Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Height

He was a champion playing for the Portugal under-15 team, does he already have the notoriety to have his own article? It seems to me that it is only a matter of time. Svartner (talk) 17:44, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

:No. GiantSnowman 21:05, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

:While I disagree with the old WP:NFOOTY for other reasons, it definitely had a point with a line in the sand for football notability being playing in a senior league. It brings up a good paradox - if these kids of professionals are really such generational talents of youth football, why aren't they in senior football yet? Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:41, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

::he's 15? GiantSnowman 19:49, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Making it clear that I am not necessary advocating for recreation, but warning that from now on there will be many more sources available. Examples: [https://onefootball.com/pt-br/noticias/like-father-like-son-cristiano-ronaldo-junior-bags-brace-as-portugal-win-u15-tournament-41132472 ], [https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/45210278/cristiano-ronaldo-jr-nets-first-portugal-goals-u15s-win ], [https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/czxy54y19w7o ], [https://desporto.sapo.pt/futebol/selecao/artigos/fotosvideos-filho-de-cristiano-ronaldo-deu-titulo-aos-sub-15-de-portugal-e-festejou-como-o-pai ]. Svartner (talk) 20:36, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

::::...and they just recreated it again. Svartner (talk) 21:35, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Ortizesp you need to gain consensus to overturn the AfD that said to merge / redirect these pages, rather than edit warring. Spike 'em (talk) 13:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

::Where do I gain consensus then, I don't see any prompts on any of the Cristiano Ronaldo Jr pages saying that I need to do this. I through proper response from you would be PRODing or AFDing the page.{{ping|Spike 'em}} Ortizesp (talk) 13:18, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I was wondering... Is there any relative of a footballer that passes WP:GNG in their own? Can anyone provide examples of independent coverage about them? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:53, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Yes? Cristiano Ronaldo's girlfriend and sister have Wikipedia pages, and much of their fame comes through him. Tons of other athletes have famous relatives. Ortizesp (talk) 16:05, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

::::As the player becomes professional, it is natural for coverage to emerge regardless of the father or other notable relative. Example. Svartner (talk) 23:23, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

::Got lost trying to figure out repeated recreations, so I listed out the major events at Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo Jr.#What's happened so far. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 06:25, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I maybe a bit late on responding to this, but... I did mentioned last time it should have been SALT'ed. Govvy (talk) 21:40, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

It's just a question, but will there be a problem if I create pages for Brazilian amateur teams? Will it not be deleted due to lack of notability? Jose the Engine (talk) 20:52, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Pages on amateur teams are likely to be deleted unless there is significant detailed coverage. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 21:08, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

See WP:MILL. Few amateur teams in Brazil have enough notoriety to warrant an article, I recommend that you submit it as a draft. Svartner (talk) 02:04, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

I find 2 matches between Guatemala and France (1976 and 1986) but for Guatemala, just 1 official in 1976 (1976 olympic games) whereas for France, no official games. The difféerent articles about France and Guatemala don't publish the same things. So, who's True ? 2A02:8429:3D72:8901:8D39:C47D:C057:F084 (talk) 12:05, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:I believe it's possible for one federation to count the match as official, and not the other. Geschichte (talk) 07:25, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Have lists like Tottenham Hotspur F.C. Premier League player list been discussed before some where? Given that List of Tottenham Hotspur F.C. players exists, a separate list covering just the Premier League seems redundant. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:I honestly don't see the point of the first list, it's just copying a cat in list form with a few stats. I've never really been fond of these player lists, to me they are somewhat compiled original research, which also breaches WP:NOSTATS! So I would delete the premier league list for breaching OR, NOSTATS and content forking. As for the second list You can get use from that. Saying these are the most notable players with 100 caps because.. or something along those grounds with prose to explain why certain players hold these titles and why the club revere them. Would make it better. I've yet to see any good list, even the List of Manchester United F.C. players which is FL is not good enough in my opinion. Regards, Govvy (talk) 10:28, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:I think this list is not needed, and would be far better covered by a Category if it was decided that this set of players is important. As mentioned above, this would seem to be WP:OR and WP:NOTSTATS. Spike 'em (talk) 11:26, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Anyone else notice that Soccerway's layout and format has been changed? I can't find stats about players there :( --SuperJew (talk) 06:27, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:It’s either broken or under development or a new version has been released too soon. Whichever, it’s showing nothing, no teams, no players, no results!--Egghead06 (talk) 06:31, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::Yup I noticed the search feature isn't working at all. I managed to get into players profiles by searching on Google the name + Soccerway and then at least I could get the birthdate which I needed for listing on current national squad. --SuperJew (talk) 07:23, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::It now shows player's clubs for me, but not seasons and matches. Oof. Geschichte (talk) 07:24, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::As someone who's used Soccerway... quite a lot, this is annoying - hopefully it gets fixed up soon. Why do things have to change xD /j RossEvans19 (talk) 14:08, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:A new Soccerway X account has popped up acknowledging the issues and saying that they will be fixed shortly - hopefully it's not too long before it's back to the former levels of functionality. Ligaventura95 (talk) 16:10, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::Does look like they are going through a website upgrade during the off season. Govvy (talk) 21:36, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:::But it's not off season in Northern Europe, North America and Japan :p Geschichte (talk) 10:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Oh my word the new site looks awful, and it's also got incorrect stats (including saying Kyrell Lisbie has 2 apps for Peterborough in 2024-25 season, even though he joined after the season started... GiantSnowman 11:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::: Yep, I agree with all above. Soccerway being bad right now is getting on my nerves... just realized I basically can't work without it. Paul Vaurie (talk) 09:21, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

@Hako33 is moving several Spanish stadiums to an English-based name without consensus, i.e. :Estadio Alfonso Murube to :Alfonso Murube Stadium, :La Romareda to :La Romareda Stadium or even :Campos de Sport de El Sardinero to :El Sardinero Stadium. I don't think this is the correct approach, honestly. Thoughts? BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 19:13, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:I have manually reverted all moves and advised the user to actually open a WP:RM. I believe this is the best approach to this, since it's not consensus to actually make those names "all English". BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 19:27, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::{{re|BrazilianDude70}} Given the user's warnings last month, I think this might actually be worth an ANI with a request for a block on the ability to move. The user has a bit of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Hako33 history] regarding WP:CIR and/or WP:LISTENING. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 21:52, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@Jkudlick: Done, thank you for the advice. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 13:23, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

Wanted to get some opinions on how to deal with this situation: Forest Hill Park is an established non-league club who played in the Southern Counties East League for around a decade. Last year they merged with a Sunday league team called SE Dons, and the merged club has now been renamed to SE Dons F.C. However, someone created a separate article on SE Dons.

Having two articles seems to be a bit excessive (particularly as I'm not sure SE Dons are really notable in their own right), so I was thinking of moving the Forest Hill Park article to SE Dons F.C. and setting it out similar to Felixstowe & Walton United where there is a history of each of the two clubs that merged and then details of the post-merger one. Any objections to that approach? Number 57 00:27, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

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Hi all, just wondering if a player who has only played for his club's U23s side in the EFL Trophy would be notable enough to warrant a page? A better example would be, an U23s player who has made an appearance in the competition but his only competitive first-team games have been with a National League side on loan. Thanks Thegeordieman (talk) 11:27, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Level of professional play is entirely irrelevant - only WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 11:40, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

Now that Soccerway is temporarily unavaliable (I hope temporarily!) where else can I look for player appearance stats? RossEvans19 (talk) 17:03, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:I would suggest [https://globalsportsarchive.com/ Global Sports Archive] and [https://www.worldfootball.net/ worldfootball.net] for now. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 17:30, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:: Soccerbase seems to me to be more reliable than those two. Paul Vaurie (talk) 22:42, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

I've been reading articles about footballers in active who play for national teams from countries where they were not born. In those articles, the following structure usually appears: "Born in (A), represents the (B) national team". I think the standard language should be changed. The verb "represent" should only be used when nations (whether countries or dependencies) are the subject and "play" when teams are the subject. To be more clear and just an example, the subject in "Spain national football team" is "team", not "Spain" ("Spain national football" are the adjectives of the subject). Therefore, Dean Huijsen, who was born in the Netherlands, plays for the Spain national team and, by doing that, what he represents is Spain as a country (not just as a national football team). MonFrontieres (talk) 16:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Check Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 169#"Plays for". As you say, it's either "plays for the Spain national team" or "represents Spain". Nehme₁₄₉₉ 16:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

::Please, tell that to User:Anwegmann. He (she or they, I don't know that) is doing an unnecessary edit war which makes us both waste time. MonFrontieres (talk) 23:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC). His (her or their) stance allows for the following editing of articles about footballers as a valid form: "Given Middle Last (born DOB) is an English footballer who represents Premier League club Liverpool".--MonFrontieres (talk) 23:43, 7 June 2025 (UTC). I'm not sure community would support a club footballer being presented in that way.--MonFrontieres (talk) 23:52, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:::User:Anwegmannis wrong. HiLo48 (talk) 00:07, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Can anyone source Tony Bond (footballer, born 1913)? He cropped up in a PetScan for Unsourced articles and Lancashire, for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/June 2025.

Intersecting Unsourced articles with British footballers, down to 7 levels of subcategories, finds 8 others:

• Arthur Frost (footballer)
• Eddie Reynolds
• Charlie Hannaford (footballer)
• Joe Kiernan
• Bobby Moss
• John Allison (footballer)
• Billy Morrison (footballer)
• David McNab (footballer)

@GiantSnowman sourced the previous similar case I found - I don't have the subject expertise or the bookshelf for it, but I'm sure GS or someone else out there can help. Thanks. PamD 16:48, 8 June 2025 (UTC)