Wikipedia talk:Teahouse#Alcoholics anonymous

Just a quick observation to those editing the introductory template: Might it not be worth mentioning the ability to directly contact a Mentor with their question? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:14, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|Nick Moyes}} I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1287503716 added] a bit to that template about the Mentors. Thoughts? ‍Relativity ⚡️ 17:54, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

::Update: I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1287504879 reworded] my original edit slightly, because I thought new editors might not know what a "mentor" is on Wikipedia. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 18:03, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

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Did someone lock the teahouse to keep me out? L$Aiden$L (talk) 19:16, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:@L$Aiden$L: No. We're dealing with a persistent vandal. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:33, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:L$Aiden$L, no, the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Wikipedia%3ATeahouse public logs for the teahouse] will show that the teahouse has been almost uninterruptedly "semi-protected" for months, and thus since well before you made your first edit. -- Hoary (talk) 21:57, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

I've written a new essay, WP:Terms of art on Wikipedia, which may be helpful when new editors are confused by words like "notable" which have specific meanings on WP that differ from the general meaning. Improvements are welcome. Sunrise (talk) 07:42, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

I have two ideas for the Teahouse:

1. For the "Use this link to ask for help" link, mw:Help:DiscussionTools#Preloading message content says you can use dtpreload=1. If that can be used signatures will be applied automatically so the preload text could be simplified, plus users get the live preview. The link uses {{tl|edit}} which doesn't seem to accept dtpreload, but is it technically possible and desirable?
2. Would Wikipedia:Pending changes be suitable for times when the Teahouse is semi-protected?

Commander Keane (talk) 06:44, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:Unfamiliar with the preloading message content solution, but pending changes was discussed at AN in November{{snd}}there seem to have been mixed feelings about it at the time. Perfect4th (talk) 16:50, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Probably a screen width / float clearing issue of some sort. For me (using Vector 2010), the "this section is pinned" box whose code is in the intro message is actually appearing below the ToC on the right, currently inside the "How to seek Visual and Source editor experts" section -- which is misleading.

I tried adding the {{tlg|clear}} template to the bottom of the "Assistance for new editors unable to post here" section, but due to the length of the ToC that created other display issues, so I didn't save it. Maybe someone with more experience with wiki layout issues could fix it? -- Avocado (talk) 16:37, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello! I’ve created a translated article about King Abdulaziz and His Companions Foundation for Giftedness & Creativity – Mawhiba here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mawhiba.SM/King_Abdulaziz_and_His_Companions_Foundation_for_Giftedness_%26_Creativity_-_Mawhiba

I’m contributing in my capacity as someone affiliated with Mawhiba and using a Mawhiba domain email. I’m aiming to ensure accurate and neutral representation of the foundation. Since I don’t yet have the editing permissions to move it to the mainspace, I’d appreciate if an experienced editor could kindly review and assist with moving it, if appropriate.

Thank you! Mawhiba.SM (talk) 12:17, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Mawhiba.SM}} This page is for discussion about the operation of the Teahouse, and is not the Teahouse itself. Please post to the main Teahouse page. 331dot (talk) 12:19, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

::@331dot: {{U|Mawhiba.SM}} is not autoconfirmed and therefore cannot post to the main Teahouse page that is currently semi-protected right now. {{pb}}@Mawhiba.SM: Your page has been deleted for {{tq|unambiguous advertising or promotion}}. If you're involved with the subject, please make the necessary disclosures of conflict of interest, preferably on User:Mawhiba.SM. You're also discouraged from sending it directly to mainspace; putting a draft through the Articles for Creation process is recommended. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:29, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Thanks, I forgot about that.... 331dot (talk) 07:45, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Habari za wakati huu,

Naitwa Barick Kimaro. Nimewasilisha makala ya "Barick A Kimaro" kuhusu historia yangu ya maisha, kazi, na changamoto niliyopitia baada ya ajali kubwa mwaka 2024.

Naomba msaada wenu wa kuangalia makala hiyo, kunishauri kama kuna marekebisho yanayohitajika, na ikiwezekana kusaidia kuifanya iidhinishwe rasmi.

Nimetumia rejea sahihi na kushirikisha historia ya kweli kwa nia ya kuwahamasisha wengine pia.

Ningeshukuru sana kwa msaada wenu.

Mungu awabariki!

Asante sana,

Barick Kimaro official 197.250.224.73 (talk) 14:58, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

:The above translates to:
{{divbox|yellow|3=Current news,{{pb}}My name is Barick Kimaro. I have submitted an article titled "Barick A Kimaro" about my life story, work, and the challenges I went through after a major accident in 2024.{{pb}}I request your help in reviewing the article, advising me if there are any corrections needed, and if possible, helping to have it officially approved.{{pb}}I have used correct references and shared true history with the intention of inspiring others as well.{{pb}}I would be very grateful for your help.
May God bless you!{{pb}}Thank you very much,Barick Kimaro official}}{{pb}}IP editor, while it isn't forbidden, you are strongly discouraged from writing about yourself. Your contributions do not show that you have created such an article, nor does a previous deletion message pop up when searching for that title. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:18, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

::I would expect that they wrote it on the wiki for the language they wrote their message in. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 15:38, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Why is this page in :Category:Pages that should not be manually archived? Neither WP:Help desk and WP:COIN, for example, are.

Unless there is a good reason, I propose to remove the category. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:12, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

:The Teahouse is already periodically archived by Lowercase sigmabotIII, so it sounds like it's in an appropriate category. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:51, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

::As are the examples I gave, and many others that are not in the category. Indeed, the category only has 28 members (21 of which are Teahouse and its sub-pages); bot archiving is used on tens or hundreds of thousands of pages. The two methods are not mutually exclusive. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:03, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Removed from the Wikipedia:Teahouse/Header pseudo-template. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:42, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

:@Pigsonthewing, my guess is that it may have something to do with the talk page messages that are (or at one point were?) sent to editors when their thread gets archived. I'd double check that manual archiving doesn't interfere with that or some other process. It'd also be good to find the edit that added to see if there's a summary/ping the editor. There are potential WP:FENCE concerns. Sdkb ^talk 15:03, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

::Added by User:Ammarpad in 2019 with the edit summary "replace with the newer header to migrate the code here", in {{diff|Wikipedia:Teahouse/Header|prev|892554462|this diff}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:59, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Sounds like it was probably originally added somewhere else? Sdkb ^talk 21:44, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

::::Yes the page was in the category already. That edit just moved the header code {{diff|Wikipedia:Teahouse/Header|prev|892554741|from the page source text}} to /Header subpage template to reduce the bloat.

::::As far as I can see, the category was originally added to the page (via template) in 2014 {{diff|Template:TH question page|prev|636538199|in this edit}}, before the code later ended up in the page directly and then re-templated again in 2019. – Ammarpad (talk) 17:10, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::OK, so there's no explanation there and the editor is now blocked, so I think we've done our due diligence to the extent possible. If removing it causes any explosions, I guess we'll find out. Sdkb ^talk 19:08, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

::Just as an FYI on {{tq|talk page messages that are (or at one point were?) sent to editors when their thread gets archived}}—I did check one of the messages {{u|Pigsonthewing}} manually archived and didn't see {{botlinks|KiranBOT}} (actual BRFA) leave a message for that thread on OP's user talk, so not conclusive, just a casual comment. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 17:18, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:{{re|Pigsonthewing}} Hello. Yes, {{u|Sdkb}} is correct. Similar to {{u|Rotideypoc41352}}'s doubt, KiranBOT doesnt fully depend on archival by Lowercase sigmabot III, but KiranBOT does rely on the edit summary, especially the number of discussions mentioned in edit summary by sigmabot III. —usernamekiran (talk) 04:06, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks for the clarification. In the unlikely event anyone's wondering, I didn't say anything when I noticed [that manually archived posts do not result in user talk posts] because the original bot's doc at User:Muninnbot/doc#General principles of bot design says, {{tq|it was decided very early on that when it comes to determining notifications, a false positive is much more problematic than a false negative...it is acceptable to miss some notifications}} (wikilink original). While the two bots use different logic (per KiranBOT's BRFA), Munninbot also relied on lowercase sigmabot III: {{tq|Then, it pulls the latest archival edit by lowercase sigmabot III and looks at which sections were removed from the page by this edit}} (wikilink original). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 20:04, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

What's up with the semi-protection on Wikipedia Teahouse?

Is this going to be unprotected soon? How would this affect newcomers who joined Wikipedia to contribute? 205.155.225.249 (talk) 20:20, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

:The Teahouse is semi-protected because of persistent vandalism from an LTA user. If the main page is semi-protected, newcomers can come here to ask questions; in the event that this page is protected, they are encouraged to the {{tl|help me}} template or the link in the large message box at the top here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:28, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

:Please see the notice posted to the top of this page. Due to ongoing, persistent disruption by a VPN-using IP hopper engaging in personalized, virulent harassment of another editor, we’ve had to protect a range of pages. IP and other non-autoconfirmed editors can still edit most of the encyclopedia and seek guidance via the method described in the notice. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:29, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

::You can get a sense of how pervasive and disruptive this has all been by taking a look at this page’s editing history. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:42, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello ! I want to edit the article "List of designated terrorist groups" in the section "Organizations formerly designated as terrorist".

I want to add the next source : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/17/russia-removes-taliban-from-list-of-banned-terrorist-groups

I want to add the fact that "Russia" doesn't consider anymore "Taliban" as a terrorist organisation.

I tried with wikitext and the visual editor.

"Russia" isn't placed under "United States" as I want but it is under the "flag of taliban" or elsewhere at each time I want to edit.

I'm unable to find the mistake. Anatole-berthe (talk) 11:32, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:What is the reason of Russia not considering "Taliban" as a terrorist organisation? 205.155.225.249 (talk) 18:38, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

::205.155.225.249 , I advise you to read the n°4 in "Wikipedia:Not a forum" intitulated "Discussion forums".

::The talk page is not there to ask this kind of question.

::I consider that you're question is interessant but this is not the good place to ask it. Anatole-berthe (talk) 12:11, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Anatole-berthe, I would try asking this question at the actual Teahouse instead of the talk page. You are unlikely to receive help here. Best, CF-501 Falcon (talk · contribs) 21:27, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

::I acknowledge that I made a mistake. I did wrote in the "Talk page" instead of the right place.

::Someone else added the fact "Russia" don't consider this entity as a terrorist organisation.

::Therefore , my question is now unuseful. Anatole-berthe (talk) 12:05, 13 May 2025 (UTC)