Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2009/March#Nagorno-Karabakh

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upmerged templates and two categories should push over 60. Waacstats (talk) 20:15, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

• Add a {{Cl|Qatari sportspeople stubs}} from various upmerged templates. Waacstats (talk) 22:55, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

:Yes Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

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{{sfp top|create upmerged Czechoslovakia-stub, proceed with caution}}

Former country stub. [http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=Czechoslovakia&basedeep=3&mode=ss&size=512&stubop=or&links=4&go=Scan&format=html&userlang=en CatScan found 67 articles].--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:49, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

• When youtake out the less than 4 links it goes down to 50, also see comment below. Waacstats (talk) 20:19, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I actually think this would be a very much needed template. I would support it. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

:I support it as well but as I say below, we need to be careful of what is included. It might need to be upmerged to {{Cl|Europe stubs}} until we get to 60, I also think that anything that relates to only one of the currently independent states , should be tagged with that state almost regardless of the period it relates. (eg a mayor of Prague should get a CzechRepublic-politician-stub even if he served when it was the capital of Czechoslovakia). Waacstats (talk) 12:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

:Support - also, any chance of DDR stubs? --MacRusgail (talk) 16:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

::We should likely start by introducing :Category:East Germany as main category for East Germany. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 02:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

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Former country stub. [http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=Austria-Hungary&basedeep=3&mode=ss&size=512&stubop=or&links=4&go=Scan&format=html&userlang=en CatScan found 156 articles].--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:49, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

• I have nothing against former nation stubs. However having looked at the first 10 articles I think 6/7 of them are probably not related to the Empire. If 60 articles can be found, then I think a note on the category to the effect that only articles related to the Empire. Waacstats (talk) 20:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
• Indeed, the category system fails somewhat here, but still I can see quite a few articles that could use this category. After, AH was a modern European country with over a century of history - I am sure there will be more then 50 stubs for years to come. Here are some subcategories that total about 40 stubs: [http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=+Culture+of+Austria-Hungary&basedeep=2&mode=ss&size=512&stubop=or&links=4&go=Scan&format=html&userlang=en], [http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=History+of+Austria-Hungary&basedeep=2&mode=ss&size=512&stubop=or&links=4&go=Scan&format=html&userlang=en], [http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=Politics+of+Austria-Hungary&basedeep=2&mode=ss&size=512&stubop=or&links=4&go=Scan&format=html&userlang=en]. Further, I can point out one error with current stub categories: :Category:Austro-Hungarian people is underutilized; I can think of many bios of Polish people from AH partition that were never categorized in it as I (having written dozens of such bios) didn't realize it existed. I could've used such an AH stub on many an article. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 02:02, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
• I'm a little uneasy about starting stub types for "defunct countries", as it were, but if we do, this should comply with the naming conventions for stubs and be at {{tl|AustriaHungary-stub}} - or even at {{tl|AustroHungarianEmpire-stub}}, since that seems to be more pertinent to what the stub would actually be for. Grutness...wha? 22:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
• As the name of the nation is Austria–Hungary, I think it AustriaHungary-stub would be more correct.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 02:02, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

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Somebody is using insect-stub too much. A potential 1800 articles. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 17:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

:Support - no interest in earwigs personally, but you make a good case.--MacRusgail (talk) 16:40, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

::Support template but as we only have 33 articles in {{Cl|Earwigs}} we probably need to wait for someone to go on an article creation drive for the category. Waacstats (talk) 13:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

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At present we only have {{tl|Economist-stub}} and American. 550 stubs, should create templates for most of the European countries and Russia and some Asian countries like India etc. It is likely several will be viable for new categories. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:54, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

:Support for some of the major nations. Waacstats (talk) 20:37, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking something like the following:

• {{tl|UK-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|Canada-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|Germany-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|Switzerland-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|Austria-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|Italy-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|France-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|Russia-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|CzechRepublic-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|Spain-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|Portugal-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|Netherlands-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|Belgium-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|Norway-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|Sweden-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|Finland-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|China-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|Mexico-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|Brazil-economist-stub}}
• {{tl|India-economist-stub}}

::A quick catscan suggests dropping Switzerland, CzechRepublic, Portugal, Netherlands, Finland and Brazil (<4 articles) and adding Japan and Poland to that list. Waacstats (talk) 10:49, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

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Different stubs must be created for Redcar & Cleveland schools, Stockton and Middlesbrough schools.

Technically, these schools aren't in Yorkshire and Humber but confusingly are in Yorkshire.

Perhaps categories should also be made for North Yorkshire schools etc. Computerjoe's talk 16:01, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

:Support templates, probably upmerged to {{Cl|North East England school stubs}}. Waacstats (talk) 20:38, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

::Is there any reason why the schools categories use a different county scheme to all the other stub types split by county (e.g., -struct-, -geo-)? Grutness...wha? 22:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't know. But, at any rate, if the schools were to be tagged as Yorkshire, they would stil be in Yorkshire and Humber categories higher up, when some are in the North East. Computerjoe's talk 06:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

:::We didn't have enough from any single county when the category was pushing 800 to make a county-school cat viable, so we upmerged to regions, it may be time to look to see if the county cats are viable. Waacstats (talk) 07:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

::::It would make sense. If we did so, we would have to get rid of region-based categories, as North Yorkshire doesn't correspond to the Yorkshire and Humber region. Computerjoe's talk 15:48, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

:::::Perhaps we could have Tees Valley school stubs, comprising Hartlepool, Redcar and Cleveland, Middlesbrough and Stockton? Computerjoe's talk 08:48, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

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Another template goes past the 60 mark, speedy category. Waacstats (talk) 12:18, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Support Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:54, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

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Category is approaching 500 and with a bit of attention, most to all of the templates should surpass 60. Propose categories for all over 60.--TM 23:24, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

:Nevermind, apparently this was proposed and accepted back in November--TM 23:45, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

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UPmerged template has >60 articles. Propose category. Speedy?Waacstats (talk) 16:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

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we have an upmerged template with 60 articles. Speedy? Waacstats (talk) 11:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

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{{sfp top|create NagornoKarabakh-stub & cat; upmerged templates for -geo- and -bio- for now}}

{{tl|Nagorno-Karabakh-stub}}

Articles: virtually all articles in Category:Nagorno-Karabakh. I have found these stubs that are not necessarily within the category. (there are many more, including some within the category)

• Community for Democracy and Human Rights
• Janapar
• Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast
• Principality of Khachen
• Kingdom of Artsakh
• Melik
• History of Nagorno-Karabakh (1918-1923)
• Coat of arms of Nagorno-Karabakh
• Flag of Nagorno-Karabakh
• Administrative divisions of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic
• Askeran
• Askeran (town)
• Hadrut
• Martakert
• Mardakert (town)
• Surp Hovhannes Mkrtich
• Sarsang reservoir
• Shahumian
• Aşağı Ağcakənd
• Shushi (province)
• Shusha
• Karabakh
• Martuni
• Amaras Monastery
• Martuni (town)
• Qashatagh Province
• Lachin corridor
• Khojali (city)
• Arkadi Ghukasyan
• Arkady Ter-Tadevosyan
• Artsakh State Museum

That was thirty. A few more while I am on it, but I am running out of time:

• We Are Our Mountains
• Norashen, Hadrut
• Azerbaijani administrative divisions of Nagorno-Karabakh

--189.121.183.72 (talk) 22:14, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

:Not an outright yes or no, but some general comments:

:1) We don't normally have stub types for disputed regions, since edit-warring is always a possibility (and that can have far more far-reaching consequences on templates and categories than it can on articles. Having said that, N-K is a relatively stable region in itself compared to some others that have been turned down.

:2) 30 would be enough for a separate template (or more, see below), but not for a separate stub category.

:3) By stub naming conventions, this should be {{tl|NagornoKarabakh-stub}}, with no hyphen before the K.

:4) We generally try to split items ASAP into general and geography stubs (with bio-stubs soon after). As such, if this were to be accepted, I'd propose not only {{tl|NagornoKarabakh-stub}}, but also {{tl|NagornoKarabakh-geo-stub}} and possibly {{tl|NagornoKarabakh-bio-stub}}.

:Grutness...wha? 22:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

::Okay, I'm not sure what you mean by stubs for disputed regions. Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Transnistria all have their own stubs, but I'll go on finding more stubs. As for the technicalities of actually creating the stub, I'm not sure I can make it (I am an IP user).--189.121.183.72 (talk) 19:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

:::...and if you look in the archives of WP:SFD you will find that they've all been the subject of ongoing disputes (the stub types, that is, not the regions). You'll also discover that several other similar types, e.g., for Turkish Northern Cyprus, have been deleted in the past for exactly these reasons. Grutness...wha? 00:46, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

::::Alright then, so what do we do? Do we just wait for someone to raise a complaint? By the way, I couldn't find the discussions you referred to. Could you send me direct links to their sections?--189.121.183.72 (talk) 21:41, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::Best thing to do is probably see whether any other WP:WSS regular has anything to say about the matter. I'm not as active here as I used to be, and things may well have changed enough that stub-sorters are more lenient on this sort of type now. As for links, there are many - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/2008/August/28 South Ossetia], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/2007/January/8#.7B.7BAbkhazia-stub.7D.7D_.2F_Cat:Abkhazia_stubs Abkhazia], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/Archive/May_2007#Cat:Chechen_people_stubs Chechnya], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/2007/August/6 North Cyprus here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/2006/September/29 here]... The most complicated series of problems was probably that with the Kosovo stub types (some of the links can be found [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3AKosovo-geo-stub&namespace=4 here]). Grutness...wha? 21:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Continuing,

• Albert Agarunov
• Capture of Aghdam
• Stepan Aghajanian
• Ghazaros Aghayan
• Salatyn Asgarova
• Demographics of Nagorno-Karabakh Republic
• Economy of Nagorno-Karabakh

40

• Leonid Azkaldian
• Azykh Cave
• FK Karabakh
• Çıraqlı, Lachin
• Ağalaruşağı
• Ağanus
• Ağbulaq, Lachin

(I think listing more from Template:Lachin Rayon is a little cheap, so I will contine without it)

• Zangilan Rayon
• Vagharsh Vagharshian
• Vagazin

50

• United Nations Security Council Resolution 884
• Minkend
• Arkady Ter-Tadevosyan
• Mardakert and Martuni Offensives
• Law enforcement in Nagorno-Karabakh Republic
• Languages of Nagorno-Karabakh
• Sheylanli tribe
• Kurdistan Uyezd
• Kurdhaji (Lachin)
• Garo Kahkejian

60

• Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army
• Oghuldara
• Hakob Gyurjian
• Asta Garabaghi
• Music of Nagorno-Karabakh

That was 65. There are hundreds of more geographic and biographical stubs that can be added to this list. Is this good enough?--189.121.183.72 (talk) 20:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

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I count over 80 stubs. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

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Propose {{Tl|Russia-volleyball-bio-stub}} and {{Cl|Russian volleyball biography stubs}}. Catscan shows 69 articles. Waacstats (talk) 12:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Yep you sports enthuasiast you Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

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uperged template exicts with 60 articles propose cat (Speedy). Waacstats (talk) 12:16, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

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• {{tl|Parliamentary-procedure-stub}} / {{Cl|Stub-Class Parliamentary Procedure articles}}

Parliamentary Procedure Project primary topic. At least 60 stubs sorted.

:Jonathunder (talk) 03:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

• Strong oppose. Not only is there a confound between stub categories and Stub-Class categories (which are completely different things), but this cuts across the concept of splitting government-related stubs by nation, which has been done for a considerfable length of time and has a very large number of precedents. This stub type shoulden't exist for that second reason, and the category definitely shouldn't exist as a receptacle for stubs. Oh, and what's with proposing a stub type which appears to have already been made? Grutness...wha? 09:24, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
• Stub tempaltes feed into stub cats, stub-class cats are fed by wikiproject talkpage templates which are we being asked for here? Stub-class cat would only need to be agreed by the specific wikiproject. As for the stub template I have to agree with grutness splitting by nation is probably best. Waacstats (talk) 12:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

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The following upmerged tempaltes all have 60+ articles propose speedy cats.

• {{tl|Louisiana-road-stub}} / {{Cl|Louisiana road stubs}}
• {{tl|NorthCarolina-road-stub}} / {{Cl|North Carolina road stubs}}
• {{tl|Arkansas-road-stub}} / {{Cl|Arkansas road stubs}}
• {{tl|Colorado-road-stub}} / {{Cl|Colorado road stubs}}

Waacstats (talk) 13:40, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

:Strong Support... Sounds good to me. L07ChLeo3 (talk) 21:16, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Def. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:34, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

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Propose giving the following categories upmerged by nation templates

• {{Cl|Asian baseball biography stubs}}
• {{Cl|Asian basketball biography stubs}}
• {{Cl|Asian boxing biography stubs}}
• {{Cl|Asian figure skating biography stubs}}
• {{Cl|Asian Olympic medalist stubs}}
• {{Cl|Caribbean boxing biography stubs}}
• {{Cl|Oceanian cycling biography stubs}}
• {{Cl|Oceanian Olympic medalist stubs}}
• {{Cl|Oceanian rugby league biography stubs}}

note I will come back to Europe/SouthAm/Africa/CentralAm. Waacstats (talk) 08:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Definately Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:34, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

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As with chile so with uruguay the sport-bio and athletics-bio combine for over 60 and we already have a footy cat. Waacstats (talk) 14:56, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

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two upmerged templates (-sport- and -athletics-) total over 60 and 1 cat (footy). Waacstats (talk) 14:19, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:Support speedy. One other thing waacstats, I noticed you are sorting into X-sport-bio-stub for boxers. However, I'd propose that we create X-boxing-bio-stubs for any country with a boxing bio stub. It makes counting easier and it cuts down on the number of stubs on a page, which I think is always a good thing.--TM 14:22, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

::Didn't think about that and the same would apply to any other sports where we have already split by continent. I'll add them to my todo list. For now I'll just work on sport-bios as it makes it easier to see if we have enough for a category. Waacstats (talk) 14:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:::I think the best use of your time would be to create upmerged stubs like {{tl|Somalia-basketball-bio-stub}} rather than having to go back and create them later on.--TM 21:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

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I know this has been proposed (and passed) a couple of times but I plan on doing templates for the missing countries (mainly Oceania and Carribean) anyone oppose this. Waacstats (talk) 15:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Go for it. I know somebody did the SOlomons a while back. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:36, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

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;Rename: :Category:Grisons geography stubs to :Category:Graubünden geography stubs

;Rename: {{tl|Grisons-geo-stub}} to {{tl|Graubünden-geo-stub}}, leaving a redirect behind

:The category :Category:Grisons was recently renamed :Category:Graubünden in conformity with the main article, which is at Graubünden. These should be renamed accordingly. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

• Surely this should be at WP:SFD, not here? Grutness...wha? 21:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
• Moved to SFD. Waacstats (talk) 08:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

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I propose the creation of both a Synapsid stub type {{synapsid-stub}} and one for prehistoric arthropods, {{paleo-arthropod-stub}}. Both would have more than enough to qualify for creation, but I'm not going to count them because their parent category (paleontology stubs) has over 800 articles in it. Abyssal (talk) 10:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Support. Break down of anything over 800 is clearly needed Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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{{tl|Norway-tram-stub}} has surpassed 60 transclusions, and is increasing rapidly. Arsenikk ^(talk) 20:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

:Support, though this will leave Euro-tram a bit short, any idea if there are other articles hanging about. Waacstats (talk) 10:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Support. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:27, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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as with europe so with other continents. Propose split by nation templates for each country along the lines of {{tl|Foo-athletics-bio-stub}}/{{tl|Foo-sport-bio-stub}}. Templates for any template that gets to 60. Waacstats (talk) 19:45, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Good idea Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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{{Cl|Belgian athletics biography stubs}} will have 60 articles from currently upmerged template.

{{Cl|Moldovan sportspeople stubs}} will have 50 aticles from currently upmerged templates and 1 subcat.

Propose for speedy. Waacstats (talk) 19:45, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

SHould be fine Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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Create templates for most of the main countries and upmerge until they hit 60, e.g {{tl|Germany-photographer-stub}}, {{tl|Spain-photographer-stub}}, {{tl|Lithuania-architect-stub}} etc. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

:Photographers has already been passed and I think we got most of the main countries for architects but I'll support any we missed (inc Lithuania)Waacstats (talk) 10:55, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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Upmerged stubs add up to 68--TM 20:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Miles, we will come to that when we create the templates. Its best if you merge this with my proposal underneath. Speedy for now but we may want to create a few stubs to make a number of other countries viablle too Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:24, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

:I don't know who Miles is (this is user:thomas.macmillan; I changed my tag so that my whole name wasn't so prominent) but I created the Algeria-struct-stub pre-emptively and, with the other upmerged stubs, is viable now.--TM 22:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh sorry I was mixing you with T J miles! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:44, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

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Split of {{cl|Asian sports venue stubs}}, which is above 550.--TM 21:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

:Support. Waacstats (talk) 11:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

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Way over 60! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:36, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

:support speedy. Waacstats (talk) 11:38, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

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Now over 85 stubs. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 14:43, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

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{{cl|Panamanian sportspeople stubs}} = 70 stubs. Speedy?--TM 22:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Speedy Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

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Thought this had been proposed but can't find it, existing template with well over 60 stubs. Speedy? Waacstats (talk) 20:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Go for it amigo. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

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Propose creating struct templates for every country of Africa and upmerging by region of Africa perhaps? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat}

I propose:

{{col-begin}}

{{col-3}}

• {{tl|Benin-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|BurkinaFaso-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|CapeVerde-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Côted'Ivoire-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Gambia-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Ghana-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Guinea-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|GuineaBissau-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Liberia-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Mali-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Mauritania-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Niger-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Nigeria-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Senegal-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|SierraLeone-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Togo-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Algeria-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Egypt-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Libya-struct-stub}}

{{col-3}}

• {{tl|Morocco-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Sudan-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Tunisia-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|WesternSahara-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Angola-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Burundi-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Cameroon-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|CentralAfricanRepublic-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Chad-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|DRCongo-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|RCongo-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|EquatorialGuinea-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Gabon-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Rwanda-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|SãoToméPríncipe-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Burundi-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Comoros-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Djibouti-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Eritrea-struct-stub}}

{{col-3}}

• {{tl|Ethiopia-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Kenya-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Madagascar-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Malawi-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Mauritius-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Mozambique-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Rwanda-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Seychelles-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Somalia-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Tanzania-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Uganda-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Zambia-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Zimbabwe-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Botswana-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Lesotho-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Namibia-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|SouthAfrica-struct-stub}}
• {{tl|Swaziland-struct-stub}}

{{col-end}}

:Strong support if you've got the energy. I will certainly do my best to help with this as well.--TM 02:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

That I have, may even see about creating a few new articles too. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

::Support. We normally use {{Tl|DRCongo-struct-stub}} and {{tl|RCongo-struct-stub}}. Waacstats (talk) 19:17, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

::A few more corrections: {{tl|Côted'Ivoire-struct-stub}}, {{tl|SierraLeone-struct-stub}} and {{tl|SaoTomePrincipe-struct-stub}}--TM 20:26, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

:upport, with the corrections noted above. (though it would be {{tl|SãoToméPríncipe-struct-stub}} with a redirect at the name Thomas suggests or vice versa - certainly no and, in it though). Grutness...wha? 20:26, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

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To go under {{cl|NorthernIreland-stub}}.

There is currently no section for general Northern Ireland sporting organisations or more specifically for aeromodelling in the Northern Ireland section, so I propose an aeromodelling stub Sean Scully 12.55 5th March 2009 (GMT)

:No, We don't have a gemeral aeromodelling stub and I don't think that there are enough articles for that let alone a NI eromodelling stub. Waacstats (talk) 19:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

:If you do a simple seach under model flying you will see that there are infact 3178 articles listed. I doubt that this constitutes "not enough articles" in the overall topic. The NI Aeromodelling page is as valid a stub as these articles and offers the user/reader who may be particularily interested in aeromodelling, aeromodelling in Northern Ireland, or simply the different sports available in the region, the information they require. If the topic is not currently covered then this shows a gap in the encyclopedias coverage of the topic. This surely is the exact purpose of a stub or short article. Sean Scully 7th March 2009 18:13 GMT

::There might be 3178 articles about model flying - and an overall aeromodelling-stub may be a reasonable thing to propose sometime if it seems useful. But let's do a quick guesstimate: 30% of articles are stubs - that cuts 3178 articles down to about 1000 stubs. Maybe 10% of them (likely an overestimate) will be about British aeromodelling in general - 100 stubs. Perhaps 15% of them (almost certainly an overestimate) will be about Northern Ireland aeromodelling - 15 stubs. Even if every single one of them related specifically to the Northern Ireland Association of Aeromodellers (highly unlikely) that would still be only a quarter of the number of stubs needed for a stub category. What's more, not only is there no equivalent permanent category for the NIAA, there isn't even an *article* on it - there was one but it was speedied as A7 and advertising. Overall, I'm also strongly opposed to this proposed stub type (BTW, it would be worthwhile you looking at the stub naming conventions - the proposed name is not a good one) Grutness...wha? 20:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

::: As you say there is no article on the NIAA, and there is no article on aeromodelling in Northern Ireland therefore this in itself proves that a gap exists. If we only create articles which are already covered by a multitude of stubs / articles then the likelyhood of covering all topics of interest is nil. Wikipedia is an encycolpedia, it covers a wide range of topics for all its user not just ones of particular interest or interest to you. You have not given any firm reason why you do not want this stub other than you do not feel there is enough interest (A personal opinion). Your mathematics are guess work at its best! The following are diciplines flown in aermodelling with the search results for them

control flying: 11,983

indoor flying: 547

model helicopter flying: 921

rc model flying: 178

model jets 5578

model gliders: 729

Total: 19,936

Now if we apply your mathematics to this it means that with these searches alone we have

30% of 19936 = 6645 stubs,

10% of 6645 = 664 about British Aeromodelling,

15% of 664 = 99.6 stubs that have content relating to or can be linked to a stubb on Northern Ireland Aeromodelling.

If you do a search for model associations you get a return of 19,268 I take it that all of these are also opposed?

Under model flying associations there are 1412, again all of these other associations are now contested? Or is it just Northern Irelands model flying association?

Regarding Naming convention the following are listed

Model Aeronautics Association of Canada;

British Model Flying Association;

Far East Model Car Association;

Fourth Association of Model Auto Racing;

American Speed Association;

What is the difference in these names and my proposal? That they are Canada, British American? These have all been accepted in the past and are not contested. Is it only large countries who should be listed in Wikipedia?

Sean Scully 7th March 2009 23:55 GMT

Surely the very nature of Wikipedia is to allow access to ALL. Northern Ireland throughout a large part of the world is totally unknown apart from the new they see on TV.

Aeromodelling is a large organisation in NI and should be allowed its place.

bill scott Belfast N.I.

Aeromodelling encourages many educational, social and recreational benefits. Any one who wishes to get involved may use Wikipedia to garner information, particularly if they are interested in model flying in N. Ireland. Small countries should not be discriminated against in this way. Robert McCartney Londonderry N.I.

:I don't think anyone has any problem with articles, of any length , on aeromodelling in NI or the NIAA but this page is to propose stub templates and categories. Waacstats (talk) 18:50, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia provides knowledge and a source of information for many people around the world, thats what the world web is all about. When we start saying NO! to various interest groups from small regions like Northern Ireland, such as the NIAA, the official voice of Areomodelling in the region, then I believe its defeats the overall purpose of the world web. John Pearson Armagh N.I.

:This is all completely irrelevant to whether a stub type should exist. Most of the comments above seem to be thoroughly confused as to what a stub type is and what it is used for. Stub types are used only for the purposes of sorting large numbers of tiny items into categories to make it easier for editors to work on them. Not having a stub type in no way indicates that articles should not exist - you are perfectly entitled to have articles and permanent categories on any subject that is noteworthy enough. But as stated on WP:STUB, stub types are only created when there are sufficient stubs for them. That is, the stub articles come first and stub templates and categories are only made when there are plenty of them. Currently, there is no article on the NIAA, so there is absolutely no need whatsoever for a stub type for it. If the article existed, and if sufficient stubs existed on the NIAA, then it might be considered appropriate. At the moment it is not. This is not a case of "saying NO! to various interest groups from small regions like Northern Ireland" - it is a case of saying no to any group of no matter what size that does not meet the criteria. If there were only 10 stubs on a potentially enormous subject like, say, football, or American politics, or art, or French history, then they would similarly not have stub types. If you want a stub type on the NIAA, first you should have enough stubs for it to be worthwhile for the purposes of stub sorting. Grutness...wha? 22:09, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

::I can see your point however the stub types created for Northern Ireland are

Northern Ireland geography stubs;

Northern Ireland politician stubs;

Northern Ireland railway station stubs;

Northern Ireland school stubs;

Northern Ireland stubs;

Northern Irish football biography stubs;

Northern Irish football club stubs;

Northern Irish people stubs;

Northern Irish sportspeople stubs;

Aeromodelling does not fit any of these categories neatly.

We will however take your advice and simply create stubs in the Northern Ireland stubs, then when ample stubs relating to NIAA aeromodelling are created we will again request that a stub type for this be created separately. As such I withdraw at this point in time the request for a a new NIAA stub type.Sean Scully 8th March 2009 23:20 GMT

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To go under {{cl|Folklore}}.

It is such a huge subject that i am surprised no stub exists for it. You see, {{tl|mythology-stub}} and {{tl|culture-stub}} don't quite hit the mark, and a {{tl|traditions-stub}} also does not exist...so i guess i'm proposing both, then! (the latter to go under {{cl|Traditions}}) I ran into the need for the folklore stub when re-creating the Baba Marta article, and the traditions stub when expanding Pizho and Penda, but there are many articles that would benefit from them both. Thank You! BigSteve (talk) 23:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

:seems like a good idea, there appears to be enough articled for this. Waacstats (talk) 19:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

::The second one should be {{tl|tradition-stub}} - singular not plural - BTW. Grutness...wha? 21:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, folks, I've created the tradition stub:

{{tl|tradition-stub}}

I chose the piñata as the picture as it is a very well-known tradition, and vividly colourful for the tiny thumbnail image. please visit the [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/File:Pi%C3%B1ata_in_San_Diego_crop.gif wiki commons page for the picture] as well as the stub page to check if i have done everything correctly (this is my first stub template so am still learning), especially if i have mentioned the correct licence and added all the relevant categories. (I have not yet created the folklore stub as i cannot think of what picture to use...) Thank you in advance! BigSteve (talk) 13:34, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

ps. I've added the new stub here - correct or not? i am unsure about the parent category being {{cl|Traditions}} while the stub is "tradition" (singular) - and then should the stub category be {{cl|tradition stubs}} or {{cl|traditions stubs}}??? or both, with a redirect in between them? BigSteve (talk) 14:18, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:Not quite right, but fixed now (which is why creating these things is normally left to regular WP:WSS members!) The permcat should be - and is - at {{cl|Traditions}} (and shouldn't be linked from the template); the stub cat should be at {{cl|Tradition stubs}} - and certainly shouldn't have been a redlink. That's the standard naming practice for permanent and stub categories. Grutness...wha? 22:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

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To go under {{cl|Astronomy stubs}} and {{cl|Nebulae}}

See discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Astronomical_objects#nebular_stubs, where after a week, no objections are noted (other than a misunderstanding).

Nebulae are a basic type of astronomical object studied over the centuries.

76.66.193.90 (talk) 07:18, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

:Support template regardless, support category if there are over 60 articles. Waacstats (talk) 21:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Support both unconditionally. Even if there were only 10 nebulae that would be enough reason to start a category, IMHO. Especially since the number of nebulae will only grow as more of them are discovered and/or receive their Wikipedia article. Debresser (talk) 12:15, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes I support Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:47, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

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I created this before realising I shoudl have done it here. I have noticed that some people are being classed as politicians, where they're more bordering on the line of administration etc. This is my proposed one: {{Usagov}} I know the wording could be a little better - buty I'd work on that if there was general consensus it is okay... TheUnfortunate (talk) 10:42, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

:Is {{Tl|US-gov-bio-stub}} or {{Tl|US-poli-bio-stub}} of any use. Waacstats (talk) 19:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Woops, I didn't see those >.< I think that not holding an elected position or whatnot sounds more like that have attempted to rather than just being a receptionist, for example... TheUnfortunate (talk) 20:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

:I've generally used US-gov-bio-stub for employees and US-poli-bio-stub for those who have failed to win an election, who is it that you are looking at using this one on. Waacstats (talk) 20:26, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

::BTW - the name of your new stub template - {{tl|Usagov}} - isn't really acceptable on a number of levels (see WP:WSS/NG) - and why it's linked to {{cl|Writer stubs}} is a bit of a mystery! Grutness...wha? 21:14, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I have? Well it wasn't intentional ;S In this case it was {{V. Larry Teaver, Jr.}} - I'm not sure if he could be classed as a politician due to my lack of knowledge of American politics, but I hope you get where I'm coming from. I called it that as a base until we'd come to a consensus as to whether this could work out - I wouldn't leave it like that. TheUnfortunate (talk) 23:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

:Oppose as these are already covered by the poli and gov bios.--TM 23:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

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There are well over 60 stubs that cover relationships between countries.. See :Category:Politics Stubs. This would be {{tl|poli-ir-stub}}. Alison9 (talk) 01:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

• Copying to April. Waacstats (talk) 11:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

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