Wikipedia talk:Upload#Automatic timestamp

Not sure if this is the right place to bring this up or if it has already been discussed, but I have a suggestion. When a signed-in user wishes to upload a new version of a file, he simply clicks on Upload a new version of this file. However, if he is a non-user or is not signed in, he sees nothing. That link simply vanishes. On at least one occasion this has caused some confusion. My suggestion is to leave that link in place, and if it is clicked on by a non-user, he is taken to a page that tells him to either sign in or sign up. This is a very common (and useful) way to handle such a situation. (It would also be desirable to extend this change to commons and all wikis.) JBarta (talk) 21:43, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Please add the interwiki hi:विकिपीडिया:अपलोड for the corresponding upload form on hi-wp.

Query:

Shouldn't the page text in div id autoconfirmedusers be invisible to IP users? I see both the autconfirmedusers text and the newusers text when logged out (and yes, I cleared my cache).--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 08:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

PS:Where is the css for these defined? I didn't find it in Mediawiki:Common.css.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 08:29, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

: Can't answer your question about the CSS, but I've added the iw link as requested; thanks for pointing that out. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:25, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

About DCoetzee's recent edit [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Upload&diff=474910605&oldid=447760678] that changed the "own work" option link to point directly to Commons: I'm not sure this is a good idea, for two reasons.

• First, I consider it somewhat user-unfriendly to have such "easter-egg links". People have already seen the big "please go to Commons" link at the top of the page. If they have skipped past that box and have gone to the entries below, we should assume they have consciously made the choice they do not want to go to Commons, and we should respect that. Whether we like it or not, people still are entitled to upload own work locally.
• A very large proportion of images uploaded by new users as "own work" are in fact copyvios. I doubt Commons has the manpower to monitor these uploads as consistently as we can do it here. I'd much rather newcomers made their first upload attempts here locally so we can filter out the bad apples.

::: Update: just as an example of what I mean: Just today, a day after I switched the default upload link back to en-wiki, I locally caught an obvious copyvio from this new user. It was his first local upload here, and identified as a copyvio immediately after upload. I went to check what that editor had been doing during the days the link had pointed to Commons, and found that exactly during those 8 days, he had uploaded eleven equally obvious copyvios there, none of which had been caught yet. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:50, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

That said, I actually hope we can retire this whole page soon – I might propose replacing it with Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard some time soon, as soon as that new system is technically stable. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:48, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

: There is allready a link to Commons so there is nothing that stops users from going to Commons and upload copyvios there. And just for the record en-wiki is not free from copyvios and/or bad files.

: Free files should go directly to Commons. If they are uploaded here we have to move them and it takes time. Time that could be spend better looking for copyvios. So in my opinion it is a waste of good time to let users upload locally on enwiki. --MGA73 (talk) 12:59, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

:: There is no question about not "letting" people upload free files here – if we wanted to prohibit it, that would be a very fundamental change of policy, for which I believe there is not going to be consensus any time soon. Conversely, of course nobody is advocating not encouraging uploaders to go Commons. But in practical terms, there is a conveniently large overlap between those users who will ignore this recommendation and will go ahead uploading (allegedly) free files here, and those who upload copyvios. This means the sample of free-marked files uploaded here makes it relatively easy to catch a relatively high percentage of the bad ones by scanning a relatively small number of uploads. We are currently catching a high number of them here because a small number of users, including me, scans the Special:Newfiles log regularly. As many as 70% of all files uploaded by new users on en-wiki are deleted in this way. I doubt whether the time needed to transfer the (relatively few) remaining, good free ones, after the bad apples have been filtered out, outweighs the extra time that would be needed if we had to search for these copyvios among the much larger stream of new uploads on Commons. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:19, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

::: I'm not saying it should be forbidden. As it is now you upload to en-wiki unless you choose Commons. It could be the other way around that you upload to Commons unless you choose en-wiki.

::: If files are uploaded to Commons we could ofcourse use more help checking the files.

::: I have suggested elsewhere that we mark free files as reviewed so it is easy to see which files have been checked and found ok to move to Commons. So if you and other users check all new uploads it would be helpful to have such a review (if you ask me). --MGA73 (talk) 17:50, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

:::: That might be possible, yes. Another thing I've been thinking about is how to integrate the Commons option even better in that new Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard I've been writing. Want to check it out? I'm thinking of actually guiding the user through the licensing questionnaire and then offering two submit buttons: one saying "Yes, I want this file to be available in all Wikimedia projects in all languages" and the other "No, I want this file to be available only on the English Wikipedia". I haven't tried it out yet, but it ought to be possible to tweak the upload mechanism in such a way that it sends the stuff straight to Commons without the need of the user actually going there, provided of course they have a unified account and are already logged in. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:15, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Cross-posting: see proposal at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#New Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard: ready for production. – Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:52, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hi. Please revert to the old upload form. This requires moving Wikipedia:Upload/old back to Wikipedia:Upload. This test has had a good run (a little over a month) and data from it can now be gathered and analyzed and hopefully the results of such data can be incorporated into a proper solution that's integrated with MediaWiki. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:01, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

:File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{tlx|edit protected}} template. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:29, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

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Please change the redirect to point to Wikipedia:File upload wizard (lowercase) to avoid the double redirect, as the page was moved per the recent RM (permalink). Thanks! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 05:07, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

:{{done}} — xaosflux ^Talk 11:50, 29 December 2022 (UTC)