Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics#List of Whips

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My template has been deleted. I presented multiple citations from official Australian sources for the assertion made by the template - that members of the House lose that status upon dissolution.

The majority of the deletionists in that discussion just said "It's not true." without acknowledging said citations or providing counter-evidence. The only citations I was given didn't actually disprove (or were at best tangential to) the template's message. Bizarrely, one editor accepted that it was technically correct but then pushed for it to be deleted anyway.

I've also tried the old method of individually editing articles but that has been called out as disruptive, so I'm at a loss. I can't understand why other editors are so determined to maintain false information and out-of-date information on articles. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 14:17, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:From what I have always understood is that Australian MP terms start and end on the date of the election rather than the date of when parliament in dissolved. From the sources that you presented here there seems to be a bit of confusion and I became a bit doubtful. I do remember reading a source so time ago saying it was election dates rather than dissolution but I can't find it now. On the Australian Parliamentary Handbook, MPs terms are marked by election days rather than dissolution (see [https://handbook.aph.gov.au/Parliamentarian/282986 ALLEN, Dr Katrina] who lost her seat in the 2022 election). Given the conflicting information, I propose that we leave everything as it is for now, and I will email parliament seeking some clarity. GMH Melbourne (talk) 14:46, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

::After seeing [https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parliament/your-questions-on-notice/questions/what-happens-when-a-member-of-parliament-loses-their-seat this source] found by Steelkamp it appears that it is the election date that determines the term. Please let me know if you think an email to the parliament is wanted and I will shoot it off. GMH Melbourne (talk) 14:56, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Yes, it's very confusing because the sources I've been given say that a member who loses his seat has his term end defined by the election date, but of course that determination could only be made after the election is already over. The status of members of the former House during the general election period is never explicitly clarified. If polling day is the term end then the candidate logically must have still been a member during the campaign period itself, but this directly contradicts all the sources I can find about dissolution which explicitly say members cease to be members. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 18:19, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:Nah mate, it's not true. 147.161.213.107 (talk) 06:20, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

User:Robin S. Taylor my deletion rationale said nothing of the sort. To quote, "Banner templates should not be used as a substitute for sourced information about the end of an MP's term. We also don't need a further disclaimer beyond the general Wikipedia disclaimer that any content may be out of date". You have not addressed these issues at all. You mass-added this template to all Australian MPs without prior consultation with the Auspol space, so it's not surprising you have been reverted or that other editors have been snippy. Your edits caught my eye when [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Warren_Entsch&diff=1283069015&oldid=1271280177 you added] a template stating "this article's subject is standing for re-election to the Australian House of Representatives" to an MP who was not standing for re-election, which was an immediate red flag. I see you have also tried to implement the same template for the Canadian election and met with a similar negative response. These are totally different jurisdictions and there is no one-size-fits-all approach. I T B F 📢 17:42, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:Re your comments about "maintain[ing] false information and out-of-date information on articles", I note also you haven't even bothered to remove your UK template from all British MP articles even though the UK election was over nine months ago. I T B F 📢 17:45, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:I'm coming to this discussion via reverting {{u|Robin S. Taylor}}'s edit to the Andrew Hastie claiming that his period in Parliament had ended. This was a serious BLP violation as it implied that Hastie wasn't standing for re-election, when he is actually doing so as a pretty prominent shadow minister. Nick-D (talk) 11:02, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

::Reading [https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parliament/how-parliament-works/parliament-at-work/from-election-to-a-new-parliament this], the dissolution of parliament puts the government into caretaker mode where decisions can't be taken except with the support of the opposition. There is nothing about their term ending. Kerry (talk) 10:31, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi everyone,

Polite reminder to take some photos this election season, and then make them Creative Commons to be used on here :) (If you feel like doing so) GraziePrego (talk) 06:34, 30 April 2025 (UTC)