Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Archive 54#Big Brother Philippines Task Forcemessage

Recently, @Yoblyblob has nominated several local election articles for deletion (see list below), citing notability concerns. This struck me as curious, since local election articles have existed for years without much scrutiny regarding their notability (as far as I remember). The sudden wave of AfDs has prompted me to start this discussion: Are local elections notable enough to warrant standalone articles?

I'm not particularly involved in political editing, but I am genuinely curious about the notability standards being applied here, especially in light of this recent trend.

Here's the articles currently listed on AfD:

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• 2025 Marilao local elections
• 2022 Mapandan local elections
• 2025 Mapandan local elections
• 2016 Majayjay local elections
• 2022 Majayjay local elections
• 2019 Majayjay local elections
• 2010 Santa Cruz, Laguna local elections
• 2007 Santa Cruz, Laguna local elections

}} AstrooKai (Talk) 10:10, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:I suspect the information is worth including, although it's somewhat unexpected to see the 2016, 2019, and 2022 articles never having been updated from the "Voters will select candidates". CMD (talk) 10:28, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:@AstrooKai I came across some local elections while going through new pages for WP:NPP. I was honestly surprised that they did not have any concerns tagged at the top of the page. Local elections are not automatically notable, we cannot assume there is significant coverage for each of these. Not all local elections are not notable though, there are several I have found that seem to have plenty of sourcing. I came across these and saw for some of them that they only listed primary results, which was a red flag, so I looked them up to find other sources, and found very little, or sometimes even nothing beyond primary sources. I have noticed there are some pages on local elections in a region of the country, combining those all into a page, which could be a potential solution to still including these results somewhere. Just because we have information on something does not mean it deserves a page though, which is why I nominated these. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 11:17, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:Our standard for elections is WP:GNG. With being said, elections from first level subdivisions like provinces and independent cities can be made somewhat easily. For second level subdivisions such as component cities amd municipalities (such as these), it is much harder to write anything about these.

:With that being said, it's quite harder to write about these now after the ABS-CBN shutdown, and that local press have been losing money for years now (e.g. Baguio Midland Courier). Most have exclusively publish on Facebook now instead of independent websites and Wikipedia doesn't take kindly to that.

:For the 2025 local elections, somebody made a series of artifles classified per region, and I having those split to per province and independent city. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:45, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

::@Howard the Duck they should not all be split into individual pages, it seems several of them to not meet WP:GNG. Some may be deserving of their own page, but not all Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 16:15, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:::To explain further, the 2025 local elections series were organized by region. This was imitated from the congressional series. Local elections except for 1 region are not organized at the local level but first through provinces, then cities and municipalities. While congressional elections can be lumped together via regions (so only 17 articles in that series), local elections have a different dynamic, and are indeed primarily organized via "local government unit" of which regions are not. This means, for example, 2025 Philippine local elections in the Ilocos Region should be split into 2025 Ilocos Norte elections, 2025 Ilocos Sur elections, and so on. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:48, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:::These 2025 local election series primarily rely on primary references anyway, so do not pass WP:GNG. It is conceivable someone can write up prose on 81 provincial elections and around 30 or so independent city elections, then probably individual mayoral results can also coattail on these articles. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:55, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:::With all due respect, of the 18 regions we have, by what parameter does one regional-level election get to be deemed non-notable? Borgenland (talk) 16:59, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

::::There's no regional level election save for one, the 2025 Bangsamoro Parliament election.

::::Organizing local elections via regions was a mistake and should had been done per province and independent city. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:01, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:As far as I’m concerned province level elections are notable enough. And having them nominated for such tags is a bit questionable given the double standards it might entail vis-a-vis other subnational divisions. The one thing that’s lacking though is prose and unquantifiable data such as events and issues, to which I have had the gruesome task of having to document election violence (unfortunately a part of life here). Borgenland (talk) 12:39, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_May_5#Category:Tambayan_Philippines for a proposal to merge and rename certain project sub-cats. – Fayenatic London 21:10, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

File:Information.svg There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2025 China–Philippine espionage cases#Requested move 1 May 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. HueMan1 (talk) 01:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello, everybody. I want to let everybody know that I have recently finished creating a draft article on the recent car crash at Ninoy Aquino International Airport, which is based on existing information circulating as of yesterday, May 6. The draft can be seen at Draft:Ninoy Aquino International Airport car crash. The accident should pass notability guidelines, particularly WP:NEVENT, because not only did it have substantial coverage by the media, several well-known personalities have reacted to the crash as well, and it gave an eye-opener for the alleged corruption of the substandard bollards installed at the airport and faulty airport design, which can drastically pose significant effects in the long run. Feel free to update the article as the story progresses. – Relayed (t{{•}}c) 04:47, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

:This is something the person reviewing the draft would have to assess, but it could have just been merged into the main NAIA article. Many event articles are WP:REACTIONS-cruft and are frowned upon by most AFD regulars. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:22, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

::It’s already listed in the accidents sections. FWIW, I’d expect the only lasting thing I’d see is them replacing those fake-looking bollards and rearranging the parking, which would amount to between 2-3 sentences. Borgenland (talk) 11:00, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Looks like this may help from adding some info about Philippines-specific forms of discrimination against Indians (and South Asians in general), such as Indians' negative association with things such as 5-6 money-lending, Indians being sometimes referred to as bumbay, to the common negative stereotype of Indians lacking hygiene (also common elsewhere). TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 07:04, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:: Such info may also be relevant for the Indian Filipinos page. -TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 07:05, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

File:Information.svg There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Francis Pangilinan#Requested move 13 May 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. HueMan1 (talk) 11:52, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

Are these excluded in freedom of panorama issues, or are the posters themselves artworks and therefore should not be uploaded to Commons? If the photo somehow includes a partial shot of a house, would it also be against freedom of panorama due to the architectural features of a house? How about common poster areas found in bridges, arenas and other public places? Howard the Duck (talk) 03:38, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

:If houses are in the background and not the focus of the photo, then these may be allowed under de minimis principles. The posters, on the other hand, are copyrighted and can't be uploaded to Commons. But I guess a wide photo showing tons of campaign posters would be okay as long as individual posters are not too visible per de minimis. —seav (talk) 09:03, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

::Short of VGA resolution or worse, a photo of this sort would seem to be "illegal". Howard the Duck (talk) 19:35, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Posters are also works of art (as graphic works); many of the campaign posters exhibit creativity. There is also the problem of the photos of the candidates themselves that lie within those posters. Such photos may or may not be eligible for c:Template:PD-PhilippinesGov, but it's more likely that those photos of candidates (especially local and newbie ones) are not government works. The campaign posters themselves are very likely not government works, since it is normal for the campaign teams or their supporters/benefactors to contact third-party (not government) graphic designers to create those artworks. Less certain for houses, since there is no available information on when those houses were completed, but I suspect many of our houses are post-1972, making them eligible for architectural copyright. Google Earth's timelapse feature is a good starting point to investigate whether a certain Philippine building is post-2000 or not. Seav is correct though, that it's OK to publish images of streetscapes showing many campaign posters (with no focus to a poster or two or three or at most five or six). De minimis#Copyright rule applies.

:::Postscriptum: campaign posters are typically temporary works, and won't be eligible for the future Philippine FoP. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 12:54, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

...if the government section in city and municipal articles will be updated, I'd ask two things to change as well:

• Change "government type" in the infobox to "Mayor–council government" from "Sangguniang Bayan"
• Change "Members of the Municipal Council" to "Elected officials"

Howard the Duck (talk) 15:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

frame

Like the one to the right. It can all be gray for now since no one has won yet. The only differences are:

• Agusan del Norte will now comprise the entire province, then Butuan will get its own
• New Makati/Taguig boundary
• Special Geographic Area not being represented

Howard the Duck (talk) 20:04, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:Can I ask where did you get the template of this map? Like if I want to create something similar where I can put colour in the philippines provinces or congressional districts, where do i find the template? Flowerrick404 (talk) 00:46, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

::This is an SVG map, and someone else created this, but the last edit was from a few years ago. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:40, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

File:Information.svg There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Francis Pangilinan#Requested move 13 May 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:CanonNi]] (talk • contribs) 03:44, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

File:Information.svg There is a requested move discussion at Talk:San Isidro, Davao del Norte#Requested move 17 May 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. HueMan1 (talk) 03:55, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Someone created a Second ladies and gentlemen of the Philippines page which I nominated for deletion cause frankly its a made up term. Would someone chime in to check to provide feedback for and against its deletion. Category:Second ladies and gentlemen of the Philippines is tangentially related but I would prefer to wait for the resolution of the Afd first. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 04:50, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

:Looks like its an attempt to establish a Philippine edition of other "Second ladies ang gentlemen..." articles. There are four other articles that bear same name and structure:

:* Second ladies and gentlemen of the United States

:* Second ladies and gentlemen of India (redirect to Second ladies of India)

:* Second ladies and gentlemen of Ghana

:* Second ladies and gentlemen of Indonesia

:I don't know if these were consensually accepted by the WikiProjects that have scopes on them. AstrooKai (Talk) 13:28, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

::Briefly skimming through the articles, I can only confirm actual usage of the term in the US and Ghana. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 04:21, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Need help with Philippines section of anti-Indian sentiment, especially sources (I have little time to find any). Just began a skeletal paragraph about common Filipino prejudices against Indians (such as being stereotyped as having bad odor or as 5-6 loan sharks), but would also like to mention specific incidents such as the 2016 "Goodbye bumbay" line following the 5-6 ban by Duterte. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 09:54, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Take it for example a major local Tagalog TV channel reported about a concert by some famous singer of band in MoA, but they would just avoid mentioning MoA by name, Just referring indirectly to "a mall in Pasay" (isang mall sa Pasay). Also another example is when some celeb receives an endorsement deal from some brand, where the reporting will often not name the brand and indirectly refer to it instead. Another thing is footage (stock or recently recorded, possible exception being footage for sports events) showing logos of major brands are often blurred out. Not only news reporting do it, but even live shows like It's Showtime do the same.

As a long-term resident in Canada, this stands out as quite different from let's say how the local media there would do the same. Is this SOP by media (usually TV and radio) outlets to avoid directly naming malls unless it was the main subject (usually when something tragic happened such as a explosion as like what happened in Glorietta 2 back in '07), avoid naming brands in reporting let alone blur brand logos out of photos or video (even if they are just incidental)? My initial thought why they do that is to avoid being accused of hidden promotion, but such may possibly have begun due to some previous incident. This sounds of an only in the Philippines thing, but I think there are other countries that do it as well. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 10:26, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:@TagaSanPedroAko some insights can be taken from commenters [https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/pg9yvl/are_media_outlets_generally_discouraged_from/ on this Reddit post] (even if, wiki-wise, this is WP:USERGENERATED). A noteworthy comment is from user "gradenko_2000's", quoting [https://max.limpag.com/article/journalism-self-censorship/ this], is the most no JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 10:50, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Here's my guesses on why they avoid to mention such specific names:

:* Legal or liability concerns - They're probably avoiding mentioning such specific names to reduce the risk of libel, defamation, or trademark infringement claims, especially if the news story is negative or controversial.

:* Avoiding unintentional advertising - They may be trying to avoid giving free publicity to businesses or buildings, so they use generic descriptions.

:* Editorial policies - It may be part of their internal editorial guidelines.

:That said, I’m personally curious about the real, official reasons behind this practice. AstrooKai (Talk) 10:51, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::@AstrooKai or, as Cebuano journalist and former newspaperman Max Limpag [https://max.limpag.com/article/journalism-self-censorship/ suspects], marketing issue. Especially in recent times, newsrooms would readily comply with advertisers' wishes, and would pre-empt possible complaints by applying the "precautionary principle": better be safe than sorry. Just like Wikimedia Commons peeps routinely delete thousands of recent public landmarks from 100+ no-FoP countries (PH included) to avoid possible complaints from the artworks' architects and sculptors, PH newsrooms will not mention the names of specific businesses or establishments where undesirable incidents occur, just to avoid future and needless complaints from the managements. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 11:00, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::That really stands out to let's say how media in Canada (or even US and the UK) does things. Baffling, and kind of bordering toward self-censorship. I would rather wonder why won't our TV or radio station name MoA in their reports, unless it's something tragic.

::Well, the avoidance of naming brands is not PH-specific. Even some major public media outlets such as UK's BBC or Japan's NHK avoid naming brands due to advertising bans in those outlets. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 11:00, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Thry're afraid advertisers won't buy airtime if unflattering news is said about one of their establishments. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:03, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::this is not as prevalent as print, internet or radio media. Those still share the name of the establishment, may be on the 2nd or later reference. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:07, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:What is the purpose of this discussion? If we use a television broadcast (hosted on YouTube) as citation, would it be alright to infer that the "mall in Mandaluyong" mentioned means "SM Megamall". I don't think its not much of a problem since at least one online news article will specifically mention the name of the mall based on experience. This only applies mostly on TV and radio broadcast.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 03:12, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::One funny yet cynical thing I noticed is with thinly-veiled advertorials where they'd slyly plug for something like Acer laptops by referring to them euphemistically e.g. "isang kilalang brand" ("a well-known brand") then they'd air a commercial for it either immediately during the ad break or a commercial or two later to further obfuscate their advertorial or something. Blake Gripling (talk) 03:34, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Not just a problem with malls, big outdoor theme parks such as EK are usually also given the same treatment in most free-to-air TV and most radio reporting. Example, when covering about things such as Christmas or summer tourism rush, TV news coverage would just bring up EK as isang theme park sa Laguna, though EK would come up somewhere later in print such as segment featuring short interview with the theme park's management. As for such indirect referencing to such locations in TV news, this seems to have become a trend from the early 10s, possibly due to the terror scare in light of major bombings, some of which involved big-name malls, back in the 00s. Just my two cents. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 04:06, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:::@Blakegripling ph same experience, whenever I watch TVP. Some of their episodes contain a technology-oriented segment hosted by Migs Bustos, in which he would typically present the device as something like... "[https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1555410828245532 naglabas ang kilalang Japanese car manufacturer ng bagong modelo ng sasakyan...] (referring to Nissan) and "[https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1261343724579558 inilunsad ng isang global tech brand ang pinakabagong smart watch...]" (referring to Huawei).

:::But also, agree to Hariboneagle927's question. If there is ever some unwritten (oral) rule concerning such things, then English Wikipedia is not bound to comply, since first and foremost, only US rules matter, and enwiki has no obligation to follow the laws and rules outside the US, if we are going to dissect the logic and essences of both Template talk:Freedom of panorama (US only)#RFC: Does US FoP apply to foreign works? and one statement at Template:Non-free architectural work ("Because the English Wikipedia only respects US law..."). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 04:12, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Of course, it would be a different thing altogeyher if PH courts and authorities suddenly act like the Indian and French ones. Contexts are: Asian News International v. Wikimedia Foundation for India. For France, the French politicians and architect groups' vocal opposition to "Wikipedian amendment", which is [http://komodo.regardscitoyens.org/public/22-panoramas/ their insulting remark to Freedom of Panorama]. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 04:20, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::::I recall watching a news coverage of an armed robbery at a certain Bank of America branch which the police and/or news reporters simply refer to as "BoA". I guess they may have done so at the bank's request so as not to tarnish their rep? Blake Gripling (talk) 04:52, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Please add an appropriate and relevant photo to this article, in order to improve it, possibly to get it to a B-Class article. Bearian (talk) 17:45, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Any guide on who exactly will be sitting in the 20th Congress on the individual level? I need it for an expansion of the List of female members of the House of Representatives of the Philippines that will be unhidden on June 30. Borgenland (talk) 16:02, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:See Nominees in the 2025 Philippine House of Representatives party-list election. There may be shenanigans though if the nominees decline in order to allow someone else to sit. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:51, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

After browsing through many articles related to politics, I have come across several widespread problems that, while varying in their influence on readability and quality, still need to be solved. A key thesis here is that an excessive emphasis on formality often contradicts prevailing editorial standards on Wikipedia. Hence, I would like to ask everyone to go through the said articles and help resolve these problems as the task as a whole is a herculean effort needing community action.

On biographical articles

• WP:JOBTITLES: Most, if not all, positions should be expressed in all lowercase. For cabinet secretaries, that also includes their portfolio. Accordingly, "The Honorable" is not to be placed (see MOS:PREFIX)
• In relation, WP:RELTIME still applies to incumbents, meaning the words "current" "presently" and the like should be avoided. So instead of "...he currently serves since..", input "..has served as .... since ....".
• WP:NOPIPE: Offices and districts are often piped excessively to the point that navigation is compromised. For offices, if an article exists, link the entire name of the office. (ex. "Governor of Cebu [not Governor of Cebu]; Secretary of Education [not Secretary of the Department of Education]; Manila's 1st district [not Manila's 1st district]).
• Numbers of districts and orders of officeholders: MOS:NUMERALS still applies. Hence in prose, Manila's 1st district should be Manila's first district and Diosdado Macapagal should be the ninth president and not the 9th.
• Image captions: The number of a Congress is not a good time indicator as each Congress lasts three years and the average reader may not be able to associate an nth Congress with a set of three years. Hence, the year a portrait is published is your best bet. (ex. "Official portrait, 2025", not "Portrait during the 20th Congress"). Be precise and exact.
• WP:OVERLINK: Given the prevalence of nonconsecutive terms, it should be a rule of thumb that in infoboxes, predecessors, successors, and other relevant persons (with an article) should only be linked the first time they are listed. Successive mentions are in plain text.
• WP:EUPHEMISM: Call a spade a spade and do not soften words "out of respect". The policy is self-explanatory. A frequent offense is the use of "public servant" instead of "politician". Moreover, WP:PEACOCK is often violated in articles with less editorial oversight.
• Hyphenated Surnames: Even on non-political pages, married women do not automatically take the name of their husbands, and even if they do, it is not always hyphenated. In such cases, one should be keen to do due research rather than assume that a certain name has been taken.

On election related articles

• Infoboxes: In local elections with modules, dates, flags, navigation devices, and turnout should only be included once and only in the main infobox. The infobox must include the mayoral, vice mayoral, and the local legislative elections. (see 2025 Marikina local elections) Running mates of candidates of a different parties do not need their parties to be distinguished. In elections with well-defined alliances, the running mate parameter can be omitted (as done in the example).
• Incumbents: In result boxes, incumbents are to be noted with "(incumbent)" upended to the candidate's name. Italics has no reliable precedent supporting it nor is it an effective way of conveying such information. It is a mere byproduct of exploring templates years ago and should be accordingly be phased out.
• Mayoral and mayoralty: For these mayor-related terms, it should be a rule of thumb that:
• Mayoral – adjective term of mayor. (ex. "mayoral election", "a mayoral assistant")
• Mayoralty - a noun form for the office and tenure of a mayor; use as adjective should be avoided (Correct: "She held the mayoralty of Biringan from 1991 to 2001"; He won the mayoralty through an electoral protest); (Incorrect: "Mayoralty race" [should be "mayoral race"]; "mayoralty post" [redundant; can either be mayoralty alone or mayor in noun form])
• Result boxes: Winners are not bolded, per template parameters; for the result parameter, it should indicate the abbreviated name of the winning party, linked unbolded, and whether or not it is a gain or a hold, bolded. (e.g. "PDP gain from Lakas"; "Lakas hold"). For multi-winner elections (council, provincial board), it is still not bolded but each row is colored yellow as done in the Philippine Senate elections.
• Candidate lists: With 2025 Naga, Camarines Sur, local elections as an example, in each section detailing specific race (Gubernatorial race, Mayoral race, etc.), each candidate, no matter how many, are listed in bullets, with political affiliation enclosed in parentheses, and then pertinent offices or other notability. This adds informative value and wider context to the list, and accordingly the article, and contrasts it from sections that list all candidates in tickets with their corresponding ballot numbers.
• WP:COMMONNAME: Related to WP:NOPIPE, avoid shoehorning the nickname of a candidate in between their names enclosed in quotation marks. Simply use the most frequently used name and avoid creating unnecessary pipes (pertinent in candidates with existing articles) just to include a nickname (or in some cases, their full legal name in lieu of the common name).

TofuMuncher (talk) 10:21, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:Re: Results tables: Is the actual article title to be used (i.e. "Liberal Party" or "PROMDI", excluding disambiguators such as "(Philippines)"), or the "abbreviated name" (i.e. "Liberal")? For example, in 2022 French presidential election#Results, the full article name for each party was used, but the footer of who won, lost or held the seat wasn't added.

:I can probably agree that the footer may be optional to national races. As for these results, people here base it on the incumbent's party on election day; it should be based on the party that won the previous election; this means many seats are "Lakas–CMD gain from PDP–Laban". Howard the Duck (talk) 10:34, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::For the "party#" parameter, the article title is to be used, while in the footer it should be abbreviated for brevity. Determining whether a result is a gain/hold, though, should be discussed on a dedicated section, given that its implications beyond the scope of this section. TofuMuncher (talk) 10:48, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Noted on "party#" vs. footer. I personally used the full names myself due to WP:NOTPAPER and for consistency purposes. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:53, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I'd also push on full names as it can be confusing; several parties have "Demokratiko" or "Democratic" on their names (Aksyon, PDP, CDP, DPP, even Lakas-CMD). NP vs NPC can be confusing (granted we don't use "NP" that much here). People even insisted to use "PDPLBN" or "LKS-KAM" or "MKBYN" because that's how it appeared on ballots (we're not restricted to 8 characters just like ballots were). Howard the Duck (talk) 11:00, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Howard the Duck says its improper to use certificate of candidacies as sources for birthdates, birthplaces and full names for politicians as per WP:BLPPRIMARY. And no, the addresses (to a street level) are redacted by the Commission on Elections. The thing here is that the COMELEC itself has published these information for public scrutiny. [https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2024/09/24/2387680/comelec-post-all-cocs-online-ahead-2025-polls 1], [https://www.inquirer.net/419445/comelec-urges-public-to-scrutinize-bets-after-posting-cocs-conas/ 2]. Like these sources are clearly superior than say PeoPlaid, and other aggregate sites.

Okay upon review, with that said admittedly I got overzealous over this of finally having to provide precise or even correct information about the subject (Manny Pacquiao being born in General Santos rather than Kibawe, Bukidnon). So from what I understand, profile pages from secondary sources (like [https://www.rappler.com/people/n63338002-manny-pacquiao/ Rappler]'s database) would be acceptable.

So how do we move forward? Hariboneagle927 (talk) 12:10, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:A follow up would be, would it be acceptable to still use those sources to source political party affiliation? Hariboneagle927 (talk) 12:18, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:WP:BLPPRIMARY states "Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses". It's not I who said it.

:You can use COMELEC documents on who are nominees in a party-list elections or political party affiliations, and on vote totals. These are not personally identifiable information (or you can't know who a person is by his political party or vote total). You can't use it to source personally identifiable information such as birthdates and birthplaces. COMELEC documents are WP:PRIMARY documents, and while you can personally use it for your own personal purposes (such as determining if that person is worthy of your vote), Wikipedia abides by WP:OR. You can use other sources, like Rappler. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:23, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::We use birth certificates – a primary source – all the time to determine when and where someone is born. What makes a COC different in this case? --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 02:39, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:::As per WP:BLPPRIMARY, we should not use birth certificates as WP:REF for anything related to personally identifiable information of an individual. COMELEC's COC is similar to a birth certificate as it is a "public document", and similar to a birth certificate, you cannot use COCs as WP:REF for anything related to personally identifiable information of an individual. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:12, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I am trying to create a Wikipedia article for Louie Tabing, a respected Filipino broadcaster and community radio pioneer. Despite submitting through Articles for Creation multiple times, my draft keeps being declined due to insufficient reliable sources.

I would appreciate any advice or help on how to improve the article, particularly regarding establishing notability with independent secondary sources. I welcome suggestions on where to find such sources or how to improve the draft to meet Wikipedia standards.

Thank you very much! Kalouie (talk) 13:49, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:I can help by linking to it: Draft:Louie Tabing. Bearian (talk) 17:46, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:The draft is at Draft:Ka Louie Tabing.

:This smells like WP:COI. If several drafts have been rejected beforehand, I don't new ones will be approved if there's not much improvement. See WP:GNG on how a subject becomes notable enough for Wikipedia. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:40, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

I have a proposal creation task force for Big Brother Philippines Task Force, you may check here at Wikipedia talk:Big Brother § Big Brother Philippines. ROY is WAR Talk! 04:56, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

File:Information.svg There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ynares Center (Rodriguez, Rizal)#Requested move 23 May 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 12:43, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Article seems to be stuck back in the good old days of Friendster, and really needs so much updating. Not even mentions of the vlogging boom since COVID or even stats for how many FB users are in PH. Would appreciate someone would update stats and add missing info. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 11:34, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Encountered this thread, I already added stats to Facebook and TikTok. I also updated contemporary issues relating social media use such as the addition of the 2018 Cambridge Analytica scandal, which the PH gov have to step in, and rampant fake news and misinformation in the country in the "Issues" section. Feel free to review my recent edits. AsianStuff03 (talk) 10:45, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to propose the creation of a Visayan task force under the Tambayan WP. :) I've found a lot of research regarding the Visayan people(s), languages, culture(s), and media. Plenty of it exists, but the coverage on Wikipedia has been rather poor. For instance, artists like Morissette Amon, JK Labajo, and TJ Monterde have produced notable output in the Cebuano language, but the editors for their pages usually neglect to include even a single mention about it.
The creation of a task force would simply help me organize my efforts to improve coverage about Visayan-related topics.

I believe that this is important because the Visayans are collectively the largest or second largest (depending on your perspective) ethno-linguistic group in the Philippines. Many articles have been written about the Visayans, but the coverage so far on Wikipedia has been unfocused and needs organized efforts to improve. Bloomagiliw (talk) 23:37, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Could you elaborate on how it would help you organize your efforts? If you had draft organization tools in userspace or similar, it would be easy to assess potential impact. CMD (talk) 02:40, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::Hello. I actually already created a page for it a few days ago, and I apologize for that. I've been a WP editor for less than a year. My apologies, and if/when you guys delete it, I understand.

::But I'm keeping a copy of the page (all the code and formatting) on my own user sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bloomagiliw/sandbox

::I hope that helps you assess the potential impact of this proposed task force. I'll further elaborate below what the benefits would be:

::* Being able to put a to-do list for Visayan-related WP entries all in one place where other potential participants can easily access it

::* Being able to tag Visayan-related WP entries will again put them in one place, allowing me (and other editors) to see which ones need improving and to what degree, based on their current ratings.

::* Being able to put resources and discussions about Visayan-related WP entries all in one place

::I had to scour Wikipedia for many hours to see which articles discussed Visayans significantly. A task force that can be tagged would make that process a lot easier. All the relevant WP articles, to-do items, goals, resources, and discussions can be in one place. I can also recruit other editors to help me improve coverage of Visayans if this topic is granted a task force.
I really believe this would be useful.
For instance, "Ili-ili" (Hiligaynon folk song) is one of the most widely recognized pieces of Philippine music. The Filipino horror film White Lady prominently uses "Ili-ili," the chart-topping pop group Alamat interpolated it in one of their singles, various choirs/cover groups (including foreign ones) have covered it. Yet "Ili-ili," a classic, iconic folk song, still has no WP article until now. A lot of Visayan-related topics really need articles. I think a dedicated task force can help expedite that process and organize the efforts. Bloomagiliw (talk) 03:11, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Ah yes, the categories. Sadly that is a perennial issue. The list of missing articles etc. can be set up on any page, but categories and tags are trickier. To be clear, if set up editors would still need to manually edit the WT:TAMBAYAN template on relevant pages to add |visayan=yes or similar. CMD (talk) 04:53, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Yeah, I'm aware of that. It's the same with other task forces (users need to manually add the [task force]=yes tags).

::::But the hypothetical benefit would be that other users, who are not me, can potentially alert me/other participants in the task force to new Visayan-related articles. Also, even if I need to manually put the tag myself in each relevant article, putting them all in the same category would make keeping track of them a lot easier. Bloomagiliw (talk) 09:43, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

I hope you can join the June 2025 backlog drive. There are at least 232 unreferenced Philippine articles. There are also barnstars for participants if you like collecting those. Lenticel ^(talk) 00:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello editors from Tambayan Philippines. I am requesting help with the article Sultanate of Sulu (see talk page for more info). It has been claimed that this historical state still exists in some form to this day, but I am not well-versed on this subject, which is why I'd like input from more users on this discussion. I would have posted this to Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Philippine history task force, but apparently that project is semi-active, which is why I am asking here. Thanks! Mirabile (talk) 20:06, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

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