Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Live updates (again)

He was a champion playing for the Portugal under-15 team, does he already have the notoriety to have his own article? It seems to me that it is only a matter of time. Svartner (talk) 17:44, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

:No. GiantSnowman 21:05, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

:While I disagree with the old WP:NFOOTY for other reasons, it definitely had a point with a line in the sand for football notability being playing in a senior league. It brings up a good paradox - if these kids of professionals are really such generational talents of youth football, why aren't they in senior football yet? Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:41, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

::he's 15? GiantSnowman 19:49, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Making it clear that I am not necessary advocating for recreation, but warning that from now on there will be many more sources available. Examples: [https://onefootball.com/pt-br/noticias/like-father-like-son-cristiano-ronaldo-junior-bags-brace-as-portugal-win-u15-tournament-41132472 ], [https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/45210278/cristiano-ronaldo-jr-nets-first-portugal-goals-u15s-win ], [https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/czxy54y19w7o ], [https://desporto.sapo.pt/futebol/selecao/artigos/fotosvideos-filho-de-cristiano-ronaldo-deu-titulo-aos-sub-15-de-portugal-e-festejou-como-o-pai ]. Svartner (talk) 20:36, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

::::...and they just recreated it again. Svartner (talk) 21:35, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Ortizesp you need to gain consensus to overturn the AfD that said to merge / redirect these pages, rather than edit warring. Spike 'em (talk) 13:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

::Where do I gain consensus then, I don't see any prompts on any of the Cristiano Ronaldo Jr pages saying that I need to do this. I through proper response from you would be PRODing or AFDing the page.{{ping|Spike 'em}} Ortizesp (talk) 13:18, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I was wondering... Is there any relative of a footballer that passes WP:GNG in their own? Can anyone provide examples of independent coverage about them? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:53, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Yes? Cristiano Ronaldo's girlfriend and sister have Wikipedia pages, and much of their fame comes through him. Tons of other athletes have famous relatives. Ortizesp (talk) 16:05, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

::::As the player becomes professional, it is natural for coverage to emerge regardless of the father or other notable relative. Example. Svartner (talk) 23:23, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Is there a noticeboard incident regarding Gonta-Kun, the main creator of non-notable Japanese footballers, being blocked? I've looked at his talk page and found nothing. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:59, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

:Special:CentralAuth/Gonta-Kun shows global block in June 2019. Was blocked on ko.wiki before that as a sock of User:Japan Football, who is listed as being blocked in 2013 as a sock of someone else on here. Spike 'em (talk) 17:31, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

::{{User-multi|user=Nameless User|t|c|ct|m|l}} is the same guy as Gonta-kun? At least there are several stubs created by him that are based on WP:NFOOTY. Svartner (talk) 23:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Someone else thinks so, at they are marked as a suspected sock of the same person as Japan Football mentioned above. Spike 'em (talk) 07:32, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

After the recent 2024–25 UEFA Europa League finals, the winning club Tottenham received 50 medals from UEFA and dedicated them also to players who were not on the roster for this year's European Cups (Antonín Kinský, Fraser Forster, Timo Werner, Sergio Reguilón; see for example [https://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/news/what-tottenham-man-utd-earn-31679320 this source]). Various users, especially IPs, add winning the 2024–25 Cup as an achievement in the Honours section for these players, which I completely disagree with. Can we agree here whether it belongs there? In my opinion, receiving a medal and winning a cup are two different things in this case, and especially from an encyclopedic point of view, listing it among the Honours is misleading. FromCzech (talk) 08:47, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

:The only odd one out is Forster, he is registered and played four Europa League games. However the club can distribute how they see fit of their allotted medals and can give to under registered players who haven't played. Govvy (talk) 11:10, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

::{{ping|FromCzech}} - what criteria would you use to determine which players had "truly" won the competition.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Simply be in the club's roster for the competition. Now it is basically unsourced information (the currently used source do not contain their names – of course). FromCzech (talk) 11:22, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

::So let's say Forster is OK, but what the rest? I don't question that they shouldn't get a medal from the club if the club wants it, but I question that it should be included in the Honours section when they couldn't play a single minute. FromCzech (talk) 11:17, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I had another look during my lunch break, Kinský played for SK Slavia Prague in the Europa this season, so not sure he could play for Tottenham this season. Werner like Forster has played for Tottenham in the Europa so also qualifies in essence. I am not sure how reliable that football.london article is. The only one I couldn't work out is Reguilón. But how strict do you want to be? Govvy (talk) 12:19, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

::::I also did some extra research and you are right that Werner played the group stage of the cup and was left off the roster for the playoffs. Reguilon didn't play a minute for the club in the UEL (but I'm not sure if he was also on the roster for at least for the group stage or not at all). Kinský was definitely not on the roster, he only transferred to Tottenham in January and was no eligibile to play for them in the UEL. So I suggest deleting it at least from Kinský. FromCzech (talk) 12:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

• This is similar to the "Should Messi be credited with the 2005 Supercopa de España when he wasn't in the squad in either leg of the tournament?". The consensus on that one was "no, he should not" even though Barcelona credit him with it on their website (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Messi#cite_note-2005Supercopa-24 here]). Black Kite (talk) 12:25, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

I've had to revert the Tottenham page a few times over this, it's a rather interesting issue. But a lot of what you call the third world and over a billion people that have access to wikipedia on a mobile can only view on a mobile. This is a billion people accessing content. Which makes it just as important to be able to read the content. So we come up to tables, a lot of tables make content unreadable to these people simply by being in a table. For example the Manchester United page the honours are completely unreadable for a mini browser here. It basically violates MOS:RESOL. This is what I am trying to avoid with the Tottenham page. So maybe people can be more aware of these issues. Thank you. Govvy (talk) 10:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

Can someone take a look at Supercopa de España? Someone has moved all the individual season pages e.g. 2025 Supercopa de España was moved to 2024 Supercopa de España, 2024 Supercopa de España was moved to 2023 Supercopa de España etc. It is causing confusion as the links to each edition (for example the links in Supercopa de España#Finals by year) are now linking to the wrong year and seems a mess. Hashim-afc (talk) 19:48, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, I have raised this at the talk page of {{ping|GiantSnowman}} as it was already brought up there, but happy for anyone with appropriate access seeing it here to perform the necessary fixes... Crowsus (talk) 22:16, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

::And, those page moves are also causing navigation issues on the infoboxes, example on 2024 Supercopa de España where the 2024 is currently in bold, i.e. 2024. Same applies to the 'last appearance as' column where the same links are also seen as bold text when looking at the articles. It should be wise to return those pages whence they came since they were moved without any discussion and would also fix the linking issue. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 09:56, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I should also say when moving forward to the immediate later year, it currently moves forward two years instead of one which is what the infoboxes are supposed to be used properly. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 10:00, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Crowsus}} It appears you performed cut and paste moves to "fix" the pages, thus worsening the mess.. I've requested it be corrected, please use the proper moving method in the future. S.A. Julio (talk) 14:40, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::I know it was technically wrong and accept any sanctions that may come against me for doing so, but it was taking far too long for those with the appropriate permissions to fix the issue after it had been flagged up by multiple editors - in my opinion, by far the most important thing in the short term was for the information to be correct and navigable for the readers, with the procedural corrections being of secondary concern, and of less urgency so long as what is being displayed is in the place the readers are looking for it until those corrections are actioned. Crowsus (talk) 16:16, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::: I have cleaned up the history too now. Apologies for dropping the ball here and letting this linger unactioned, that was not very nice of me. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I want to ask. When do we change the current squad of the team? For example, in Bali United already two players are confirmed to be out of the team. It's mentioned in the club's website. Do we remove it when it was announced or wait until 1 June or 1 July? Wira rhea (talk) 11:33, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:We wait until the player's contract at their old club expires and the transfer window opens. Robby.is.on (talk) 09:46, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::Okay, even if the club already announced it right? Wira rhea (talk) 14:17, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello! A new discussion has been started at Talk:2025 FIFA Club World Cup on how to label the tournament i.e. whether this tournament should be referred to as "inaugural". I would love to get the opinion of the project, since the last time we really had this discussion in earnest was Fall 2024. Thanks! Jay eyem (talk) 03:43, 29 May 2025 (UTC)