Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Birds

Based on the above table kindly provided by {{u|SchreiberBike}}, I propose that we start by changing the names of the following articles. These should (hopefully) be uncontentious as in each case the new name would align Wikipedia with all three world lists: the IOC (15.1), Clements/eBird (Oct 2024) and BirdLife/IUCN. In three cases the Wikipedia article currently has a scientific name.

Note that a spreadsheet comparing the IOC and Clements is available [https://www.worldbirdnames.org/IOC%20v15-1%20v%20Clements%202024.xlsx here].

• Bahian mouse-colored tapaculo -> Boa Nova tapaculo
• Western sirystes -> Choco sirystes
• Comoros blue vanga -> Comoro blue vanga
• Northern dark newtonia -> Dark newtonia
• Hood mockingbird -> Española mockingbird
• Southern giant hummingbird -> Giant hummingbird
• Red-tailed leaflove -> Leaf-love
• Cyanoramphus malherbi -> Malherbe's parakeet
• Malia grata -> Malia (bird)
• Eupsittula canicularis -> Orange-fronted parakeet
• Pale-chinned blue flycatcher -> Pale-chinned flycatcher
• Delalande's coua -> Snail-eating coua
• Blue-fronted amazon -> Turquoise-fronted amazon
• Woodwards's batis -> Woodwards' batis

If there are no objections, I'll ask an admin to make the moves. - Aa77zz (talk) Aa77zz (talk) 17:21, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

:Mostly OK for me; the only one I'd query is the batis: as IOC has a general policy of possessives of names ending in —s being —s's (e.g. Ross's gull, Pallas's leaf warbler, etc.), is this change really correct, or an error in the latest version of IOC? Might be worth asking David Donsker about it. Of leaf-love, assuming that goes ahead, the current disambing page Leaflove will also need reworking. - MPF (talk) 17:54, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

::The scientific name titles for Cyanoramphus malherbi and Eupsittula canicularis were the result of move discussions in 2023. They should not be moved back to the IOC vernacular names without starting a new discussion. Plantdrew (talk) 18:55, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

:::Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't looked at the Talk pages. -Aa77zz (talk) 19:05, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

::::Blue-fronted amazon was moved to that title after a (fairly long) 2023 discussion too. Having been moved back and forth previously. Iloveparrots (talk) 22:24, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::I've moved Pale-chinned blue flycatcher to Pale-chinned flycatcher (the only one where the new name was a red link!) as IOC's reasoning for dropping the 'blue' was to match other lists, thus uncontroversial - MPF (talk) 16:58, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::Objection: There has been substantive discussions about the name of the blue-fronted Amazon, and that name should not be changed just because someone has just discovered that it has a different IOC name. Snowman (talk) 19:43, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Should the page for List of endemic birds of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands be deleted as I have already included it in the page I just created - List of birds of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands? Mitsingh (talk) 13:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

:Better to merge to the older page to retain the older page's history, by adding in the non-endemic species, and rename to the more inclusive name. - MPF (talk) 20:03, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

::If List of endemic birds of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands were converted to a redirect to List of birds of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, which has the information which used to be in the endemic birds list, I think that would work easily enough. The history of the old page will still exist at the redirect. SchreiberBike | ⌨  21:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

:::The endemic species portion of your article should have the reference cited to the book, not Researchgate. AryKun (talk) 22:38, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

::::One more small change: per MOS:TIES "This list also uses British English throughout" should be changed to "This list also uses Indian English throughout". Given that the spellings of UK and Indian English hardly differ, I doubt it will make much if any additional differences, but there could be odd ones? - MPF (talk) 08:59, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::Most differences fall under COMMONALITY. The usual difference is displaying large numbers in crore, but that seems unlikely to apply to this list, so I don't think there's anything to specifically look out for. CMD (talk) 10:22, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::So should the other page (List of endemic birds of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands) be deleted? Mitsingh (talk) 10:49, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::I think MPF has the best idea, merging and then renaming. CMD (talk) 10:56, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Why can't we delete the endemic species page and keep this one as the endemic list is already inside the new article? Mitsingh (talk) 15:25, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::Per MPF it would preserve the 20 year history of the existing list. CMD (talk) 15:34, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::::: Agree with MPF and CMD. Keeping the history is important for proper attribution. The new material should be added to the older article and the title changed (page moved). Consensus should also be sought for changing the scope and a page move, but I think this discussion would suffice.  —  Jts1882 | talk  16:53, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::I have moved the material to List of endemic birds of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. Now we have to move the page and delete the new one. Mitsingh (talk) 12:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::I disagree that these should be combined. Why not make the endemic list something like List of endemic birds of Borneo, where there is a discussion about how those endemics evolved, where they're found (ie. most restricted to the highlands), what threats they face (since many are endangered), etc. None of this will take place in a general list of the islands' 410 species they've now been dumped into. MeegsC (talk) 13:00, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::That's a good idea. I'll change it back for now. Mitsingh (talk) 13:39, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hi,

:I have updated List of endemic birds of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. This article now covers much more than the original article did.

:Does this article still qualify as a list? Mitsingh (talk) 12:37, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

White owl currently redirects to the article White Owl (cigar brand). Should the lower caps version redirect to Snowy owl or Western barn owl, both known as white owls? Mika1h (talk) 11:23, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

:The article about the cigar has a link to :White Owl (disambiguation) right near the top, though it's slightly hidden by a template that's been there since 2009. I'll look at cleaning up the cigar article to see if that can be removed. I think that's adequate. SchreiberBike | ⌨  13:00, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

::@SchreiberBike @Mika1h - as an aside, I have severe doubts that an obscure cigar brand like that meets Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) test for deserving an article of its own at all. My inclination would be to get rid of it as "not notable", and merge the disambiguation page with the main White Owl page - MPF (talk) 16:11, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

There is a current discussion regarding categorisation of fossil animals going on at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Palaeontology#Categorization proposal. Any opinions/voices are welcome. Lavalizard101 (talk) 23:45, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

I've joined Wikipedia very recently and am willing to work on any Australian/New Zealand bird article that is either empty, lacking citations or needs an update. I've got a practically empty daily schedule and am willing to take on anything. Zepherite (talk) 20:30, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

:Welcome to Wikipedia! I actually don't edit on birds all that often, but it's lovely to meet another Melbournian birder onwiki :) I wonder if we've inadvertently crossed paths at a twitch before!

:There's plenty of work needing to be done - a lot of bird articles were written in the earlier days of Wikipedia and haven't been updated to reflect current information or Wikipedia standards. You can trawl through :Category:Birds of Australia and :Category:Birds of New Zealand to find pages to work on, but here are a few needing work off the top of my head:

:*Australian painted-snipe has no footnotes besides the IUCN reference and needs a complete overhaul

:*Black-fronted dotterel needs its distribution and habitat/behviour and ecology sections rehauled to include footnotes

:*Varied sitella needs its description section rehauled to include footnotes

:*Australian gull-billed tern has only a single-sentence unsourced "Range" section - this needs to be filled out and renamed to "Distribution and habitat" per project standards

:*Brown falcon only has a handful of scattered footnotes and also needs its headers renamed per project standards

:If you need any assistance, or just want to chat about birding in Vic, feel free to leave a message on my talk. Looking forward to seeing your work! Cheers, Ethmostigmus 🌿 (talk | contribs) 05:38, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

::Interesting, thank you for the list and the advice. I'll start drafting out some updates. Pleasure to meet you. Zepherite (talk) 06:49, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

:::A very useful source for information on Australian birds is the seven volume Handbook of Australian, New Zealand and Antarctic Birds (1990-2006) ({{ISBN|0195532449}}) (HANZAB). (For species that also occur in New Zealand, scans of the articles are available from [http://www.nzbirdsonline.org.nz New Zealand Birds Online]). -Aa77zz (talk) 07:49, 28 April 2025 (UTC)