Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/English non-league task force
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The primary goal of this project to improve the quality of articles related to English non-league football. This page and its sub-pages describe the goals and scope of the task force; list the members of the task force; collate the task force's assessment data; organise mini projects and to-do lists; and keep track of various useful online sources. It is hoped that this project will help to focus the efforts of Wikipedians interested in English non-league football. If you would like to help, have a look at the projects and tasks lower down the page, or inquire on the talk page.
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[[File:Soccer ball.svg|20px]] Main goals
- To increase the standard of Wikipedia's coverage of non-league football
- To provide basic information on notable non-league clubs and competitions
- To provide an area where contributors interested in non-league football can identify each other and discuss any issues
- To organise a collaboration on non-league football, with a view to writing featured articles on the subject
=Scope=
This Task Force aims to improve all articles related to English non-league football. This includes the following:
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| style="text-align:left;"|Club | Played non-league football at some point in its history. | Gillingham F.C. |
| style="text-align:left;"|Player | Played non-league football at some point in his career. | Bert Trautmann |
| style="text-align:left;"|Manager | Managed a non-league football club at some point in their career. | Fred Keenor |
| style="text-align:left;"|Ground | Hosted non-league league games and/or competition finals. | Kenilworth Road |
| style="text-align:left;"|League | Past and present non-league leagues. | West Midlands (Regional) League |
| style="text-align:left;"|Competition | Past and present competitions entered by non-league clubs. | FA Vase |
| style="text-align:left;"|Season | Season articles for above leagues and competitions. Club season articles for seasons spent in non-league. | 2010–11 Northern Premier League 2011–12 York City F.C. season |
| style="text-align:left;"|History | History of above topics. | History of Ipswich Town F.C. |
| style="text-align:left;"|List | Lists related to above topics. | List of Oxford United F.C. players |
[[Image:Nuvola apps kdmconfig.png|20px]] Participants
This is a list of active members. Members who have not edited non-league articles in over six months are considered dormant. Members will be removed if they have not edited non-league articles in over a year.
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|+class=nowrap |Active members (40) |
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!width=25%|Non-league club supported !width=60% class="unsortable"|Relevant stuff you'd like to work on |
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| ChrisTheDude
|None, just general interest |I'm currently working to de-stub all articles in the Conference South and the leagues working down from it..... |
| Mattythewhite
|Conference and York City. |
| Harrias
|Non-league football in the Midlands and Cornwall. |
| Eddie6705
|Southern League, Lower Leagues, Aylesbury United |
| Bald Zebra
|Southern and Wessex League teams, starting with Andover. |
| Jimbo online
|Conference National teams. The top tiers of non-League football, non-League football in Essex, Kent & Greater London. |
| Narom
|Mainly BSP/BSN, but dabble in the NPL and other North West non-league teams/leagues. |
| SBFCEdit
|Stevenage Borough pages and correcting current squads. |
| Half Price
|Sutton United, other Isthmian teams, non-league stadiums (I've been to quite a few!), general tidying. |
| Jeffnz
|Mainly focused on Longwell Green Sports FC (a non league club near Bristol) but also some edits to the Western League |
| Delusion23
|Northern Premier League topics. |
| Bretonbanquet
|Conf/Southern/Isthmian/Northern league tables, stats for ex-Orient players |
| Liamtaylor007
|Hyde |Conference National, Hyde F.C., northern non-league football with the occasional edit on the south. |
| David
|Shropshire-related non-league... notably the Mercian Regional Football League page. |
| Stag180
|General non-league football |
| MCMXCsports
|UCL, P&DFL and anything within this region, But will help elsewhere. |
| BigDom
|North West Counties League, specifically the East Lancs teams |
| Cazza3012
|Romsey Town, the Wessex League and Hampshire League. |
| Thekidpsd
| |Conference, Isthmian, Southern and Northern Premier Leagues. |
| Sunderland06
|Non-league, local football |
| Zanoni
|None, just general interest |Transfers, squad updates - focusing on the North West |
| Babylon77
|None, just general interest. (West Ham is my Supported club) |Southern & Greater London non-league football clubs |
| GauchoDude
|Weston-super-Mare. |
| Greverod
|Worcestershire football, or anything. |
| Rillington
|Yorkshire, north Midlands, north west and north east England. |
| Catgamer
|None, just general interest |Eastern Counties, Essex Senior, Hellenic, Kent, Midland, Northern Counties East, Spartan South Midlands, Sussex. |
| Footballgy
|Lincolnshire clubs, general tidys, updating transfers, expanding player intro sections and keeping an eye out for vandals. |
| Arthur7171
|None, just general interest |Football Conference, Northern Counties East Football League, Northern Premier League & United Counties League |
| Æthelred
|West Midlands area, updates and citation, general tidy up and spelling / grammar. |
| drawoh46
|Predominantly North West Counties League and its constituent teams, but also have an interest in other leagues, particularly those at step 5. |
| dfcfozz
|Predominantly Darlington 1883, Northern League, Wearside League and Northern Alliance |
| Montgomery15
|Career stats of players, Gosport Borough-related stuff, spelling and/or grammatical improvements where required. |
| Kivo
|Kiveton Park, Worksop Town and a few others |Have revamped all pages for non-league clubs in South Yorkshire |
| BoroFan89
|Eastbourne clubs and player articles |
| Thinkingsam
|Tiverton Town F.C., Stockport County F.C. |De-stubs, non-league grounds, Devon non-league, general improvement of existing articles |
| JonnyDKeen
|Altrincham, also North West Counties and Northern Premier League clubs as well as anyone else I might visit on away days or whilst groundhopping. |
| EddersGTI
|Sussex County League, Eastbourne Town and other Sussex related clubs. |
| CybJubal
|Southern League, mainly SL Division One Central and whatever WGC is involved in. If needed I will assist with other leagues and clubs. |
| Fishygy
|None - General Interest |Interested in adding season articles for teams formerly in non-league/currently in non-league |
Members who have not been active on non-league football pages for over six months, but have edited them in the last year.
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|+class=nowrap |Dormant members (3) |
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!width=25%|Non-league club supported !width=60% class="unsortable"|Relevant stuff you'd like to work on |
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| WMcDuff
|Ashington and some Northern League stuff. |
| Gasheadsteve
|Anything |
| CU4ever
|None, just general interest |Conference clubs, and player articles |
[[File:Featured Article Star.svg|20px]] Showcase
Some of the articles supported by the English non-league task force have reached featured article or featured list status (FA and FL, respectively), meaning they are amongst the very best content in Wikipedia. They are listed below; a bold title indicates the article was "today's featured article" or "today's featured list" for the date listed. Also included here are articles that are featured article candidates (FAC) that failed, those that have undergone peer review (PR) as part of an effort to get them to FA status, and those that have achieved good article (GA) status, the next-highest level of quality.
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|14px Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. |Featured Article |PR |FAC |
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|14px York City F.C. (August 26, 2007) |Featured Article |PR |FAC |
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|14px History of York City F.C. (1980–present) |Featured Article | |FAC |
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|14px List of Luton Town F.C. managers |Featured List | |FLC |
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|14px List of Oxford United F.C. managers |Featured List |PR |FLC |
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|14px List of Lincoln City F.C. players |Featured List | |FLC |
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|14px List of York City F.C. players |Featured List |PR |FLC |
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|14px List of York City F.C. players (25–99 appearances) |Featured List | |FLC |
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|14px List of York City F.C. players (1–24 appearances) |Featured List | |FLC |
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|14px List of F.C. United of Manchester seasons |Featured List | |FLC |
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|14px List of Lincoln City F.C. seasons |Featured List | |FLC |
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|14px List of Luton Town F.C. seasons |Featured List | |FLC |
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|14px List of Margate F.C. seasons |Featured List |PR |FLC |
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|14px List of Nelson F.C. seasons |Featured List | |FLC |
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|14px List of Scarborough F.C. seasons |Featured List |PR |FLC |
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|14px List of Luton Town F.C. records and statistics |Featured List | |FLC |
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|14px List of York City F.C. records and statistics |Featured List |FLC |
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|14px Luton Town F.C. league record by opponent |Featured List | |FLC |
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|14px York City F.C. league record by opponent |Featured List | |FLC |
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|14px List of FA Amateur Cup finals |Featured List |PR |FLC |
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|14px List of FA Trophy finals |Featured List |PR |FLC |
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|14px York City F.C. Clubman of the Year |Featured List | |FLC |
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=Recent achievements=
Successful FACs, FARs, GANs, GARs, or milestones in the last year:
- List of F.C. United of Manchester seasons became a featured list on 20 April 2016
- History of York City F.C. (1980–present) became a featured article on 11 March 2016
- Adam Stansfield became a good article on 13 February 2016
- Broadhurst Park became a good article on 2 January 2016
- Bootham Crescent became a featured article on 7 October 2015
- James Crumley (footballer) became a good article on 2 September 2015
For past achievements please see the archive.
=Club articles=
Improve your favourite club's article, and put them on the map! There are only eight current and former non-league clubs with Featured Articles, and ten current and former non-league clubs with Good Articles.
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[[File:Nuvola apps kpdf.png|20px]] Assessment department
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[[File:Nuvola apps korganizer.svg|20px]] Projects
{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/English non-league task force/To do}}
- Reduce number of clubs stubs: (see :Category:English football club stubs) As of 14 May 2015 there are around 284 (
414,352,327,318,286,276,247,215,174,157,137,123) English non-league football club stubs (26 extant clubs). If all participants aimed to make one club article per day non-stub, then it would not take long (5 days to be precise!). Things a club page should have to be made non-stub: - * Details of league played in, and rough geographic location (county/borough).
- * Completed infobox
- * Brief history, honours list and club records ([http://www.fchd.info/ Football Club History Database] is useful here, but always cite your sources)
- * Link to club website
- * League template (where there is one – see here for current list)
- : See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lutterworth_Athletic_F.C.&oldid=507686796 Lutterworth Athletic F.C.] for an example of an article with the minimum for non-stub status.
- : Letter of month: B There are just two extant non-league club stubs starting with the letter B: Belper United F.C., Broadfields United F.C.
- : In the past the project has de-stubbed all of the extant clubs starting with E, J and R!
- * See Club stubs by league for a list of clubs by league.
- Expand league articles: Any league article should include:
- * {{tl|Infobox football league}}
- * Geographic area covered
- * Current number of divisions / teams.
- * Recent champions, if not all.
- * League template (for all divisions), plus promotion/relegation info
- * External link
- * A list of stub league articles can be found at :Category:English football competition stubs (as of 14 May 2015 there are 98)
- * Most of the articles for leagues at level 10 or below are so far only start class. Midland Football Alliance is an example of what to eventually aim for.
- Create all season articles for Step 3–4 (levels 7–8): 225/253 (89%)''' – as of 23 December 2013
- *Northern Premier League – 48/48 (100%) {{done}}
- *Southern Football League – 113/113 (100%) {{done}}
- *Isthmian League – 101/101 (100%) {{done}}
- Add club badges for every team down to level 10: 611/611 (100%)''' – as of 2 December 2012
- *All step 9–10 leagues {{done}}
- *See the list of club articles needing badges for which articles need attention
Please feel free to add any new projects you think the taskforce should focus on.
[[File:Stub manutenzione.png|20px]] Adopt an article
Similar to the Collaboration of the week, but on a smaller scale, you might want to "adopt" an article. This would involve doing the research, writing, and picture-taking (if possible) for either a non-existent article or a stub. Of course, everyone else can still edit an adopted article, and you can work on other things too, but the idea is to find a focus for a while, to try and build up the number of quality articles the Project has produced.
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| Article !User !Aim | ||
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| style="text-align:left;"|Clayton Donaldson | Mattythewhite | |
| style="text-align:left;"|Southern League Division One Midlands | Eddie6705 | |
| style="text-align:left;"|Shaun Whalley | Liamtaylor007 | |
| style="text-align:left;"|Kaid Mohamed | Liamtaylor007 | |
| style="text-align:left;"|F.C. United of Manchester | Delusion23 | Get to FA class |
| style="text-align:left;"|Ashington A.F.C. | wmcduff | Get to GA class |
| style="text-align:left;"|Romsey Town F.C. | Cazza3012 | Get to GA class. |
[[File:Nuvola apps display.png|20px]] Online resources
The following table shows useful, reliable sources that have been shared by our members to mutually improve the coverage of Non-League football. Websites listed here include primary, secondary and tertiary source material on football team statistics, attendances, kits and ground. Members may wish to refer to this section to gather material for developing pages. please feel free to add any new sources which you have found helpful.
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| style="text-align:left;"|[http://www.fchd.info/ The Football History Database] | Statistics on past team seasons in the league, FA Cup, FA Trophy and FA Vase | *History *Honours *Records | Updated all the way to 2010–11 Goes down to approx. level 11–12. |
| style="text-align:left;"|[http://www.rsssf.com/country.html#full The Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation] | Historical league table archive | *Seasons | English leagues down to level 10, most all the way back to first season |
| style="text-align:left;"|[http://www.tonykempster.co.uk/ Tony's English Football Site] | Statistics on league seasons. Attendances for low leagues. | *Seasons *Result grids *Attendances | Not updated past season 2008–09. Goes back to season 1997–98. Goes down to levels 10–11. |
| style="text-align:left;"|[http://www.mikeavery.co.uk/ Mike Avery Non-League Football Site] | Season 2009–10 replacement for Tony's Football Site | *2009–10 season *Attendances *Results | Down to levels 12–14. |
| style="text-align:left;"|[http://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/ Non-League Matters] | Seasons from 2010–11 onwards. | *Very recent seasons *Attendances *Results | Down to level 15. |
| style="text-align:left;"|[http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/English_Football_League/index.html Historical kits] | Kits through history with pictures and descriptions. | *Kit designs | Only old (i.e. Victorian) or high level non-league clubs present. |
| style="text-align:left;"|[http://www.conferencegrounds.co.uk/ Conference grounds] | Guide to Football Conference National grounds. | *Ground info | |
| style="text-align:left;"|[http://www.staff.city.ac.uk/~sc397/football/nl/ English Non-League Archive 1965–98] | Archive of Conference, NPL, Southern and Isthmian League seasons. Some cup results, | *Levels 5–8 seasons | Only between 1965–98. Only down to level 8 (or 7 as it was at the time) |
Templates
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| Banner for talk pages | {{Football|non-league=high|category=no}} |
| League templates | see User:Tompw/leaguetemplates |
| Userbox | {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/English non-league task force/userbox}} |
| Invite | {{Template:WPFOOTY-englishnon-leaguefootballtaskforce-invite}} |
Categories
- :Category:Football competitions in England
- Levels 5–6
- :National League (English football)
- Levels 7–8
- :Category:Isthmian League
- :Category:Northern Premier League
- :Category:Southern Football League
- Levels 9–10
- :Category:Eastern Counties Football League
- :Category:Hellenic Football League
- :Category:Midland Football Alliance
- :Category:Northern Counties East Football League
- :Category:Northern Football League
- :Category:North West Counties Football League
- :Category:Southern Counties East Football League
- :Category:Spartan South Midlands Football League
- :Category:Sussex County Football League
- :Category:United Counties League
- :Category:Wessex Football League
- :Category:Western Football League
- :Category:West Midlands (Regional) League
- Levels <10
- See list at :Category:Football leagues in England
- Cup competitions
- :Category:County Cup competitions
- :Category:FA Cup
- :Category:FA Trophy
- :Category:FA Vase
Major articles on non-League football
- Main Article
- Non-League football
- '''League System
- English football league system
- History of the English football league system
- National League System
- Level 5
- Conference National
- Level 6
- Conference North
- Conference South
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- FA Trophy
- FA Vase
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