Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography#Duncan Barrett Article

Hello!

I have lately been reading a lot of Wikipedia biography articles, and looking at the genealogies within them (I know, I’m weird) but there is a particular phrase that just icks me a bit. After doing a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22by+his+wife%22&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%22fields%22%3A%7B%22phrase%22%3A%22by+his+wife%22%7D%7D&ns0=1&searchToken=dch4k1wl6897auo0vxs1wyukv search], I think I have a few examples to illustrate my example. For example, on the page Safavid family tree (permalink), the following is stated:

{{Blockquote

|text =The great-grandson of Sheyk Safi, Sheik Joneyd, got married with Khadijeh Khanoum sister of Uzun Hassan and daughter of Ali Beg by his wife Theodora of Trebizond, daughter of Alexios IV of Trebizond. Heydar, son of Joneyd, married Katherina who was a daughter of Uzun Hassan by his wife Theodora, daughter of a Bagrationi Georgian princess and John IV of Trebizond.

}}

Now, I don’t know about you, and I don’t mean to be a ‘politically correct prescriptivist’, but the use of ‘child of [FATHER] by his wife [MOTHER]’ seems a bit… misogynistic? Like I get it that sometimes it the father was more historically notable or important than the mother, but the use of ‘by’ connotes a kind of instrumentality. Recall this article-section on the instrumental case (permalink), where it says:

{{poem quote

|text=Modern English expresses the instrumental meaning by use of adverbial phrases that begin with the words with, by, or using, followed by the noun indicating the instrument:

: I wrote the note with a pen.

: I wrote the note (by) using a pen.

}}

The use of ‘with’ is in my opinion kind of bordering on kind of objectification. I believe that it would be better to instead use ‘child of [FATHER] with his wife [MOTHER]’, or ‘child of [FATHER] and [MOTHER]’ if you want to forgo emphasising the father at all. Thus:

{{Blockquote

|text=The great-grandson of Sheyk Safi, Shaykh Junayd]], got married with Khadijeh Khanoum sister of [[Uzun Hassan]] and daughter of Ali Beg by his wifeand Theodora of Empire of Trebizond]], daughter of [[Alexios IV of Trebizond]]. Heydar, son of Joneyd, married Katherina who was a daughter of Uzun Hassan by his wifeand Despina Khatun]], daughter of a [[Bagrationi]] Georgian people]] princess and [[John IV of Trebizond]].

}}

Of course, there are a lot more examples.

I think it would be nice if we could discuss whether we should be using the phrase ‘by his wife’. Of course it probably wouldn’t be a good idea to change every single article using this phrase, but maybe a discussion could lead to something.

One last thing: if it turns out this has already been discussed before, or there is a place where this would be better discussed (for example another WikiProject or the Wikipedia:Village pump or whatever), then tell me please.

Thanks! - delta (talk) 16:52, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

:I agree with your point entirely and all new articles should absolutely avoid such language. If they are being editted anyway, then that language should also be changed to something less offensive. Also, the other errors in grammer should be fixed, such as "got married to", which is extremely awkward sounding. It should simply say that person A married person B. 174.3.216.108 (talk) 02:27, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

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The article is here: User:621Neko!/sandbox

I’d be grateful if someone from this project could review the draft for notability and formatting before I submit it formally. Thank you so much for your time! 621Neko! (talk) 13:18, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

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== Request for feedback on Canadian musician draft ==

Hello! I’ve recently submitted a draft article about Canadian singer-songwriter Jeanette Arsenault and would really appreciate any feedback.

The draft has been carefully revised with multiple reliable, independent sources — including newspaper and magazine coverage, national radio, and cultural recognition.

👉 User:Jeanette_Arsenault/sandbox2

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I have updated the article on the German film producer Gian-Piero Ringel:

Gian-Piero Ringel

The article is based on verifiable sources and follows the style of comparable biographies in the "Film Producer" category. I would appreciate a review, feedback, or any suggestions for improvement. Many thanks!

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