Talk:American Legislative Exchange Council#Rebeccalutz.27s recent changes

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• {{cite news|url=http://www.governing.com/topics/politics/What-Makes-Alec-Smart.html|title=What Makes Alec Smart?|date=October 2003|publisher=Governing|first=Alan|last=Greenblatt}}. {{done}}

::More needs to be added from this source. It's incredibly dense and informative. I'll get to the rest in the next couple of days if others haven't already. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 10:04, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

• {{cite news|url=http://www.governing.com/topics/politics/ALEC-enjoys-new-wave-influence-criticism.html|title=ALEC Enjoys A New Wave of Influence and Criticism|date=December 2011|publisher=Governing|first=Alan|last=Greenblatt}}. {{done}}

::This is a more recent Governing article by Greenblatt. I haven't read it in depth yet but it could provide excellent reliable coverage of some of the recent controversies. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 18:40, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

• {{cite news|url=http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/03/alec-funding-crisis-big-donors-trayvon-martin|title=ALEC facing funding crisis from donor exodus in wake of Trayvon Martin row|date=December 3, 2013|publisher=The Guardian|first=Ed|last=Pilkington}} {{done}}
• {{cite news|url=http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&dat=20020610&id=PfEyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pwgGAAAAIBAJ&pg=6087,2665669|title=ALEC's friends bill taxpayers: Biggest industries come to control lobbying council|date=June 10, 2002|publisher=The Free Lance-Star|page=A1|first=Hank|last=Shaw}} {{done}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.npr.org/2013/12/10/249956329/how-alec-serves-as-a-dating-service-for-politicians-and-corporations|title=How ALEC Serves As A 'Dating Service' For Politicians And Corporations|publisher=NPR|date=December 10, 2013}} {{done}}
• {{cite news|url=http://host.madison.com/news/local/writers/jessica_vanegeren/what-madison-rep-chris-taylor-learned-at-the-alec-conference/article_479f4ad0-0136-11e3-9e5b-0019bb2963f4.html|title=What Madison Rep. Chris Taylor learned at the ALEC conference|newspaper=The Capital Times|date=August 10, 2013|first=Jessica|last=Vanegeren}} {{done}}
• {{cite news|url=http://host.madison.com/news/opinion/column/rep-chris-taylor-in-alec-s-underworld-democracy-is-a/article_ba371f6f-f61c-5169-baa9-1b42f355ae5c.html|title=Rep. Chris Taylor: In ALEC's underworld, democracy is a burden|newspaper=The Capital Times|date=October 1, 2013|first=Chris|last=Taylor}} {{done}}

::Opinion source. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 21:06, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

• {{cite news|url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/04/former-chair-accuses-alec-of-anti-democrat-bias.html|title=Former Chair Accuses ALEC of Anti-Democrat Bias|publisher=The Daily Beast|date=May 4, 2012|first=Ben|last=Jacobs}} {{done}}

::--Dr. Fleischman (talk) 20:59, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

• {{cite news|url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-alec-stands-its-ground/2013/12/04/ad593320-5d2c-11e3-bc56-c6ca94801fac_story.html|title=ALEC stands its ground|newspaper=The Washington Post|date=December 4, 2013|first=Dana|last=Milbank}} {{done}}

::Opinion though some aspects may be cited for facts. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 06:37, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

• {{cite news|url=http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/juan-williams/222965-martin-case-puts-alec-in-spotlight|title=Trayvon killing puts American Legislative Exchange Council in the spotlight|newspaper=The Hill|date=April 23, 2012|first=Juan|last=Williams}} {{done}}

::Opinion piece. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 07:47, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

• {{cite news|url=http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/05/06/2875525/private-group-carries-sway-in.html|title=Private conservative group ALEC carries sway in legislature|newspaper=The News & Observer|date=May 6, 2013|first=John|last=Frank}} {{done}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/alec_model_bills_used_in_nj_la.html|title=Some of Christie's biggest bills match model legislation from D.C. group called ALEC|newspaper=The Star Ledger|date=April 3, 2012|first=Salvador|last=Rizzo}} {{done}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/at_arizona_gathering_alec_teac.html|title=At Arizona gathering, ALEC teaches lawmakers how to turn conservative ideas into law|newspaper=The Star Ledger|date=April 1, 2012|first=Salvador|last=Rizzo}} {{done}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/despite_similarities_officials.html|title=Despite similarities, officials say they did not use model ALEC bills for Christie's education legislation|newspaper=The Star Ledger|date=April 1, 2012|first=Salvador|last=Rizzo}} {{notdone}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.omaha.com/news/nebraska-state-sen-danielle-conrad-blasts-national-group/article_ee395785-0dba-5812-ae58-938225cf5a29.html|title=Nebraska State Sen. Danielle Conrad blasts national group|newspaper=Omaha World-Herald|date=December 5, 2013|first=Paul|last=Hammel}} {{notdone}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/obama-climate-rule-states-lash-out-107450.html|title=Some states already lashing at climate rule|publisher=Politico|date=June 4, 2014|first=Andrew|last=Restuccia}} {{notdone}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/2011/12/21/gIQA9ccRLP_story.html|title=Ghostwriter at work for Virginia’s assembly?|newspaper=The Washington Post|date=December 27, 2011|first=Anita|last=Kumar}} {{done}}
• {{cite web|url=http://www.brookings.edu/research/articles/2013/12/06-american-legislative-exchange-council-jackman|title=ALEC’s Influence over Lawmaking in State Legislatures|publisher=Brookings Institution|date=December 6, 2013|first=Molly|last=Jackman}} {{done}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/05/alec_gains_foothold_in_oregon.html|title=ALEC gains foothold in Oregon, with one-fourth of legislators as members|newspaper=The Oregonian|date=May 26, 2012|first=Michelle|last=Cole}} {{done}}
• {{cite web|url=http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/exposing-alec-how-conservative-backed-state-laws-are-all-connected/255869/|title=Exposing ALEC: How Conservative-Backed State Laws Are All Connected|publisher=The Atlantic|date=April 14, 2012|first=Nancy|last=Scola}} {{done}}
• {{cite episode|url=http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/why-alec-matters-123923523719|title=Why ALEC matters|network=MSNBC|date=January 21, 2014|series=All In with Chris Hayes}} {{done}}
• {{cite episode|url=http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/why-alec-is-so-effective-124965955771|title=Why ALEC is so effective|network=MSNBC|date=January 22, 2014|series=All In with Chris Hayes}} {{done}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/30/opinion/paul-krugman-charlatans-cranks-and-kansas.html|title=Charlatans, Cranks and Kansas|newspaper=The New York Times|date=June 29, 2014|first=Paul|last=Krugman}} {{notdone}}

::Opinion piece, of course. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 06:11, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

• {{cite news|url=http://www2.ljworld.com/weblogs/capitol-report/2013/dec/17/brownback-says-perception-of-alec-influe/|title=Brownback says perception of ALEC influence is 'overblown'|newspaper=Lawrence Journal-World|date=December 17, 2013|first=Scott|last=Rothschild}} {{done}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.wral.com/mccrory-says-he-is-happy-to-speak-to-controversial-group-of-lawmakers/13779022/|title=McCrory says he is 'happy' to speak to controversial group of lawmakers|publisher=WRAL-TV|date=July 1, 2014|first=Mark|last=Binker}} {{notdone}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/07/08/alec-the-free-market-group-liberals-love-to-hate-gets-a-new-boss/|title=ALEC, the free-market group liberals love to hate, gets a new boss|newspaper=The Washington Post|date=July 8, 2014|first=Niraj|last=Chokshi}} {{done}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/07/09/meet-the-new-head-of-alec-the-free-market-group-of-state-legislators/|title=Meet the new head of ALEC, the free-market group of state legislators|newspaper=The Washington Post|date=July 9, 2014|first=Niraj|last=Chokshi}} {{done}}
• {{cite news|url=http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/07/16/progressive-groups-merge-in-effort-to-counter-koch-backed-alec/|title=Progressive Groups Merge in Effort to Counter ALEC in State Capitols|newspaper=The Wall Street Journal|date=July 16, 2014|first=Reid J.|last=Epstein}} {{not done}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/on-small-business/nations-largest-small-business-group-faces-fresh-skepticism-over-new-link-to-alec/2014/08/06/15cdd8a8-1d7f-11e4-ab7b-696c295ddfd1_story.html|title=Nation’s largest small-business group faces fresh skepticism over new link to ALEC|newspaper=The Washington Post|date=August 7, 2014|first=J.D.|last=Harrison}} {{done}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/pssst-wanna-buy-a-law-12012011.html|title=Pssst ... Wanna Buy a Law?|newspaper=Bloomberg BusinessWeek|date=December 1, 2011|first1=Brendan|last1=Greeley|first2=Alison|last2=Fitzgerald}} (already cited, but expand) {{done}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/05/08/8828/alec-exempted-lobbyist-status-three-separate-states|title=ALEC exempted from lobbyist status in three separate states|publisher=Center for Public Integrity|date=May 8, 2014|first=Paul|last=Abowd}} {{done}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-23/bp-ends-involvement-with-american-legislative-exchange-council|title=BP Ends Involvement With American Legislative Exchange Council|newspaper=Bloomberg BusinessWeek|date=March 23, 2015|first=Michael B|last=Marois}} {{done}}

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• {{cite news|url=http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2015/0330/Who-s-pushing-the-religious-freedom-legislation-in-states|title=Who's pushing the 'religious freedom' legislation in states?|newspaper=The Christian Science Monitor|date=March 30, 2015|first=Lisa|last=Suhay}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2014-12-03/alec-is-back-and-ready-to-resume-its-conservative-agenda|title=ALEC is Back and Ready to Resume its Conservative Agenda|publisher=Bloomberg Politics|date=December 3, 2014|first=Julie|last=Bykowicz}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/17/ford-quits-alec-lobby-conservative-environment|title=Ford becomes latest corporation to sever ties with conservative Alec lobby|newspaper=The Guardian|date=February 17, 2016|first=Ed|last=Pilkington}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/08/american-electric-power-ditches-alec-membership|title=American Electric Power quits Alec as it helps states move to clean power|newspaper=The Guardian|date=December 8, 2015|first=Oliver|last=Milman}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/01/_liberals_and_conservatives_are_teaming_up_to_call_a_new_constitutional.html|title=The Constitutional Convention 2016?|publisher=Slate|date=January 26, 2016|first=Ashley|last=Balcerzak}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2016/jun/22/mississippi-your-alec-showing/|title=Mississippi, Your ALEC is Showing|newspaper=Jackson Free Press|date=June 22, 2016|first=Arielle|last=Dreher}}
• {{cite news|url=https://www.propublica.org/article/conservatives-plot-their-course-on-the-rising-sea-of-red-in-state-capitals|title=Conservatives Plot Their Course on the Rising ‘Sea of Red’ in State Capitals|publisher=Pro Publica|date=January 6, 2017|first=Robert|last=Faturechi}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.pressherald.com/2017/05/02/bill-would-hamstring-maine-towns-trying-to-build-internet-networks/|title=Bill seeks to restrict Maine towns’ efforts to build high-speed internet networks|newspaper=Portland Press Herald|date=May 2, 2017|first=Colin|last=Woodard}}

• {{cite journal|url=http://www.governing.com/topics/politics/gov-alec-goes-local.html|title=ALEC Goes Local|journal=Governing|date=June 2014|first=Alan|last=Greenblatt}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/alec-acce-lobby-local-tax-cuts-republicans|title=Conservative group Alec devises offshoot ACCE to lobby at local levels|newspaper=The Guardian|date=July 30, 2014|first=Ed|last=Pilkington}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/06/conservative-group-alec-city-local-government|title=Conservative group Alec trains sights on city and local government|publisher=The Guardian|first=Ed|last=Pilkington|date=March 6, 2014}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-11/corporate-lobby-alec-aims-at-u-s-city-councils-with-new-group.html|title=Corporate Lobby Sets Its Sights on Your Garbage Man|publisher=Bloomberg News|date=August 10, 2014|first=Tim|last=Jones}}
• {{cite news|url=http://host.madison.com/news/local/writers/steven_elbow/alec-sets-sights-on-local-governments/article_278a9c1d-1f02-516a-b8d2-4d64a5095cd7.html|title=ALEC sets sights on local governments|newspaper=The Capital Times|date=August 15, 2014|first=Steven|last=Elbow}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.salon.com/2014/10/17/alecs_disgusting_new_ploy_how_corporate_americas_trying_to_roll_back_local_liberal_laws/|title=ALEC’s disgusting new ploy: How corporate America’s trying to roll back local liberal laws|publisher=Salon|date=October 17, 2014|first=Ellen|last=Bravo}}

:* Haven't analyzed reliability yet. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 18:01, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

• {{cite episode|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIMgfBZrrZ8|series=Last Week Tonight with John Oliver|title=State Legislatures and ALEC|network=HBO|date=November 2, 2014|first=John|last=Oliver}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/19/us/politics/foes-of-unions-try-their-luck-in-county-laws.html|title=Foes of Unions Try Their Luck in County Laws|newspaper=The New York Times|date=December 18, 2014|first=Shaila|last=Dewan}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/13/alabama-among-many-states-moving-to-block-local-wa/|title=Alabama among many states moving to block local wage laws|newspaper=The Washington Times|date=February 13, 2016|first=Phillip|last=Lucas}}

• {{cite news|url=http://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2013/08/alec-declares-itself-exempt-public-disclosure-laws-and-challenged|title=ALEC declares itself exempt from public-disclosure laws, and is challenged|newspaper=MinnPost|date=August 22, 2013|first=Beth|last=Hawkins}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20130815-fort-worth-lawmaker-tries-to-block-request-for-information-on-dealings-with-conservative-group.ece|title=Fort Worth lawmaker tries to block request for information on dealings with conservative group|newspaper=Dallas Morning News|date=August 15, 2013|first=David|last=Barer}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.news-leader.com/article/20131215/NEWS06/312150037/lawmaker-Norr-Springfield-bill-model-legislation|title=Springfield Democratic lawmaker hopes to send message about conservative group|newspaper=Springfield News Leader|date=December 14, 2013|first=Jonathan|last=Shorman}}
• {{cite news|url=http://bigstory.ap.org/article/where-do-elite-meet-behind-closed-doors-0|title=Where Do the Elite Meet? Behind Closed Doors|publisher=Associated Press|date=May 12, 2014}}
• {{cite news|url=http://host.madison.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/leah-vukmir-agrees-to-turn-over-alec-documents-to-settle/article_3029824a-e97f-5a2f-bbf1-c013e32cda3f.html|title=

Leah Vukmir agrees to turn over ALEC documents to settle open records lawsuit|newspaper=Wisconsin State Journal|date=March 29, 2014|first=Matthew|last=DeFour}}

• {{cite news|url=http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/12/alec-bans-mother-jones-annual-conference|title=ALEC Boots Mother Jones From Its Annual Conference|magazine=Mother Jones|date=December 6, 2013|first=Andy|last=Kroll}}

• {{cite web|url=http://www.alec.org/task-forces/education/|title=Education|publisher=ALEC}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2012/03/01/kappan_underwood.html|title=A Smart ALEC Threatens Public Education|work=Education Week|first1=Julie|last1=Underwood|first2=Julie F.|last2=Mead|date=February 29, 2012}}

::Opinion source. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 06:42, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

• {{cite web|url=http://forum.illinois.edu/content/alecs-report-card-receives-failing-marks|title=ALEC's Report Card Receives Failing Marks|date=May 9, 2013|publisher=University of Illinois|work=The Forum on the Future of Public Education: Empirical scrutiny of ideological issues}}
• {{cite web|url=http://www.progressflorida.org/sites/all/files/alecvkids.pdf|title=ALEC v. Kids|publisher=ProgressNow}}
• {{cite web|url=http://nepc.colorado.edu/files/ttr-report-card-alec-lubienski-brewer.pdf|title=Review of Report Card on American Education|first1=Christopher|last1=Lubienski|first2=T. Jameson|last2=Brewer|date=May 2013|publisher=National Education Policy Center}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.minnpost.com/learning-curve/2012/03/alec-and-corporate-fingerprints-are-all-over-national-push-online-learning|title=ALEC and corporate fingerprints are all over national push for online learning|newspaper=MinnPost|date=March 26, 2012|first=Beth|last=Hawkins}}

::Questionable reliability. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 06:47, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

• {{cite news|url=http://www.minnpost.com/learning-curve/2012/02/what-are-mn-attendees-alec-confab-likely-bringing-back-think-tenure-reform|title=What are MN attendees of ALEC confab likely bringing back? Think tenure reform|newspaper=MinnPost|date=February 6, 2012|first=Beth|last=Hawkins}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/alec-koch-brothers-dark-money-anonymous-donation-120784|title='Dark money': ALEC wants image makeover|publisher=Politico|date=July 30, 2015|first=Tarini|last=Parti}}

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In each of the sources above the context in which they are to be used is critical. Are there specific edits being proposed? – S. Rich (talk) 05:11, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

:This is just research, a collection of sources that appear useful. Some of these sources may not make it into the article. I generally separate my research and writing tasks; it helps me stay organized, and it better enables other editors to contribute. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 17:43, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

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I reverted @Shock Brigade Harvester Boris's revert of my edit (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_Legislative_Exchange_Council&diff=prev&oldid=849181632 diff]) as there was no explanation provided. My edits were perfectly in line with MOS and NPOV. Quis separabit? 04:09, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

:There were a number of things wrong with your edits. For starters, you appear to have removed important, reliably sourced content such as the fact that ALEC's activities are legal. Second, your characterization of various media outlets (including the The New York Times and Bloomberg Businessweek) is unsourced and non-neutral. Third, you messed up the title of one of the sources. Fourth, you broke up some paragraphs in a way that in my view makes the prose read a little more choppily. Finally, the word "reportedly" is non-neutral as it's used as an expression of doubt. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 06:59, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

::Yup. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 11:54, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

{{re|Marquardtika}} According to WP:SPLC, SPLC is WP:RS for such claims. If you revert me, WP:AE is just around the corner. tgeorgescu (talk) 05:58, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Discussion is now taking place at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#SPLC at ALEC. tgeorgescu (talk) 02:15, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

{{re|Genericusername57}} See:

{{blockquote|Much of the Back to Neutral coalition’s work challenges companies’ attempts to expand racial and gender equality, CMD and Hatewatch found. An older nonprofit where Nelson is a board member, the National Center for Public Policy Research (NCPPR), spearheads that coalition. They purchase shares in corporations, lobby their board members and urge shareholders to vote out directors who support diversity initiatives.}}

If that's not being homophobic, then I don't know what it is. tgeorgescu (talk) 03:23, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

:Homophobic is one of those terms we really need in direct quotes. But also the quote seems much broader than homophobia. A summary of that would probably be about "lobbying against corporations' efforts to improve racial and gender diversity". Ok, that's a bit too close of a paraphrase, but something to that effect. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:30, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

{{re|Rhododendrites}} About {{tq|we can say they're involved to the extent the source says they are}}: the source is saying {{tq|“We’re particularly sensitive about this corporate woke culture,” said Nelson, using a slang term associated with social justice activism. “We have a new coalition ... that is really, really active. ... We are certainly a part of that.”}} tgeorgescu (talk) 13:05, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

:Regarding my quote, by that I mean the source justifies saying ALEC is part of the Back to Neutral coalition. The coalition is engaged in these activities. I just mean that it would be a little too much to apply the transitive property to attribute Back to Neutral's activities directly to ALEC (as opposed to Back to Neutral, which ALEC is part of). Does that make sense? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:30, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_Legislative_Exchange_Council&type=revision&diff=1102237334&oldid=1102235617 This] was an egregious WP:BLP violation which wasn't even verified by the source. I have [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_Legislative_Exchange_Council&type=revision&diff=1102345203&oldid=1102317038 changed] the content to actually reflect what the source says. Marquardtika (talk) 15:53, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

:::I'm not some kind of freak who cannot work collaboratively. The rub seems to be among "homophobic", "anti-LGBT", and {{tq|the quote seems much broader than homophobia}}. So, yeah, "homophobic" isn't mentioned verbatim, it is implied something {{tq|much broader than homophobia}}. Am I figuring it, or it got from bad to worse (for ALEC c.s.)? The BLP violation got removed so that the article sounds even meaner. You would not believe me, but in my version the charge was milder and more limited. While Nelson is no longer mentioned by name, the charge against her is worse now. By removing her name, the charge was not removed, but it is {{tq|much broader}}. The BLP violation was thus a purely formal concern. tgeorgescu (talk) 04:06, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

My WP:NPOV concerns (and the WP:BLP and WP:OR concerns raised by other editors here) have been addressed by [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_Legislative_Exchange_Council&type=revision&diff=1102345203&oldid=1102317038 this edit], although I question inclusion of the SPLC opinion per WP:UNDUE. For ALEC, “200 of its model bills become law each year”, so how many of these are LGBT-related bills, and which are on the pro- or anti- side? Participation in a coalition (which itself is not notable) and which has produced no notable model bills or even policy positions of ALEC seems irrelevant to the section titled “Notable policies and model bills”. BBQboffin (talk) 03:28, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

:Wrong place in the article? Then move the text, don't delete it. It is relevant to know what their broad network of Mitläufer organizations is doing. About laws, I heard there is a Texas law that websites are not allowed to censor Texans. See {{youtube|KAGdrVJSHgI|SCOTUS Vacates Appeals Court Order on Texas Social Media Law}}. It is quite clear that if one is a neonazi from Texas, their posts should not be deleted. This is wholly in line with Nelson's aims. She fights against "woke corporations" who censor neonazis, anti-LGBT and racists, i.e. what she calls "this corporate woke culture". About such efforts against the woke Big Tech she stated "We are certainly a part of that." Of course, I don't have WP:RS that ALEC has drafted the Texas social media law, but it certainly seems that their Mitläufer did. It certainly looks like a MAGA law. tgeorgescu (talk) 13:26, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Tie to the Koch network should be made explicit in the lead section and not buried deep in the body of the text and falsely presented as unverified claims. There’s literally dozens of books on this subject. Viriditas (talk) 01:22, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

:Thanks, good suggestion on the principle that the most important items can be gleaned by the reader in the first paragraph. Multiple books on the subject indicates the content is important. It would be helpful if you could list some of those books as a bread crumb path for Wikipedians who may have time to edit the lead. Anne9853 (talk) 22:10, 21 May 2023 (UTC)