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Disagreement on Christchurch article re:settlement definition

There is a dispute at the article for Christchurch, Dorset over whether, how, and in how much detail, the article should cover Bournemouth Airport – a major employer which was in the now defunct borough of Christchurch, but some distance outside the built-up area in a neighbouring parish. This is essentially a difference of opinion on how to handle the ambiguity around defining settlements. If you think you can help resolve this, join the discussion at Talk:Christchurch,_Dorset#Bournemouth_airport. Thanks, Joe D (t) 10:38, 3 April 2022‎ (UTC)

Good article reassessment for [[Romford]]

Romford has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm Talk 03:44, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for [[Avon Gorge]]

Avon Gorge has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 14:49, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

[[Bradfield Heath]]

Hi. I am looking for the projects opinion regarding the above article. The article is currently without any references. When I started looking, I am not sure that Bradfield Heath (BH) is an actual village. Kelly's Directory of Essex, Hertfordshire and Middlesex of 1891, does not have a separate BH entry, only mentioning a post box is collected from there in the main Bradfield page.[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Z4PjSi7auEcC&pg=PA41&dq=%22Bradfield+Heath%22+village&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwidyNn_6_ONAxW8QEEAHeenK9YQ6AF6BAgGEAM#v=onepage&q=%22Bradfield%20Heath%22%20village&f=false] William White's History, Gazetteer, and Directory of the County of Essex of 1863, says under the Bradfield entry that there is some houses on BH.[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=EFGDaZycnYwC&pg=PA486&dq=%22Bradfield+Heath%22+village&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwidyNn_6_ONAxW8QEEAHeenK9YQ6AF6BAgHEAM#v=onepage&q=%22Bradfield%20Heath%22%20village&f=false] In Local and Personal Laws Part 231 from 1884, the description says the road leads from BH to Bradfield village [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=rFgwAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA16-PA11&dq=%22Bradfield+Heath%22+village&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwidyNn_6_ONAxW8QEEAHeenK9YQ6AF6BAgEEAM#v=onepage&q=%22Bradfield%20Heath%22%20village&f=false], while Chapman Andre's 1777 map if Essex shows Bradfield village, but BH as a Heath, but in the Tendring council Conservation Area Review, it says "substantial linear settlement

comprising Bradfield and Bradfield Heath".[https://legacy.tendringdc.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/planning/heritage%252C%2520conservation%2520%2526%2520trees/conservation%2520areas/Bradfield%2520WHOLE%2520DOC.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwihoLuP7vONAxWeZ0EAHcETJPMQFnoECB8QBg&usg=AOvVaw0fCkmTBYissBlE6d2OVfXzhttps://legacy.tendringdc.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/planning/heritage%252C%2520conservation%2520%2526%2520trees/conservation%2520areas/Bradfield%2520WHOLE%2520DOC.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwihoLuP7vONAxWeZ0EAHcETJPMQFnoECB8QBg&usg=AOvVaw0fCkmTBYissBlE6d2OVfXz] Should Bradfield Heath be merged into Bradfield? Davidstewartharvey (talk) 16:41, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:Bradfield is a long linear village with a road half way along it called "Heath Road" but no evidence on any map of a separate settlement called Bradfield Heath. Can't find any sources that give it notability as a separate settlement, so I would support merging it into the main village article. 10mmsocket (talk) 17:02, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::Philips and Streetmap give it as a separate village https://www.streetmap.co.uk/map?x=613500&y=229500&z=120&sv=Bradfield&st=3&tl=Map+of+Bradfield+Heath,+Essex+[City/Town/Village]&searchp=ids&mapp=map, however Bradfield Hall, which is supposedly in Bradfield Heath, is listed as Bradfield Hall Steam Mill Road Bradfield Manningtree Essex CO11 2QZ not BH on a planning application.[https://tdcdemocracy.tendringdc.gov.uk/ieDecisionDetails.aspx?Id=5354] Also when you do a postcode search on Roysl Mail for BH, you only get Bradfield. I think a merge is best, but I will let other people give their opinion. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 17:19, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:::In A view into Essex by Jarvis, Stanley M. 1979, [https://archive.org/details/viewintoessex0000jarv/mode/1up?q=%22bradfield+Heath%22] it says "Bradfield, the next village, has its hall on a moated site a mile or so south of church and inn, past the newer settlement of Bradfield Heath". And in the 1972, Davidstewartharvey (talk) 17:39, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::::The [https://www.fonant.com/osmap.html OS map] clearly shows Bradfield Heath as a separate settlement. Technically a hamlet as the church is in Bradfield proper. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 18:12, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::There was a methodist chapel in BH, though i cant find when it was stopped bring used. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 18:27, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::Chapels don't count, it needs an Anglican parish church to be a village. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 19:05, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Not as clear as you claim: OS label lots of things, and there is no differentiation in style between how they label a settlement vs other types of places and physical features. OS could indeed be saying that Bradfield Heath is the name of a hamlet, but they could equally be saying that Bradfield Heath is the name of an area of heathland habitat (on which a part of Bradfield village has since been built), the two options would look the same on their maps. This is why OS maps are generally not good sources for Wikipedia, they need interpreting and rarely make unambiguous statements. There have been a few cases of people creating Wikipedia articles for a "place" shown on the OS map that upon investigation turned out to be just a farm with that name. Joe D (t) 18:44, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:The post office which is located in the section of the village beside Ordnance Survey's "Bradfield Heath" label calls itself "Bradfield Post Office" – so even if the term Bradfield Heath is in use as the name of a settlement (rather than of a heathland habitat), that implies that Bradfield Heath is viewed as a part of Bradfield, rather than as a distinct hamlet.

:But the question of whether Bradfield Heath is real/a hamlet/a heathland/something else is probably moot: there is at most one sentence potentially worth saving in the Bradfield Heath article (the Bradfield Hall sentence, if it can be backed up with RS), so we should merge it with its civil parish article, like we usually do for tiny hamlets that will never have more than a paragraph to be written about them. Joe D (t) 18:59, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::Bradfield Heath was an actual heath as per Chapman & Andre's map of 1777, and had army camps on it (it was also known as Mistley heath in another book I found). I think it's best that I move it across and improve Bradfield. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 19:18, 15 June 2025 (UTC)