warning because it isn't a warning; it's a block notice. I'm proposing updating block reasons, not any warnings. I've posted to the sandbox subpage MediaWiki:Ipbreason-dropdown/sandbox and I'll wait at least a day or two for discussion. And yeah I forgot the ! in my example here. --Geniac (talk) 01:46, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::: Don't see the problem as long as you don't break Special:Block (which uses that page as the input to its dropdown menu). Black Kite (talk) 22:37, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::: Yes, Special:Block uses that page. That's my point; the options in that dropdown menu need updated and some of them need annotated. Another improvement I've made in the sandbox is to group some related block reasons together in a logical order. --Geniac (talk) 01:14, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:::uw = "user warning" is arguably misleading for a block, but no big deal. –Be..anyone (talk) 03:35, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
::::The uw- prefix simply indicates that a user talk template was a part of the standardisation effort of 2007, not that a template is necessarily a warning. That's neither here nor there; those are the current correct template names. --Geniac (talk) 03:45, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Unenforced non-blank edit summaries
Hello! While editing lead section of the Data scrubbing article, I've accidentally clicked on the "Save page" button instead of "Show preview" and {{Diff|Data scrubbing|644207713|607914367|my edit was saved}} with no edit summary. The trouble is that I have "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" ticked in my preferences and blank edit summaries shouldn't be allowed; that enforcement seems to be working as expected when editing non-lead sections, but fails to protect lead section edits. While editing that lead section, I've used the "edit" link provided by having "Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page" ticked in my preferences.
Perhaps this bug has something to do with the automated insertion of /* top */ into edit summaries when lead sections are edited, what was introduced about a year ago or so. However, IMHO it should be fixed, if you agree. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 13:20, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- {{U|Dsimic}}, I'm not sure if this is what happened in your case here, but if you click save, and notice some text out of place or something and go back to fix it or whatnot I've found it easy to forget I clicked save once. When you click save again, it goes right through because you've already clicked once and technically gotten your blank summary warning. It's actually never prevented saving, it just takes you back to the edit window and doesn't let you know why. It can be very confusing to new users. I'll try to put in a phab ticket today if I can remember. :) —
{{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c)14:20, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
:: {{Reply to|Technical 13}} Yeah, I didn't mean that edits with no summaries are completely impossible, instead I had those "first click" warnings in mind. Sorry for not describing it more precisely. However, just to make sure, I've tried to reproduce this bug, and {{Diff|Data scrubbing|644255639|644250112|a test edit}} on a lead section, with no edit summary provided, was saved immediately after clicking on "Save page" with no warnings or anything. So, that's what happened in the first place. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 14:44, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
::: Sooo... is this a bug or a feature? :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 11:35, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::: Nobody finds it important? {{u|Technical 13}}, maybe? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 12:50, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::It seems like a minor issue and I doubt it can be fixed without an unreasonable effort by the developers to adapt a MediaWiki feature to take a gadget into consideration. "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing is part of the MediaWiki software which powers thousands of wikis. "Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page" and everything else at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets is made at the English Wikipedia, in this case MediaWiki:Gadget-edittop.js where /* top */ in the edit summary was added in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-edittop.js&diff=595448628&oldid=573136783] after discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 123#Editing the lede as opposed to editing the whole article. If you really want to avoid the issue then you could disable the gadget and make a version in {{Yourjs}} without /* top */. You could probably just copy code from MediaWiki:Gadget-edittop.js and remove a few things near the end without having to know JavaScript. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:20, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:::* I really don't have time right now, but what I would do is modify the gadget to check if the `warn on blank summary` option is activated if ( mw.user.options.get( 'forceeditsummary' ) === 1 ) { ... and then hijack the {{Button|Save page}} button to see if ( $( '#wpSummary' ).val() === '/* top */' ) { ... and if it does throw confirm( 'Blank edit summary detected,\npress [OK] to save anyways\nor[Cancel] to go back' ) and then if they click OK $( '#editform' ).submit(); or if they click cancel do $( '#wpSummary' ).focus();. Anyways, I don't currently have access to gadget pages and I'm too busy to work up and test it in a sandbox at this time. Ping me back in a couple three weeks or so if you can't find someone else to do it and I'd be happy to. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 14:52, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
::::: {{Reply to|PrimeHunter|Technical 13}}
::::: Went ahead and had a look at {{Mono|includes/EditPage.php}} from [http://releases.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.24/mediawiki-1.24.1.tar.gz MediaWiki 1.24.1]: basically, MediaWiki sends an MD5 hash of the default edit summary as a value of the form variable wpAutoSummary on edit pages, and compares it when the form is submitted later to see whether a summary was entered (better said, whether it was modified). MediaWiki:Gadget-edittop.js jumps into the middle of that and pretty much "breaks" the relationship between the default edit summary and its stored MD5 hash. In more detail, {{Mono|Gadget-edittop.js}} presets the summary using GET variable summary, what is additionally handled in {{Mono|includes/EditPage.php}} as a fix for bug #17416: if submitted using &summary=, edit summary is checked only to be non-empty (the default summary is forcibly assumed to be empty){{snd}} that's why {{Mono|/* top */}} is accepted.
::::: Thus, {{Mono|Gadget-edittop.js}} should instead set the summary by modifying wpSummary form varible upon the initial loading of edit pages, and should also initially set the wpAutoSummary to the value of md5('/* top */'). That should correct this issue, by establishing the same relationship as if the setting of a default edit summary was performed by MediaWiki. Would something like that be doable in {{Mono|Gadget-edittop.js}}? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 15:01, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::* Okay, so then Phab:T19416 apparently isn't fixed or was rebroken is what you are saying? {{U|MrBlueSky}}, since you're the one that marked this as resolved, maybe you or {{U|Happy-melon}} (bug author?) can help clarify there. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 19:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::: Well, that's what the code in MediaWiki 1.24.1 does (see lines 2428–2433 in {{Mono|includes/EditPage.php}}). If that behavior is changed, then it seems that MediaWiki:Gadget-edittop.js should be working as expected with no modifications. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 20:04, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Phab:T19416 asks to not require a different edit summary when &summary= is set. MrBlueSky (talk) 21:24, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::: Hm, the whole Phab:T19416 is like "well, I like my waffles with xyz syrup" with no real explanation and no analysis on what else could be affected by such changes. Maybe I'm missing something, but in a request like this it would be important to state where pre-specified summaries shouldn't be validated to be different when a page is submitted; as-is, IMHO it doesn't look like it's about a bug or specific misbehavior. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:39, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::: Well, I guess this is one of those WP:DEADHORSEs. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 06:00, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Japanese and Chinese character forms
Issues sometimes arise with browsers displaying the wrong form (Chinese or Japanese) of a particular character (e.g. {{lang|zh|直}} versus {{lang|ja|直}}). Typically they seem to default to Chinese, which is inappropriate for Japanese content. Japanese (or Chinese) can be forced using the HTML "lang" parameter or various templates that presumably generate this internally, but it is highly tedious to do this throughout a long article that makes extensive use of such characters. Instead, what is needed is a way to set a default (Chinese or Japanese) for a whole article. Is this currently possible, and, if not, could I place a request for it to be considered as an enhancement? 109.157.11.14 (talk) 21:36, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
:Can you give an example of each? -- Gadget850 talk 21:38, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
::Do you mean an example of a character that looks different in the two languages? I gave an example at the start of my post. If they look the same to you then it must be due to some local issue on your machine (e.g. maybe you don't have a Japanese font installed). If you don't mean this then I'm afraid I don't understand what you are asking. 109.157.11.14 (talk) 22:04, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
::For those like me who didn't know the issue, it appears that some Unicode characters are supposed to render differently depending whether they are part of a Chinese or Japanese text.
:::The first samples appear different to me. Please provide examples where you see the problem: what articles? -- Gadget850 talk 22:07, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
::::Hes not saying anywhere is rendering it wrong, hes saying its tedious to have to set the language for every character, and would like to set it once for the whole page. Could a template at the top of the page set a variable that could then be read as a default value for unicode display later in the page? Gaijin42 (talk) 22:09, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
::::As I understand it, the display is potentially incorrect in any article that does not explicitly set the language (directly or indirectly via a template) every time Japanese or Chinese characters are used. Whether it is actually incorrect depends on what the browser does by default. Note also that most characters render the same. Only a few are different. 109.157.11.14 (talk) 22:38, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::When I read "whole article" then I infer that certain articles have a problem. What articles and what are some of the wrong characters in that article? -- Gadget850 talk 22:45, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::I can't remember now, and it doesn't matter. It is a general usability/maintainablity thing. For example, Japanese grammar has masses of Japanese text with no language set. If there any any uses of these dual-form characters (I haven't checked the whole article!) then they would likely display incorrectly. Rather than going through checking every line and applying "lang=", a better solution is clearly to set the language once at the top of the article. 109.157.11.14 (talk) 22:50, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The lang= attribute is already set at the top of every article, and it is set to lang="en" because this is the English Wikipedia. On the Japanese Wikipedia, pages have lang="ja" set at the top. This code must match the language of the page as a whole: if any part is not in the default language, that part should be marked up as being in that other language (whether by using {{tag|span}} {{tag|div}} or some other element isn't important), but if that element has (say) the lang="ja" attribute, it cannot enclose any text that is not in Japanese, unless that text is itself marked up using (say) {{tag|span|params=lang="en"}} for text in English. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:33, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::It couldn't override the main language being English, of course. What would be convenient is a directive "everywhere you find Chinese/Japanese characters, set the language as Japanese (or Chinese)". 109.157.11.14 (talk) 00:12, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::Theoretically, you could write a parser function that could set a value like this for the whole page (a little like DEFAULTSORT). However, while it could work on a small subset of pages, I can see inherent problems on getting it to work for all pages in all languages. Even with a language pairing like English and Japanese that use different character sets, it would be difficult for a program to reliably tell which content was English and which was Japanese. For example, 三菱東京UFJ銀行 (Mitsubishi Tokyo UFJ Bank) should be tagged as being Japanese, but I could easily see a program mistakenly tagging the "UFJ" in the middle as being in English. And it only gets more complicated when you consider language pairings with the same or similar character sets, or pages that contain text in three or more languages. Tagging Japanese text manually may be a pain, but as far as I can see it is the only reliable way of getting it right. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 11:44, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Redrose64 is right: every English Wikipedia page has the language set to English by the MediaWiki software. Where other languages such as Chinese or Japanese are used, we have templates to set the language code. Without specific page examples, I can't see what is going on and I can't help. -- Gadget850 talk 23:53, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::I have given you a page example. I believe I have explained the issue clearly enough. I don't know why you can't seem to understand it. 109.157.11.14 (talk) 00:09, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::I see you did point out Japanese grammar. ("I can't remember now, and it doesn't matter." made me skip over the example). All of the Japanese text should be enclosed in {{tl|lang-ja}} for proper language support. As PrimeHunter pointed out, the characters render differently when different language templates are used or not used. We have a series of templates for language support. -- Gadget850 talk 00:41, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::In both Chinese and Japanese 直 (U+76F4) is the same character with the same meaning. The difference is that the glyph in Chinese fonts looks different from the glyph in Japanese fonts. [http://unicode.org/faq/han_cjk.html This FAQ] from unicode.org explains how this works, using the example of this character (U+76F4). So if we had a global tag for the whole page, we would be telling the browser that we want one font or the other for characters in the Asian code range. I think that modern browsers already have heuristics to handle this and usually get it right. For example, Japanese grammar and Chinese grammar both display fine for me, even though neither specifies the lang= for all characters. The problems tend to come up when pages contain mixed languages. One example is [http://rishida.net/scripts/chinese/ this page]. If you look at the HTML for that page, it handles the 3 different glyph sets in the same way that we do, by wrapping the characters in "lang=ja" or "lang=zh-Hant" spans. We can always do the same thing on Wikipedia if the characters are not displaying properly. – Margin1522 (talk) 06:24, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Help needed with recursive template
I wrote a template which takes as its single unnamed parameter either a year or the word 'current'. In the latter case it determines from wikidata what the current year is, then calls itself with that value.
Documentation tells me recursion is fine for one level. However I got a recursion error straight away. Then I tried using safesubst: which seemed to work, but only later did I see that it did a regular substitution. Currently the only valid years for input are 2007 and 2010, but at the next census-like point there will be a later year, which I want 'current' to reach. That won't happen with substituted code. I know I can break this into two templates, one to determine the current year which is invoked from the other. But I'd like to know whether recursion is allowed or not.
{{collapse top|click "show" at right to view}}
1st version gave recursion error
{{#switch:{{{1|}}}
|current={{PH census|{{#invoke:Wikidata|getQualifierDateValue|P1082|P585|FETCH_WIKIDATA|y}}}}
}}{{documentation}}
then safesubst: (or so I thought)
{{#switch:{{{1|}}}
|current={{safesubst:PH census|{{#invoke:Wikidata|getQualifierDateValue|P1082|P585|FETCH_WIKIDATA|y}}}}
}}{{documentation}}
which became
{{#switch:{{{1|}}}
|current={{#switch:{{#invoke:Wikidata|getQualifierDateValue|P1082|P585|FETCH_WIKIDATA|y}}
|current={{PH census|{{#invoke:Wikidata|getQualifierDateValue|P1082|P585|FETCH_WIKIDATA|y}}}}
}}
}}
{{documentation}}
{{collapse bottom}}
As a supplementary, how does safesubst differ from subst (in words I can understand)?
--Roger Camotes (talk) 13:42, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
:As far as I know, no recursion is possible in wikicode. So you would have to use a simple ifeq on the main template and move the main code to the subtemplate. I have done this to Template:PH census (feel free to revert) but I'm not sure if the wikidata fetch is working correctly yet — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:18, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
::A template may call itself once; a second level of recursion will throw "Template loop detected: Template:Template sandbox" (or whatever the template name is). --Redrose64 (talk) 16:49, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
:::That's what I thought, but it gave the error on the first recursion. {{ping|MSGJ}} – that's what I was after. The subst'ed version wasn't even correct.--Roger Camotes (talk) 18:53, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- I hope you don't mind, I tucked some of that away in a collapsed section as it was making the page render in a way that was impossible to read. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:17, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
:{{tq|"it determines from wikidata what the current year is, then calls itself with that value."}} That's a terrible use for recursion, and there's no way to make that work. Either write your code in Lua instead, or use a /core template. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:36, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
::If all that you need is the current year, that's ... er ... {{tlc|CURRENTYEAR}} which returns {{CURRENTYEAR}}. See H:MW#Other variables by type. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:40, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
:::"current year" was a confusing description. If "current" is passed then the template pulls the census year from the Wikidata entry for the article. You could just make the test in the switch like this:
Find red links
Hello. Is there a way to find all red links that are in all the articles of a certain category? Xaris333 (talk) 21:28, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:There is in AWB: make a list of pages in the category, save the list, convert it to a pipe-separated list, and make a new list using "Links on page (only redlinks)" for those pages. If you don't use AWB, I could make the list for you if you gave the category name. SiBr4 (talk) 21:41, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
::User:SiBr4 thank you! I did it! Xaris333 (talk) 22:13, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks from me, too, as I didn't know I could provide a piped list of pages for that purpose, and I've been using AWB since last summer. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 15:10, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia's eMail interface
{{tracked|T66795}}
Over the past month or two, I have had problems using our eMail interface (on 4 or 5 occasions, most recently on this timestamped day). The messages were either prolonged in delay, or not delivered at all – in every instance, I was not sent a copy of the email either, which my preferences stipulate, should happen. Any ideas? Thank you.--John Cline (talk) 06:59, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
:You may be running into the bug described at :phab:T66795, if your email provider is Yahoo or one of the others mentioned on that bug page. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:35, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you, this seems to be describing my problem.--John Cline (talk) 10:33, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
:* For those unaware, having an email account with Yahoo!, AOL, Comcast, Hotmail, GMail, or any other email provider that has set their Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance (DMARC) policy to p=reject will prevent using Special:EmailUser. Since the MediaWiki software is set up to spoof sending emails with the from address set to pretend it is sending directly from your mail client that has a domain that does not match the sender domain, it causes it to be rejected by mail hosts instead of sending directly from the local domain with the reply to address set as your address. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 13:06, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
::*Slight clarification yahoo.com and aol.com have set DMARC policy to p=reject [https://dmarcian.com/dmarc-inspector/yahoo.com] [https://dmarcian.com/dmarc-inspector/aol.com]. Others such as gmail.com and outlook.com (the new hotmail.com) and mail.ru have a setting of p=none [https://dmarcian.com/dmarc-inspector/gmail.com ] [https://dmarcian.com/dmarc-inspector/outlook.com] [https://dmarcian.com/dmarc-inspector/mail.ru]. Yahoo explains their policy [https://help.yahoo.com/kb/mail/SLN24016.html?impressions=true here]. Some other sites don't publish records. --Mrjulesd (talk) 13:43, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
::::{{ec}}Thank you Technical 13 and Mrjulesd. I am curious, will this situation also affect one's ability to get a password reset sent to the email address? It may seem obvious to the more technically fluent within our midst; but I must ask: what is a good/best manner of mitigation, or is this somehow in our own best interest; whereas instead, I should adopt a mindset of acceptance?--John Cline (talk) 13:55, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
::::* {{U|John Cline|John}}, it shouldn't interfere with the ability to get a password reset because those emails are actually coming from the the domain they say they are coming from. Those emails come from something like noreply@wikimedia.org and have a sender set as noreply@wikimedia.org. The issue is when we try to send email from one user to another and the emails actually come from noreply@wikimedia.org but the sender is set to ThisUser@yahoo.com. The way to fix this of course, although apparently not as simple as it seems, is to have the email come from noreply@wikimedia.org, have the sender set to noreply@wikimedia.org, and have the reply-to set to ThisUser@yahoo.com. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 14:15, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::*And to be very clear, this isn't broken on Wikipedia's end, some mail provider have decided to block these messages and the complaint technically should be from their customers to them (customer being a VERY loose word here as these are free providers whose actual customers are advertisers, email users are their product). I agree with T13 above that we could band-aid our system and the primary arguments against it all seem to be along the line of "sending a message to these providers that they shouldn't do this" - however I think the chance the providers will actually care about out message is slim to none. {{ping|Technical 13}}, I haven't followed this very closely, but if this is enwiki specific any reason an RFC to change this behavior would be rejected by the foundation? — xaosflux Talk 14:52, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::* {{U|xaosflux}}, it's not enwp specific. It affects all MediaWiki software customers. That said, I still think that we should hold an RfC on whether or not we should formally complain to the foundation as a community that is a customer. The issue I have with calling it a bandaid to fix something that email providers shouldn't do is that more and more email providers are doing it. Where is the threshold when the foundation accepts this is forward progress and will be the accepted norm? This is a question I can not answer and would love to hear feedback from the foundation on. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 15:05, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::* {{U|Technical 13}} I won't drop the bandaid calling :) , but do think we should change this configuration. I'm missing the why this has to be a production process change for everyone -- even if it is a software change-should be able to be parameterized per project, no? — xaosflux Talk 15:10, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::* I need to dig out the code for that special page and how it is processed to know for sure how much work it would be but it is certainly possible to be able to have it per project. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 16:12, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
{{od|7}}
- {{ping|John Cline}} One workaround at the moment is to have a second e-mail address, for example with gmail.com or outlook.com. Their current DMARC policy allows spoofing. But of course that could change in the future. Also, if anyone from a yahoo.com address tried to send you an e-mail through the system you'd suffer the same problem.
:@everyone surely the best solution for the mediawiki software to spoof sender e-mail addresses slightly differently? For example if example@yahoo.com sent an e-mail, the mediawiki software could spoof the e-mail address something like example@WIKIPEDIA_yahoo.com? Of course to reply the e-mail address would have to altered, but at least the e-mail would be received. --Mrjulesd (talk) 15:56, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
:* Altering is not even needed. All they need to do as add an appropriate reply-to: field and clicking reply will automatically put in the correct address. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 16:12, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Urbane Israel
Hi
There is a title on the :Template:Largest cities of Israel that currently reads: Largest cities or towns of Israel which I would like to read Largest urban areas of Israel or Largest urban localities of Israel as per source material [http://www.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html?num_tab=st02_11x&CYear=2012 here.] Help would be appreciated. thanks. GregKaye 15:40, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
:{{replyto|GregKaye}} Edit the page Template:Largest cities of Israel, and inside the {{tlx|Largest cities}} template, add the parameter {{para|kind|urban areas}} --Redrose64 (talk) 16:12, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Categorization of stub tags doesn't work on creation
For some reason, when I've been creating new stub tags, when I save them the first time they don't show up in the category. This is always fixed by saving it the second time without editing it (null edit). I saw this both with {{tl|Arizona-sport-stub}} (created as upmerged to 2 populated categories) and to {{tl|NYC-sport-stub}}. Any idea why that's happenning? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:57, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Od Mishehu}} The {{tlx|asbox}} template - which is the core of every stub template - was Lua-ised a few days ago, so it's best to point out new problems at Template talk:Asbox, which has 45 watchers including me. Or at Module talk:Asbox, if you want to attract a possibly more knowledgeable (but smaller, just 5 watchers) audience. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:05, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
How to - create both category and category talk page with template
I am a little stuck, probably just a little slow in understanding. I have been creating templates for the creation of categories and I am wondering how I could using the same template also create category talk pages. For instance, consider {{tl|Media companies established in year cat}}; in addition to creating the category, I would like to create the associated talk page and put
:{{replyto|Ceyockey}} Templates don't create pages (categories or otherwise) - people and bots do. Do you mean that you want to put a link into a template, where if somebody clicks that link, they get taken to the edit screen? --Redrose64 (talk) 16:09, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
::{{replyto|redrose64}} OK - simpler explanation. In creating a page such as :Category:Media companies established in 2015, if I apply the template {{tl|Media companies established in year cat}} as the content and save the page, not only will the category page contain the desired content, but also the associated talk page will be created bearing the content {{tl|WikiProject Companies|class=category}}. In short, by creating the category page, the category talk page will also be created without having to manually add content to that page (i.e. will not have to click on the red talk tab and manually add the wikiproject template. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 16:14, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
::P.S. I do understand it might not be possible to do this, that, in fact, one might still need to click on a link to invoke creation of the talk page. If that is the case, might it be possible to auto-populate the newly created page with the desired content so that one need only save the page rather than manually inserting content. Thanks. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 16:30, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
:::You say "not only will the category page contain the desired content, but also the associated talk page will be created bearing the content {{tl|WikiProject Companies|class=category}}" - I've looked at the template and it has nothing special that might do this. It's transcluded on two category pages, {{cl|Media companies established in 1957}} and {{cl|Media companies established in 1958}}; both have a talk page, which was created by yourself and going by the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Media_companies_established_in_1957&action=history page history] there is no evidence that it was automatic - you must have clicked on the "talk" tab, pasted in
- {{Ec}} {{U|Ceyockey}}, it doesn't work that way. If this is a common application however, a userscript could be created to allow easy creation of both pages in a minimal number of clicks. Let me know if this is desired, exactly what needs to be posted on which pages, and a list of possible editors or projects that would be interested in this. Thanks. —
{{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c)16:50, 1 February 2015 (UTC) - See also Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Create new pages with 2 processes to semi-automatically create pages with some predefined content. Depends on the number of uses, if it's really efficient to dig deeper into that somewhat complex topic (or do it manually like our forefathers :) ). I haven't used that approach yet. GermanJoe (talk) 16:54, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Date parsing
Let's say I feed the following string into a template: 20150131. I would like the template to spit out the previous and next dates, which would be 20150130 and 20150201 respectively. Is this doable with templates on Commons or templates on another project which I could copy to Commons? Magog the Ogre (t • c) 18:03, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
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Rollback
Let me preface this by saying I am only asking for technical information on the feasibility of this idea. I just want to know if we can do it before opening a discussion of whether we should. Thanks.
So, the actual idea: rollback as a user right is deprecated and instead it becomes an optional gadget like Twinkle that autoconfirmed users can turn on or off for themselves in the "gadgets" tab of their preferences.
Is that possible, and if so can it be done locally or do we need the foundation to get involved? Also, any guesses about the time frame to implement it should it be approved? Beeblebrox (talk) 17:23, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
:The simplest way would be to just give rollback rights to all autoconfirmed users, hide the actual links with CSS, then have a gadget to override that and display them. Another way would be to use $wgGroupsAddToSelf, which could allow autoconfirmed users to add themselves to the rollback group. Both would require relatively trivial changes to the site configuration, but no changes to the software itself. Mr.Z-man 17:32, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
::Just remember we'd still need some way to restrict access to tools like Huggle. Huggle should not be enabled as a gadget. Maybe that can be what the "vandal fighter" right is for =P — MusikAnimal talk 17:38, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
::I might also add if we do create a separate right for Huggle and others, that would conflict with the cross-wiki support of those tools, as they look for rollback on other wikis but will have to be updated to look for a different right on enwiki. We'd also need to update STiki, Igloo and probably others as well. The biggest problem, I think, is that the sneakiest of the sneakiest vandals could create an account, wait till they become autoconfirmed, enable the rollback gadget, then use an older version of Huggle to cause massive damage. All I'm saying is we'd need to somehow ensure users can't get access to powerful semi-automated tools without explicitly being granted the permission on a case by case basis (except is STiki where you automatically get access after 1000 mainspace edits). — MusikAnimal talk 20:28, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
:::A sneaky vandal could already easily use Huggle without being a rollbacker (in theory, they could as an IP). Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:35, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Jackmcbarn}} Really?! Are the developers aware of this? If it's easy to do we should probably figure out how to fix it! — MusikAnimal talk 23:50, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|MusikAnimal}} Yes, really, and by its nature, it's inherently unfixable. For WP:BEANS reasons, I'm not going to provide details here, but I'll email them to you if you want. Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:55, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Jackmcbarn}} Understandable. I'm intrigued, do contact me if you do not mind! :) — MusikAnimal talk 23:57, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
{{od|6}} Since I don't that's WP:BEANS, I'll give some hints here. For those interested, it's possible as 1) It's a wiki 2) All the userright checking is done client-side 3) Huggle can do "software rollback". Zhaofeng Li
- I'd support rolling rollback into reviewer and eliminating the extra hat. The reason I say roll it into the next closest grantable right instead of autoconfirmed is so that the community will still have control over who has it without having to revoke the lowest level of access. I'd suggest doing it as a two step process, first add the rollbacker rights to reviewer explicitly. Then give the developers and the community a (few) months notice that rollbacker is being deprecated and inform them they need to update their code accordingly. Make sure that all notices mention that assistance will be available for those in need of it. Then, when whatever is agreed to be a good amount of time has elapsed, run a script that removes the rollback group from all users listed in it and adds those users to reviewer if they are not already a part of that group. Once that is done it will be safe to eliminate the unused and unneeded group entirely. —
{{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c)16:21, 31 January 2015 (UTC) - So far I am only seeing one post here that seems to be responding to the question I actually asked. there is a reason I asked here, I am only looking to see if this is possible, this board is not the place to discuss an actual policy change. If I'm reading Mr Z-man's answer correctly the answer is that it probably is possible. Does anyone else have a take on that? Beeblebrox (talk) 18:37, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Since Twinkle already does it, it is obviously possible. The only question left is what to do with the rollback group itself. —
{{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c)19:08, 31 January 2015 (UTC) - Since the answer seems to be that it is possible I've gone ahead and proposed it at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Rollback 2015. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:43, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
External link icons
Different icons for e.g. https:// (see :File:External link icons in Vector.png) have been withdrawn, see bugzilla:56604.
The page Help:External link icons needs updating. Hoping someone here can be bothered. – Fayenatic London 15:01, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
:Phabricator adds 2000 to bugzilla numbers so you mean bugzilla:54604 = phab:T56604. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:17, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
::Help:External link icons is self-updating. MonoBook and Modern still use a number of icons; the help page shows the currently selected skin and different skins can be selected from the page heading. -- Gadget850 talk 18:50, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
:::We removed them from Vector some time ago. Should we remove them for Monobook and Modern as well? -- User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 21:12, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
:::: I think they are of limited value. And not accessible, so of no use to screen readers. The same for the locally added PDF icon. -- Gadget850 talk 21:42, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
::::ftp: vs. http: is relevant for me, and PDF as a clear don't is also important, but IIRC the ftp-icon sucked. –Be..anyone (talk) 23:45, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::The Vector FTP icon was a generic document. -- Gadget850 talk 00:27, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- There was a security issue on Wikimedia Labs. Many Labs tools were down after the issue was fixed. [http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.labs/3284]
Software changes this week
- The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since January 14. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from February 3. It will be on all Wikipedias from February 4 (calendar).
- The "Save page" button in the VisualEditor toolbar is now blue rather than green. This is the same as on the mobile site. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86507]
- You can now edit pages on the draft namespace with VisualEditor on the Russian Wikipedia and Hebrew Wikipedia. You can ask to get VisualEditor for a namespace on your wiki. When your community agrees, ask in Phabricator. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86688] [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87027]
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XTools
Hi, XTools are wonderful. Thanks ! However it may need some improvements.I recently checked some articles I've created and I saw some articles which are live but labelled "deleted" and also some others which I'haven't created. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 20:21, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
VisualEditor News 2015—#1
Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and worked on VisualEditor's appearance, the coming Citoid reference service, and support for languages with complex input requirements. Status reports are posted on Mediawiki.org. Upcoming plans are posted at the VisualEditor roadmap.
The Wikimedia Foundation has named its top priorities for this quarter (January to March). The first priority is making VisualEditor ready for deployment by default to all new users and logged-out users at the remaining large Wikipedias. You can help identify these requirements. There will be weekly triage meetings which will be open to volunteers beginning Wednesday, 11 February 2015 at [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20150211T12&p1=224&ah=1 12:00 (noon) PST] (20:00 UTC). Tell Vice President of Engineering Damon Sicore, Product Manager James Forrester and other team members which bugs and features are most important to you. The decisions made at these meetings will determine what work is necessary for this quarter's goal of making VisualEditor ready for deployment to new users. The presence of volunteers who enjoy contributing MediaWiki code is particularly appreciated. Information about how to join the meeting will be posted at mw:Talk:VisualEditor/Portal shortly before the meeting begins.
Due to some breaking changes in MobileFrontend and VisualEditor, VisualEditor was not working correctly on the mobile site for a couple of days in early January. The teams apologize for the problem.
= Recent improvements =
The new design for VisualEditor aligns with MediaWiki's Front-End Standards as led by the Design team. Several new versions of the OOjs UI library have also been released, and these also affect the appearance of VisualEditor and other MediaWiki software extensions. Most changes were minor, like changing the text size and the amount of white space in some windows. Buttons are consistently color-coded to indicate whether the action:
- starts a new task, like opening the {{int:visualeditor-toolbar-savedialog}} dialog: blue ,
- takes a constructive action, like inserting a citation: green ,
- might remove or lose your work, like removing a link: red , or
- is neutral, like opening a link in a new browser window: gray.
The TemplateData editor has been completely re-written to use a different design (T67815) based on the same OOjs UI system as VisualEditor (T73746). This change fixed a couple of existing bugs (T73077 and T73078) and improved usability.
Search and replace in long documents is now faster. It does not highlight every occurrence if there are more than 100 on-screen at once (T78234).
Editors at the Hebrew and Russian Wikipedias requested the ability to use VisualEditor in the "Article Incubator" or drafts namespace (T86688, T87027). If your community would like VisualEditor enabled on another namespace on your wiki, then you can file a request in Phabricator. Please include a link to a community discussion about the requested change.
= Looking ahead =
The Editing team will soon add auto-fill features for citations. The Citoid service takes a URL or DOI for a reliable source, and returns a pre-filled, pre-formatted bibliographic citation. After creating it, you will be able to change or add information to the citation, in the same way that you edit any other pre-existing citation in VisualEditor. Support for ISBNs, PMIDs, and other identifiers is planned. Later, editors will be able to contribute to the Citoid service's definitions for each website, to improve precision and reduce the need for manual corrections.
We will need editors to help test the new design of the special character inserter, especially if you speak Welsh, Breton, or another language that uses diacritics or special characters extensively. The new version should be available for testing next week. Please contact User:Whatamidoing (WMF) if you would like to be notified when the new version is available. After the special character tool is completed, VisualEditor will be deployed to all users at Phase 5 Wikipedias. This will affect about 50 mid-size and smaller Wikipedias, including Afrikaans, Azerbaijani, Breton, Kyrgyz, Macedonian, Mongolian, Tatar, and Welsh. The date for this change has not been determined.
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Thank link on Recent Changes pages
It would be convenient if there was a Thank link on Recent Changes pages. I would suggest this as an update to the software, or barring that, if there's a user script that adds it, I would use that. I use RC pages a lot for patrolling changes, and having a Thank link there would reduce steps I take to thank other users. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 15:05, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
:I think the answer to this is not a technical issue but raher the fact that you should actually view a diff before thanking someone for it. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:39, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
::And I can from the Recent Changes page. I can hover over the diff to see it. So, it would be nice if I can "thank" from there without additional navigation. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 20:12, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
:::It would be cool if it was made an option in popups when you hover over a diff. Although I suppose if you added everything to popups that was "cool", it would soon become overwhelmed with options. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:58, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
::::I should clarify that I'm not asking for the 'Thank' link to be in the popup, just on each Recent Changes entry like they appear in each History entry. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 23:02, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::I think that you should make this suggestion "official" by filing it as a feature request [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-v4mfdjnqotgdm224nqvk under the Thanks project] in :Phabricator:. (If you need help, then leave a note on my talk page.) I can't guarantee that it would get acted on any time soon, but filing it would put your idea in the list for future consideration. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 07:17, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Content not showing subsections
Hi, the contents on the following page is not displaying subsections. I have played around with it and not been able to get it work. Can anyone look at Operation Brevity and see what the problem is? RegardsEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 19:40, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
:The article includes the template {{tlx|TOC limit|2}}, which hides third-level and lower sections from the table of contents. SiBr4 (talk) 19:48, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you. Never noticed that there.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 02:51, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Toggle between default view and customized settings?
I sometimes wish to browse Wikipedia as a new user and see things as they would. On my own account, I have lots of settings configured. Is there a quick way to toggle all personalization off and see things as a new user would, in such a way that I could easily turn my settings back on? Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:03, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
:You would have to log out or use an alternative account with default settings. A few things are different between logged out users and logged in users with default settings. Wikipedia:Sock puppetry#Legitimate uses includes testing. I have User:PrimeHunter2 and User:PrimeHunter3. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:12, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
::Alternatively, install a second browser on your computer. I have five (Chrome, Firefox, IE, Opera, Safari), and sometimes run two or more simultaneously (all five at once maxes out my PC memory), but I only log in using one at a time. The logged-out browsers (usually Chrome and IE) show me what a good majority of new users will see. For cases when I need to test for a user who is logged-in but with basic settings, I log in as {{user|Redrose64a}}, who with just one edit, isn't even autoconfirmed. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:27, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
::: Alternatively, open a private/incognito window in your usual browser. Matma Rex talk 22:35, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
::::I use Matma Rex's approach in Firefox (File > New Private Window), but I don't think that's an option on all web browsers. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 07:40, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::"all web browsers" is really not the target here (think Lynx). Privacy mode is supported by _practically_ all the popular browsers - see privacy mode#Support in popular browsers. i doubt there are many wikipedians who feel the need to check the rendering for anons and do not have access to at least one of those. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 19:17, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Edit summary search bug
Letter case affects search results when it shouldn't. Note the differing results for [https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/summary.py?name=203.76.135.250&search=My+view&max=500&server=enwiki&nosect=on&ns=] and [https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/summary.py?name=203.76.135.250&search=my+view&max=500&server=enwiki&nosect=on&ns=] even though case-sensitive search is unchecked. Andreas JN466 12:29, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:The tool is made by User:Σ. [https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/summary.py?name=203.76.135.250&search=Mrinal&max=500&server=enwiki&nosect=on&ns=] and [https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/summary.py?name=203.76.135.250&search=mrinal&max=500&server=enwiki&ns=] give the same results while [https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/summary.py?name=203.76.135.250&search=mrinal&max=500&server=enwiki&nosect=on&ns=] misses all results from section edits but finds all others. So it appears that if "Don't search within /* sections */" is enabled then the search always becomes case sensitive. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:04, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
::Well spotted. Thanks. Andreas JN466 14:34, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Transclusions
I'm looking at two templates -
When I look at "What links here" for
Is this possible? Mlaffs (talk) 18:23, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:A way to do that is to compare the lists of transclusions of both templates to find out which pages transclude {{tl|AMQ}} but not {{tl|AM station data}} (easy if you have AWB). That will however not include pages that directly transclude both separately.
:You can also just search for pages that contain "{
::I'm on a Mac, so AWB won't be an option. However, I've bookmarked that search link so I can use it in the future (and for similar cases) - I won't pretend to understand how that was built, but that's the beauty of bookmarks. Thanks! Mlaffs (talk) 23:03, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Help requested
Over at my talk page - the CRG Int'l threads. We're having a problem getting Legobot to accept his request at CHU. I think I've got rid of a copied | , but Legobot is reading an ASCII 39 code instead of the ' that it wants. I'm getting out of my depth now. Peridon (talk) 20:43, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Talk pages on Android devices.
I am really confused about talk pages when using Android devices. I am using the wikipedia app, but can't see the normal PC page layout with the talk page tab, except (strangely) on this particular page since I have started a new section by posing this question. Apologies if Im asking a stupid question.
In conclusion then, how do I get e.g. Chrome apo or the wikipedia app on Android to display like a PC. 1812ahill (talk) 18:15, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- {{U|1812ahill}}, scroll to the bottom of the page and click the link for "desktop mode". —
{{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c)18:32, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
: {{ping|1812ahill}} The Wikipedia app is meant to provide a simpler mobile view of articles. You can get a desktop view on Chrome, however. Visit any article through Chrome and then scroll to the very bottom - you should see a "Desktop" link. Clicking it will make Wikipedia start displaying like they would on a PC. You can switch back to mobile view by scrolling to the bottom again and selected "Mobile view". ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 18:33, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
{{ping|1812ahill}} I suggest ditching the app and just using your web browser (whether the default of Firefox, etc), which offers a nice mobile-oriented view and has a lot of options that the app is missing. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 05:47, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Broken layout of Lua module page
I don't understand why Module:TemplatePar has a broken layout (compared to e.g. Module:String or Module:ATA). Maybe because it was imported, not created locally? --Leyo 19:34, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:I think the multiline comment at the top has confused something (and check the "Categories: %s" at the bottom!). I would try a simple "--" before each of the introductory comment lines. It's not the import. Johnuniq (talk) 20:55, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:It is the import. This is an known import bug, phabricator:T47750.--Snaevar (talk) 22:58, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:Fixed. Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:24, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you. --Leyo 10:11, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Vandalism showing up in Android app, but not the article itself
On the Wikipedia mobile app (Android), viewing the Tom Brady article brings up [http://i.imgur.com/nluZcmO.jpg this] (not my image); see the image caption, right below the page title. It's been like this for a couple days I believe, though the article doesn't contain the vandalism anywhere as far as I can tell - and I can't find any recent edits that inserted the text, either. Anyone know what's going on? Caching problem? Is the vandalism transcluded from elsewhere? ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 21:31, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:I've just [//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q313381&diff=193305895&oldid=192050834 fixed] some vandalism at Wikidata. Oh dear... -- John of Reading (talk) 21:53, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
::{{ping|John of Reading}} Ouch, that was long lived. Thank you! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 22:16, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:::There's discussion about it on Wikidata here and here. It looks as if the Wikidata admins are not yet on top of the problem. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:15, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
[[:Category:Category:Pages with script errors]]
For some reason, a number of pages are getting populated into :Category:Category:Pages with script errors. I'm not sure what is causing (or just caused) the double category problem. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:10, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:It looks like it was a transient issue. They're all gone now. Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:22, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:: That they are. Well then I have nothing to add. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:47, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Bare url tool fix
Hi,
I just installed /* User:Zhaofeng Li/Reflinks.js */
importScript( 'User:Zhaofeng Li/Reflinks.js' );// Backlink: User:Zhaofeng Li/Reflinks.js over my user page: User:Mr RD/common.js However I'm not sure how do I use it? Please help me here. Does it work like Twinkle or Proveit? Or is there something else I must do? Thanks. Mr RD 09:51, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:{{ping|Mr RD}} It should add a link labeled "Reflinks" in the Tools sidebar on the left. Clicking it will run the tool against the current page. Zhaofeng Li
::{{ping|Zhaofeng Li}}, got it. Thank you. Nice tool you made there. Keep up the good work. Mr RD 10:23, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Bytes per article
Am I in the right place to ask, why the [http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesArticlesBytesPerArticle.htm "Bytes per article"] statistics had not been refreshed for the last 12 months and why there is no update for the EnWiki stats for more than 5 years? Is there a chance that the stats will be updated in the near future? Gyurika (talk) 11:56, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
restore IPA symbols that have been removed from editing window
The editing window has been revamped, and tone letters have been removed from the IPA (under 'special characters'). Perhaps others as well. Could someone restore them? There are also lots of useless entries, such as {{IPA|ʙ̩}}: If someone really needs a syllabic bilabial trill (and it's likely that in the entire history of WP no-one ever has), then it can be entered with two keystrokes. — kwami (talk) 22:21, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
:See Help:CharInsert. -- Gadget850 talk 22:28, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
::{{re|Kwamikagami}} presuming you use monobook, i think the problem is in User:Kwamikagami/monobook.js. some time ago, the script loading logic was somewhat changed, and now, if there is an error in your personal scripts, some of the system's gadgets and scripts will not load. your personal monobook script has a problem (it contains a line that was probably meant for your personal css file rather than your personal js file).
::the problematic line is {{No break|.IPA { font-family: 'Gentium', 'Charis SIL', serif; }}}. my guess is that simply removing this line, will resurrect the functionality you lost. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 23:16, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Tested: It completely kills CharInsert for me. Documented at Help:CharInsert. The JS page now warns of errors on save. -- Gadget850 talk 23:59, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
::::Thanks! That restored CharInsert under the edit window. The one over the edit window is still missing tone in the IPA, but as long as people have access to both, it shouldn't matter. — kwami (talk) 03:13, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Per MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition, the CharInsert gadget depends on the 'user' module. If executing the user module fails (because of incorrect syntax), then the dependency will not be fulfilled, and CharInsert will therefore not be loaded. If this behavior is not desired, you shouldn't depend on the 'user' module. Matma Rex talk 12:42, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
:{{re|Matma Rex}} i do not remember (and can not verify) that syntax error in personal common.js causes mediawilki.user to fail loading. actually, a 2-minutes experiment did not confirm that this behavior exists today. is this something new? peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 19:22, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
::{{re|Kwamikagami}} for me, the "IPA" section under "special characters" from the toolbar has 226 different characters. are you sure it had more than that in the past? i do not use IPA characters, so i can't say it never did, but i find it highly unlikely. how many characters do *you* see under IPA in the toolbar? is it possible you missed the little scrollbar on the right? peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 20:45, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Because the bottom edit window had disappeared, and a new one appeared at top, I thought it had been moved. But I was wrong: with the fix mentioned above, my browser now displayed both. The one on top has a bunch of pre-composed charater+diacritic entries, the one on bottom has tone. — kwami (talk) 23:42, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
::::{{re|Kwamikagami}} again, i do not know much about IPA, but the one on top has 226 symbols. the charinsert one (the one on bottom) has 163. there's a second one called "IPA English" with thirty-odd symbols, but both of these groups combined contain less symbols than the one in the top toolbar, so i'm not sure what you mean when you talk about "tone"... peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 18:42, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::The general IPA at bottom is complete. The tone letters are {{IPA|˥ ˦ ˧ ˨ ˩ ꜛ ꜜ}}. The English one is a subset for our conventions on WP. The one on top adds a bunch of precomposed combinations. — kwami (talk) 18:47, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::{{re|Kwamikagami}} again, i know nothing about IPA, but if i understood what you just said, the one at the top is missing some characters it would have. can you please fill in a bug report? Phabricator: can be used directly with your wikipedia account (i think), so it should be pretty straightforward. just create a new task (click "+" in top toolbar) named something like "Edit toolbar: Special characters (IPA) missing symbols", and list all the missing ones in "description". thx. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 19:37, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
{{tracked| T88767}}
{{od}} The top window is missing the following IPA symbols: ⱱ ᶣ ᵊ ˕˔ ˥ ˦ ˧ ˨ ˩ ꜛ ꜜ ↗ ↘
and the diacritics on the following: k̚ s̺ s̻ θ̼ s̬ n̥ ŋ̊ a̤ a̰ β̞ r̝ e̘ e̙ u̟ i̠ ɪ̈ e̽ ɔ̹ ɔ̜ ə̆ z̴ ə̋ ə́ ə̄ ə̀ ə̏ ə̌ ə̂ ə᷄ ə᷅ ə᷇ ə᷆ ə᷈ ə᷉ t͜ɬ k͈ s͎
— kwami (talk) 22:15, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:Thanks for the list. I've filed the request in Phabricator. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:21, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Code colouring
Wiki editing needs code colouring. Code colouring is a feature of code editing programs, such as XCode in Mac or Notepad++ in Windows, where the various elements are not displayed as black but different colours. It would be really handy, especially if the citations within ≤ref≥ were greyed as a comment as references were worst offenders in terms of legibility. (Yes, I just wanted to put my anger out there. I do not wish to join a technical steering committee, or vote argumentatively or place a counter proposal rich in WP links to push it forth… I'll go back to my science nest now) --Squidonius (talk) 20:17, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:{{ping|Squidonius}} Actually, there is a gadget for that. Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets in the section "Editing" find {{tq|Syntax highlighter, make syntax stand out colorfully}}. Then you can try out wikied (the same gadget page section "Editing" {{tq|wikEd, a full-featured integrated text editor for Firefox, Safari, and Google Chrome}}). I haven't tested them myself, but you can at least try. Maybe it will help you :) --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 20:43, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks ever so much! You've just made my procrastination fun again! --Squidonius (talk) 21:06, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Squidonius, you might also consider trying VisualEditor (opt-in via Beta Features in Special:Preferences). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:28, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Page not found by Google
Google doesn't seem to know about British Plant Gall Society, even when searching for "British Plant Gall Society Wikipedia". Any ideas why not, or how to fix this? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:55, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
:Interestingly, if you add "wiki" you get a version found on a wiki re-publish site, not this one! I think the reason is that the content is too short and redundant with the pages it links to. Google sees this as a "link-to" page and thus rates those other pages higher. But knowing for sure... ain't gonna happen. Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:31, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:: No, it's not that it rates those other ones higher; Google does not even index this page. Alakzi (talk) 00:40, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
: It turned up as the first result in https://www.google.com/search?q=British+Plant+Gall+Society+wikipedia for me. Perhaps it's something to do with the URL you used? — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 02:21, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::Gall is the first result for me and British Plant Gall Society is nowhere. It's also missing from {{Google|"British Plant Gall Society" site:en.wikipedia.org}} which finds many other pages with mentions. The opening sentence of the article has been stable but {{Google|"The British Plant Gall Society is a voluntary organisation which encourages the study of plant galls in the British Isles"}} only finds a bunch of mirrors. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:31, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Are the people who aren't seeing this on Google all based in Europe, by any chance? Perhaps the article has fallen victim to a right to be forgotten request. (Although if that's the case, I have absolutely no idea what could possibly need to be forgotten from it.) — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 03:40, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::::I'm in Florida and it's the seventh entry on [http://www.google.com/search?q=British+Plant+Gall+Society]. --NE2 03:48, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::I'm in the UK, nothing to do with EU. Get the WP article as the first result. Maybe some weird software bug at googles end, reminds me of when the search doesn't work on WP properly. [https://www.google.com/#q=British+Plant+Gall+Society+Wikipedia] --Mrjulesd (talk) 03:55, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::I'm in Denmark. The article is now showing up in all the searches where it was missing before. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:32, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Saying "Google" is imprecise, because Google has several front-end URLs; besides the international https://www.google.com/ the country-specific URL http://www.google.co.uk/ also exists, and its rankings differ. Three posters above ({{u|Mr. Stradivarius}}, {{u|NE2}}, and {{u|Mrjulesd}}) indicate the URLs that they used, and all three were www.google.com; so those people who don't get a satisfactory search, like {{u|Pigsonthewing}}, {{u|Alakzi}}, {{u|PrimeHunter}} - which URL were you using? --Redrose64 (talk) 10:11, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::::: [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=British+Plant+Gall+Society+wikipedia&gws_rd=cr&ei=IELTVOfTHoHX7Aay2oCQAw] Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:14, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::::: .com. I've also tried .co.uk. and .co.jp. Alakzi (talk) 11:21, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::I clicked the given google.com links but were redirected to a longer google.dk url. For example, https://www.google.com/search?q=British+Plant+Gall+Society+wikipedia leads me to https://www.google.dk/search?q=British+Plant+Gall+Society+wikipedia&gws_rd=cr&ei=n1_TVJyuGo3TaMOOgIgJ, but the ei parameter is different each time. It currently varies which searches include the article. It's included in https://www.google.dk/search?q=British+Plant+Gall+Society+wikipedia&gws_rd=cr&ei=n1_TVJyuGo3TaMOOgIgJ but if I manually change the url to https://www.google.com/search?q=British+Plant+Gall+Society+wikipedia&gws_rd=cr&ei=n1_TVJyuGo3TaMOOgIgJ then I stay at google.com and it's not included. It's apparently &gws_rd=cr which prevents the redirect, and ei makes no difference. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:32, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::Well the gws_rd=cr seems to bring up a question about whether cookies from google are acceptable, on my system (EU law inspired check), at least some of the time. While
::::::::::I'm pretty sure it's a google issue. Why? Because it doesn't seem consistent, sometimes search terms such as [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22British+Plant+Gall+Society%22+site%3Aen.wikipedia.org "British Plant Gall Society" site:en.wikipedia.org] work to bring up the article, but at other times they don't. It certainly seems that google search brings up sub-optimal results on occasions, the most likely explanation being some degree of bugginess.
::::::::::One factor might be all this domain shifting, e.g. .dk and .co.uk and .com. Now google always checks you geographical location, as you get country specific doodles even if you change the url from .co.uk to .com. Yes many google doodles are localised, but they pretend this is not so, bringing up the same result whatever the url. So basically the url does not give the full picture of the search operation, they also employ location checking algorithms, and possibly cookie related checks etc.. So the same url in two countries may not bring up the same result even if they are identical, and that is through design. --Mrjulesd (talk) 13:31, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:Andy's link works for me. The article is the first one in the list. (I'm in the US.) Andy, did you try WP:BYPASSing your cache? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:35, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
::Yes. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
:Interestingly, having tried the link I gave above again I now see BPGS (which is a redirect) as the first result (using the same machine, still logged in to Google, but on a different IP address). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:56, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Formatting the escape character
What is the suggested way for displaying a escape sequence? I need to illustrate the use of VT55 codes like the string ESCape H ESCape J. I'd like to do it so it is clear that those are escapes and not the three letters ESC, without inserting any whitespace or other formatting that might confuse matters. ESCHESCJ just isn't good enough, and ESC H ESC J is potentially confusing considering that the space is a common value character in VT55 strings. Suggestions? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:30, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:Could you use ␛H␛J or maybe {{keypress|Esc}}H{{keypress|Esc}}J ? Neither are ideal, but they're the best I can think off. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:46, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::The H and J are not obvious. Try {{keypress|Esc}}{{keypress|H}}{{keypress|Esc}}{{keypress|J}} or with commas {{keypress|Esc}},{{keypress|H}},{{keypress|Esc}},{{keypress|J}} - don't use {{keypress|Esc|H|Esc|J}} because that implies that you need to press the keys together. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:51, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::RedRose, as always, nails it. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:Martin, what is that character in the first example? I think that's the solution I'm looking for, but I'm not sure how to generate it. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:12, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::For me, the easiest way to generate anything that's not on my keyboard is by copy-paste. The downside of the first solution is that I find it very very hard to read. It's codepoint U+241B, which is in the Control Pictures block if that is any help. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 15:26, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::It's called [http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/241B/index.htm U+241B "Symbol for Escape"] which you can type as ␛ and looks like this ␛ --Redrose64 (talk) 15:28, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:Of course, it should be pointed out that when a DEC terminal (like a VT55) is sent an escape sequence, the "escape" that must be used is the [http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/001B/index.htm U+001B "Escape"] character itself, not a graphical representation of it. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:33, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::I'm afraid there are no turtles all the way down, and without a clarification any representation of a control character will always be ambiguous. With the VT55 pre-dating unicode by over 15 years, I think the clarification may be omitted without any loss of understanding for the reader (but you still may want to provide reading glasses with any article where you intend to use ␛H␛J) Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 15:47, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Martijn, {{keypress|E}}{{keypress|S}}{{keypress|C}}{{keypress|H}}{{keypress|E}}{{keypress|S}}{{keypress|C}}{{keypress|J}} does not look like a good "way for displaying a escape sequence" (OP). -DePiep (talk) 16:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::::It doesn't look like a particularly good way for displaying an escape sequence to me either. Why would you suggest that? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 16:20, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::That was incomplete of me. I mean to say that the letter sequence in your prelast post does not say that "esc" is a single character. The "keys" do so. (Still trying to understand whether you meant that old VT55 then is better than Unicode representation). btw I think Maury Markowitz already used the answer(s). -DePiep (talk) 19:08, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::Which one? I guess one can argue about semantics (what is a character?) but for most definitions, ␛ definitely is a single character. The keys template on the other hand doesn't say anything about single characters, but about keypresses. I'm not sure about the details, but for a fairly dumb terminal like the VT55, the two are likely completely interchangable. And no, I'm not saying that the old VT55 is better than Unicode representation (that would be silly), I'm saying very few would think in the context of a VT55 that when showing ␛ in an escape sequence would mean you need to enter ␛ rather than the escape character for which ␛ is a visual representation, because the VT55 predates the ␛ character in Unicode. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 19:37, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Contributions link at the top of articles is an outdated link
The contributions link that appears at the top of pages goes to [https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/articleinfo/?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&grouped=on&page=Rheumatoid_arthritis this page] which HTTP-redirects to [https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-articleinfo/index.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&grouped=on&page=Rheumatoid_arthritis this page] which doesn't give the stats on the article until the user manually types it it. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 15:54, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:Eh? For me, the link is contributions. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:06, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::That's not what I'm talking about. Some of our pages have a "contributors" link at the top, just to the right of "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia", such as Rheumatoid arthritis. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 16:42, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::I don't see any such link on Monobook, but it is in :Category:Articles with contributors link. Template:Infobox disease is adding that category, but I still don't see where the link comes from (or why it's not displaying for me). I used to be better at this. Thanks, Lua! --NE2 16:56, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::I also don't see a link at Rheumatoid arthritis using MonoBook; but now that you mention some of its characteristics (exact position, not on all articles, example being that of a disease), I recall Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 113#Adding a link to "authors" in Wikipedia's by-line which spilled onto other pages, such as this discussion from a few months ago, User talk:TheDJ/Archive 10#Gadget and MediaWiki talk:Gadgets-definition#WP MED 3 month trial. I think that the page to fix is MediaWiki:Gadget-ContributorsHack.js, and the gadget was put together by {{user|TheDJ}}. Note that contributors ≠ contributions. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:07, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::::Can you add an explanation to :Category:Articles with contributors link? --NE2 17:50, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::{{replyto|NE2}} How's {{diff|Category:Articles with contributors link|prev|645785707|this}}? --Redrose64 (talk) 19:40, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. --NE2 19:41, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- Not directly related to {{U|Oiyarbepsy}}'s redirect issue, but I'll note that {{U|Cyberpower678}} is working on getting the "login" feature working and -articleinfo may be down at various times during the day if it works at all until he is done. I suppose I'll start an internal discussion about how we let the community when there are going to be known/expected outages and how we report unexpected outages that may take awhile to fix to the community. I don't think the current way it is being dealt with is very good or appropriate
<badhumor> and we need to set a much better example for the foundation to follow about communicating with communities about changes and outages </badhumor>. —{{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c)18:04, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Strange
Just a few minutes ago, I was having trouble logging in. Whenever I tried to (on any WMF site), I got a message that said the login token was expired/invalid, or something like that. Obviously, I finally succeeded, but I'm just curious if anyone else had the same problem. --Biblioworm 18:06, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:I suspect a widespread server issue. For over 30 minutes from 17:20 (UTC) all Wikimedia sites (incl. English Wikipedia, commons:, meta:, mw: were throwing a HTTP 503 error. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:08, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:When I logged in it gave me the same message but it still logged me in. -- GB fan 18:10, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- Likewise for me. It started as the problem described just above at #503 Service Unavailable, and then the login problem seemed to happen as the site was starting to come back up, but not yet all the way back up. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:21, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Rangeblock calculator down
The rangeblock calculator linked from the bottom of mw:Help:Range blocks returns [https://tools.wmflabs.org/blockcalc/ "No webservice"]. Digging in the archives, I found a link to [http://bonomo.info/coyote/ip-calculator.php this one], which works, but is there any word on the wmflabs one? JohnCD (talk) 19:04, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- {{U|JohnCD|John}}, I'm guessing the outage killed the webservice and {{U|C-M}} or {{U|Prolineserver}} will have to restart it. —
{{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c)19:17, 5 February 2015 (UTC) - I started a module to calculate IPv4 ranges when I saw a report about this problem a few weeks ago, but when I mentioned it at Template talk:Blockcalc some much better tools were mentioned. Johnuniq (talk) 21:18, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- I restarted the webservice, it should work now. --Prolineserver (talk) 12:57, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Xtools
[http://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/index.php] does not actually show the stats when you put in a username: you put in the username and it goes back to the username selecting screen. Tried with various usernames to make sure it is not the result of a bad character or something. KonveyorBelt 00:56, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
- {{U|Cyberpower678}} has been working on getting the login feature to work. I've been unable to reach him for a status update, but will report back here as soon as I have. —
{{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c)01:04, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
::I had this happen just after the power outage but it worked when I tried it a few minutes ago. MarnetteD|Talk 06:57, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Random "Status read failed: Connection reset by peer" errors while using the API
I have a bot which mostly operates on [http://he.wikisource.org Hebrew Wikisource]. Recently it stopped to work because of random "connection reset by peer" errors. I checked that this error also happens when I try to use the bot in English Wikipedia. I [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87218 reported the error on Phabricator] but they said it probably does not belong there. Can you please tell me, where can I report this bug? --Erel Segal (talk) 06:52, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
:Does the problem also happen when you use a different internet provider? --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 12:36, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
VisualEditor on Wikipedia namespace pages
Can someone enable VE on these pages? It is difficult to edit things like WP:SCREENSHOT and VE would be very appreciated. --RezonansowyakaRezy (talk | contribs) 13:01, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:{{red|Hello, anyone?}} --RezonansowyakaRezy (talk | contribs) 14:26, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
:: VisualEditor can be enabled on additional namespaces only via a configuration change. Please file a request on Phabricator (guide: m:Requesting wiki configuration changes), preferably after gathering community support at WP:VPR, as the community of this wiki has proven unreceptive to usability improvements in the past. :) Matma Rex talk 21:09, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
:::The main concern is that VisualEditor cannot sign comments, and many pages in the Wikipedia: namespace (like this one) are discussions. This might confuse editors, especially inexperienced ones.
:::As a workaround, you can copy any page into your userspace, make the changes in VisualEditor, and then transfer the contents back to the correct location afterwards. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:26, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
::::I assume it is possible to make a blacklist of page titles which are used for discussion, and enable the Visual Editor on Wikipedia namespace pages which are not in the list (or which do not match regexes in the list, if we need to deal with subpages). Helder 17:07, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::It might be possible to create that capability, but currently a per-page blacklist is not possible. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:26, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Rollback issues
Hello. I often use Twinkle to rollback some edits but the last couple of months the action cannot get completed. I didn't have this issue in the past, only the last couple of months. I thought it might "go away" and gets solve by itself but the issue still exists. I don't know if I did something that caused this. Any help would be useful. In more details; when I click "OK" after I write the summary for the rollback, the action stops at:
"Grabbing data of earlier revisions: revision ....
Info: Opening user talk page edit form for user ...."
I even waited for minutes in case that it just needed more time to complete the action but nothing happens. Any idea why is this happening and how can I fix it? Thank you TeamGale (talk) 16:47, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:What is in the browser console? Ruslik_Zero 19:56, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
::I am sorry, I forgot to add it. Firefox 35.0.1 W8 TeamGale (talk) 07:36, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
:::See https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Web_Console how to get debug information. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 23:05, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
::::Thanks. I'll take a look and I hope I'll get something out of it because I am not really good with technical things. If there is something simpler it is welcome. Thanks again. TeamGale (talk) 21:53, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Module Citation Style 1 not accepting the 2015 format for arXiv identifiers
Module:Citation/CS1 is borked. It's been that way for a while now. There doesn't seem to be any updates appearing in the talk pages. Can someone fix this? {{user|ReferenceBot}} emits error messages onto user talk pages when it encounters perfectly valid arXiv IDs in citation templates that our citation module does not recognize, which may discourage editors from contributing, since they are valid identifiers, but are not being accepted and they receive warnings for doing perfectly valid edits.
ie. CITE JOURNAL
{{cite journal|title=A possible close supermassive black-hole binary in a quasar with optical periodicity|arxiv=1501.01375}}
this is perfectly valid, and exists at http://arxiv.org/abs/1501.01375
-- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 23:25, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
;Reference Errors on 4 February
File:Information.svg Hello, I'm ReferenceBot. I have automatically detected that an edit performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. {{#ifeq:1|1|It is|They are}} as follows:
- On the :Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) page, [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=645673155 your edit] caused an arXiv error (help). ([{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)|action=edit&minor=minor&summary=Fixing+reference+error+raised+by+%5B%5BUser%3AReferenceBot%7CReferenceBot%5D%5D}} Fix] | [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit§ion=new&preload=User:ReferenceBot/helpform&preloadtitle=Referencing%20errors%20on%20%5B%5BSpecial%3ADiff%2F645673155%7C{{Replace|Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)| |%20}}%5D%5D Ask for help])
Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=User:A930913/RBpreload&editintro=User:A930913/RBeditintro&minor=&title=User_talk:A930913&preloadtitle=ReferenceBot%20–%20{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}§ion=new report it to my operator].
Thanks, ReferenceBot (talk) 00:20, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:You mention Module:Citation/CS1; its talk page has a discussion on the matter at Module talk:Citation/CS1/Archive 11#2015 arxiv errors. There are also threads at Help talk:Citation Style 1 and in the archives of this page. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:34, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
::There's been no update on any of those threads in weeks, meanwhile, ReferenceBot is still throwing these [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:70.51.200.101&oldid=645679397] incorrect error warnings. -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 06:17, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
So anyone know when (if) this will be fixed? As I said before, there's been no status updates for weeks. The error has been known for over a month, and more and more material is published on arXiv all the time since the start of 2015, which will result in more and more Wikipedia articles carrying error messages, and more and more editors receiving incorrect error warnings from ReferenceBot, possibly discouraging editors from participating, as they may never understand why they are being warned, and thus just quit. This should be a serious editor retention issue. -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 23:09, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Praise be to FRAC
I wish I knew about this earlier. To whomever wrote this, thank you!. Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:28, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:{{ping|Maury Markowitz}} What's FRAC? — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 02:25, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::{{frac|2|7}}. It is my new god. Maury Markowitz (talk) 03:19, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::::So you don't have to hit "edit source" like I did, he's talking about {{tl|frac}} Oiyarbepsy (talk) 05:33, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::I had to edit to figure out how you did that! Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:49, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::So everyone gets to know about a new template! I didn't know about {{tl|frac}}, but love it. {{ping|Maury Markowitz}} You might also like {{tl|tlx}} and {{tl|para}} if you liked {{u|Oiyarbepsy}}'s use of {{tl|tl}}. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 21:55, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Wrong message trying to rv a Move
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In short: a Move is listed in page History. Clicking its "undo" link gives an incorrect 'done' message. -DePiep (talk) 13:28, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
I tried to revert an undesired move. In the page's history, {{History|Vowel chart with audio examples}}, the Move shows (10:55 today) and I clicked its "undo" link. I then got an edit screen, with a red message in top: "The edit appears to have already been undone." So all fine I thought, and I left the page without saving anything. However, afterwards it appears that the Move was not undone. So the message is incorrect. I think that should be corrected. I did not try to save that edit screen (because, what would that do?). (Note: I requested the reversal at WP:RM by now, but that is not the issue). -DePiep (talk) 12:16, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:Interesting. Moving a page leaves a "pseudo edit" with only an edit summary of the move. The move itself isn't recorded as an edit. The undo link attempts to undo the pseudo-edit, but not the move itself, and results in the - broken - behavior you describe, presumably because the undo option finds that the previous revision is identical to the current revision, it thinks that the edit can't be reverted, and displays the unhelpful message. To fix the problem itself; you should be able to move the page back over the redirect yourself, as long as there are no new revisions on the redirect the move created. As for the behaviour of the undo link, I'll file a bug for that. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 12:29, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::Your phab:T88680 is a duplicate of phab:T6433. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:43, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Hot damn you're fast. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 12:45, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::::See also Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 131#Simple Move. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:03, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::Why not change the message text right away? -DePiep (talk) 16:05, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::Because the message text "{{int:undo-nochange}}" has no way of knowing that you are trying to undo a page move. You get exactly the same message if you try to undo a normal edit that was already undone, such as {{diff|Fudge|prev|645766923|this one}}. Somehow, the software needs changing so that it can distinguish a move from a normal edit. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:28, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::::I can understand that. Then, is it not an easier solution to make software detect such a "null record" and report accordingly? At least, that does not involve any change to the page(s) to take care of. A different bug maybe. -DePiep (talk) 19:04, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::::There's nothing that we can do here. It's for the devs to fix, which means a feature request on phabricator; you could try commenting on the ticket noted above (phab:T6433). --Redrose64 (talk) 20:05, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::"There's nothing that we can do here". I knew, before. Something hope tells me some dev reads this page. I'll have to make that wikizilla account to communicate. -DePiep (talk) 22:05, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
{{od}} closed. -DePiep (talk) 22:05, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
:{{replyto|DePiep}} You don't need to make a "wikizilla" account - or any other kind of account. Phabricator uses your existing Wikipedia login. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:12, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
::Aha, bugzilla has been replaced. Nice. -DePiep (talk) 10:12, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Security warning
I get a security warning: Do you want to view only the webpage content that was delivered securely?
I have not had that before on wiki. Is it something with wiki, or is it me?
HandsomeFella (talk) 06:36, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
:It's a combination of your browser, and it being sent a mix of HTTPS and HTTP content. What URL did it occur on? --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:38, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
::It occurs once on every page, every time I access it. For instance now, that I edit this page. HandsomeFella (talk) 06:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Which specific browser and browser version is this about? --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 12:35, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
::::IE 8.0.7601.17514. I must add that this started recently (today). Hasn't been there before. I have also noted that on my watchlist, it only occurs when there's an item that is not marked as visited. Could it be that something with the "bold bullet point" has been changed? It unbolds when you mark all pages visited, and then it doesn't occur again until another page on my watchlist is updated. On the other hand, it occurs every time I preview an edit. HandsomeFella (talk) 16:30, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Infoboxes not correct when using the MonoBook appearance
Infoboxes (and perhaps a few more things) don't show up correctly when using MonoBook as the preferred style here on Wikipedia. Infoboxes show up correctly when Vector, Modern or Cologne Blue is selected. - Takeaway (talk) 20:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
:In what way "not correct" (a screenshot may help)? What's your browser/ OS? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:00, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
:The infobox on Sergio Mattarella looks just fine to me when using Monobook, so I suspect that it may be your computer causing the issue. Hmm... In addition to Andy's question about browser/OS, which particular kind(s) of infoboxes are causing problems? Not all of them use the same base template. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 21:48, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
::File:2015 0206 WP Infobox glitch Windows 7 Chrome browser Monobook.jpg When using Chrome on my laptop running Windows 7, and WP appearance set to MonoBook, infoboxes (all of them as far as I can see) show up incorrectly as in the image on the right. I have no problem seeing the infoboxes displayed correctly when I use Internet Explorer on my computer. They also show up fine with Chrome on Android devices (4.4 and 5.0). - 22:25, 6 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Takeaway (talk • contribs)
:::This may be a hangover from yesterday's outage. Your browser might have retrieved a corrupt CSS file so that not all of the styling is correct, and then cached it so that it affects all pages. Try a WP:BYPASS. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:18, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
:::And also try clearing your cache... Chrome has a tendency to corrupt pages when its cache is full. -- User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 23:31, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
::::I had just cleaned the cache a few days ago but forgot that that might help after yesterday's outage. Thank you very much! CTRL+F5 did the trick! - Takeaway (talk) 23:38, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
::As an aside, I appreciate that no one came running to say that Monobook is not supported, etc. <3 Monobook. Killiondude (talk) 23:56, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
XTools
{{archive top|result=Fixed. EthicallyYours! 07:11, 8 February 2015 (UTC)}}
I was checking random data about my account, and I clicked XTools editcounter. It shows strange data. It shows my first edit to be in year 2099, and total edits to be zero. I have more than 4.5k edits now. It occurred now, check sign data. EthicallyYours! 10:17, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
:It has been as of now, so archiving it myself. EthicallyYours! 07:11, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
{{archive bottom}}
Small text at Special:BookSources
I use MonoBook skin. If I click on an ISBN link, like ISBN 0-86067-103-8 or ISBN 1-871944-17-1 I get to the normal BookSources page - except that the menus in the top and left margins are something like 80% of normal size. I've checked zoom level (which was unlikely to be the problem, since the main text on the page is normal size), and cleared caches; I also get the same problem in Firefox, Opera and IE 8, and happens whether logged in or out. The problem only occurs in MonoBook (to view in MonoBook when logged out, visit [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0860671038?useskin=monobook this link]); and it doesn't happen when visiting Special:BookSources directly - but if I enter a ten- or thirteen-digit number into that ISBN box (it doesn't matter whether I enter a valid ISBN or not) and click {{button|Search}}, the problem appears. Has anybody been altering CSS files? --Redrose64 (talk) 20:49, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
: I see it too. It appears that Special:BookSources is somewhere providing unbalanced HTML which is causing {{tag|div|o|params=id="column-one"}} to get put outside {{tag|div|o|params=id="globalWrapper"}}. Unfortunately the uselang=qqx trick doesn't seem to work on that page, so I can't easily see what messages might need looking at. Anomie⚔ 12:02, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
::It uses Wikipedia:Book sources. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:27, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
::Wikipedia:Book sources transcludes Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Navbox. [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Navbox&diff=646193057&oldid=646189972] fixed it by moving
