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Revision link {{tlx|Oldid2}}

Format citation tools

{{DYK tools}}

=Fix a citation so it does not go dead=

Wikipedia:List of web archives on Wikipedia

  • https://archive.org/web/ -- Wayback machine will archive a link if it has not got a copy of it already
  • http://www.webcitation.org -- is an on-demand archiving system for webreferences (cited webpages and websites, or other kinds of Internet-accessible digital objects),

Edit tools & scripts

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Need to check the following edits

PBS-AWB need checking:

  • 07:47, 18 March 2017 Zula
  • 237 pages
  • 20:30, 18 April 2017 History of encyclopedias
  • In total there were just under 240 articles changed.
  • 08:32, 26 December 2016 George Darwin
  • 236 pages
  • 16:35 16:35, 5 March 2017 Isle of Bute

Database tools

[https://books.google.com/ngrams/ Google Ngram Viewer] - Google Books

== WP:MILHIST talk page header ==

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To do soon

:Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica check periodically

Problems with EB1911 turned into Cite EB1911 without checking.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Bob+Burkhardt&namespace=&tagfilter=&start=2010-04-15&end=2010-05-15 1 month in 2010] but was much longer.

  • Problem with NWS in external links. see Mulhouse
  • {{cite encyclopedia |last=Pierer |first= H.A. |date=1857 |title=Russisch-Deutscher Krieg gegen Frankreich 1812-1815 |encyclopedia=Pierer's Universal-Lexikon |volume=14 |page=[http://www.zeno.org/Pierer-1857/K/pierer-1857-014-0605 605, 2nd column] |language=de}}

https://refill.toolforge.org/

Accounts

See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations/Completed/34#Philip_Baird_Shearer_.E2.86.92_PBS initial request] [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Username_changes/2014-11#Philip_Baird_Shearer.40global Global steward request], [https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=PBS&blocks=true Global user contributions], [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CentralAuth&target=PBS Global account information]

Seaches for wikisource

  • {{search link|insource:/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Dictionary_of_National_Biography/}} —
  • {{search link|insource:/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/1911/}} —
  • {{search link|insource:/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Dictionary_of_Indian_Biography/}}
  • {{search link|insource:/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Dictionary/}} — Any Dictionary
  • {{search link|insource:/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Encyclopedia/}} — Any Encyclopedia
  • {{search link|insource:/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Encyclopeadia/}} — Any Encyclopeadia

Projects

Some useful links to the Wikipedia:WikiProject areas I am interested in

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Pages statistics

Categories

Mass messages

contact/notify lots of users using Wikipedia:Mass message senders

Mass message sender is a user group that allows users to send messages to multiple users at once. Further user documentation can be found at m:MassMessage and mw:Help:Extension:MassMessage.

Users with massmessage user right can send a message using Special:MassMessage.

See also User:PBS/MessageList

Maintenance templates

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  • Template:New page An example of a maintenance template that displays all the worst characteristics of maintenance templates.

Two bad ones (from History of North Rhine-Westphalia):

{{tl|lead too short}}

{{tl|Duplication}}

WP:Orphan {{tlx|orphan}} Wikipedia:Perennial proposals Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 108#Proposal to move the Orphan tags to the talk page

Attribution removed

  • https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andronikos_I_Komnenos&type=revision&diff=665008143&oldid=664076929 -- a real problem. [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Andronikos_I_Komnenos&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikisource.org%2Fwiki%2F1911_Encyclop%25C3%25A6dia_Britannica%2FAndronicus_I 81%]
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andronikos_II_Palaiologos&type=revision&diff=665015343&oldid=662100256 [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Andronikos_II_Palaiologos&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikisource.org%2Fwiki%2F1911_Encyclop%25C3%25A6dia_Britannica%2FAndronicus_II 2%]
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=And%C3%BAjar&type=revision&diff=665009384&oldid=665009300 [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=And%C3%BAjar&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikisource.org%2Fwiki%2F1911_Encyclop%25C3%25A6dia_Britannica%2FAnd%25C3%25BAjar 20%]
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Angle&type=revision&diff=665277028&oldid=665153627 [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Angle&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikisource.org%2Fwiki%2F1911_Encyclop%25C3%25A6dia_Britannica%2FAngle 60%]
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aniline&type=revision&diff=666112889&oldid=665647448 [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Aniline&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikisource.org%2Fwiki%2F1911_Encyclop%25C3%25A6dia_Britannica%2FAniline 55%]
  • Annan, Dumfries and Galloway [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Annan%2C+Dumfries+and+Galloway&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikisource.org%2Fwiki%2F1911_Encyclop%25C3%25A6dia_Britannica%2FAnnan 25%]
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Annuity_%28European%29&type=revision&diff=667230106&oldid=660351737 [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Annuity+%28European%29&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikisource.org%2Fwiki%2F1911_Encyclop%25C3%25A6dia_Britannica%2FAnnuity 98%]

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  • https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michelson%E2%80%93Morley_experiment&type=revision&diff=502942073&oldid=502820288 18 July 2012
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Badrinath_Temple&type=revision&diff=692226398&oldid=689493180 [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Badrinath+Temple&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikisource.org%2Fwiki%2F1911_Encyclop%25C3%25A6dia_Britannica%2FBadrinath 2%]
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ancient_borough&type=revision&diff=697442755&oldid=693799753 [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Ancient+borough&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikisource.org%2Fwiki%2F1911_Encyclop%25C3%25A6dia_Britannica%2FBorough 99%]

Article with author but different ref tag pairs used:

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pazhou&oldid=730293658 "Pazhou"]

PD Templates

  • {{red|(There is no inline citation referencing this source)}}
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:String#replace

See Module talk:Citation/CS1

See Module:Template_wrapper

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20100203024158&limit=500&tagfilter=&contribs=user&target=Bob+Burkhardt&namespace=0 List of EB1911 to Cite EB1911]

Help:Magic_words m:Help:Magic words Wikipedia:Lua

  • {{tlx|hiddencat}} {{tlx|Empty category}}

See User talk:Diego Grez#Cite DGRC, User talk:Mr Stephen#Wikisource names, User talk:Bob Burkhardt#1911 wstitle= User talk:Slowking4

=List of PD Templates=

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  • {{tlx|Eminent Scotsmen}} — this needs work to bring it in line with other similar templates

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;Foreign Language

  • French Dictionnaire Bouillet ((1878)) — {{tlx|Bouillet}} — parameter {{para|wstitle}} links to French Wikisource article
  • French ''Grand dictionnaire universel du XIXe siècle (1866–1877) — {{tlx|Cite LarousseXIXe}}
  • German Neue Deutsche Biographie — {{tlx|NDB}} {{tlx|Cite NDB}} {{tlx|NDB poster}}
  • Spanish Geographic Dictionary of the Republic of Chile 1899 — {{tlx|Diccionario Geográfico de la República de Chile entry}}, {{tlx|DGRC}} {{tlx|cite DGRC}} {{tlx|DGRC poster}}
  • Russian Russian Biographical Dictionary (1896–1918) — {{tlx|RBD}} — does not take any parameters (is just a banner)

;Use page and other parameters to set url.

  • {{tlx|Cite Notitia Parliamentaria}} (1750) — This source will eventually be replaced with the History Of Parliament website
  • {{tlx|Bryan (3rd edition)}} (1886) – Bryan's Dictionary of Painters and Engravers — works out the url using volume and page
  • {{tlx|Bryan (1903 edition)}}
  • {{tlx|Newgenbio}} — A New General Biographical Dictionary — works out the url using volume and page
  • {{tlx|Cite LotEP}} — Lives of the Eminent Philosophers — if a name is given it links to the correct Book

;Modern PD

;Other Modern

  • American National Biography (1999) — {{tlx|Cite ANB}} — not wstitle option or attribution options. {{tlx|ANB}} {{tlx|ANB poster}}
  • Dictionary of American Biography — {{tlx|Cite DAB}} not wstitle option or attribution options. lots of work but only 250 entries {{tlx|DAB}} {{tlx|DAB poster}}
  • Dictionary of Canadian Biography — {{tlx|Cite DCB}} — Links such as this: [http://www.biographi.ca/009004-119.01-e.php?&id_nbr=27 Dictionary of Canadian Biography] need to be moved into the {{tlx|Cite DCB}}
  • English Heritage, National Heritage List for England — {{tlx|NHLE}}
  • Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy — {{tlx|Cite SEP}} — — takes an unusual parameter {{para|url-id}}
  • Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy. — {{tlx|Cite IEP}}— takes an unusual parameter {{para|url-id}}
  • {{tlx|Cite Grove}} – Grove Music Online or New Grove, 2nd ed., 2001 depending on whether an internet link is provided
  • {{tlx|Cite NewGrove1980}} – New Grove, 1st ed., 1980
  • {{tlx|Cite NewGrove2001}} – New Grove, 2nd ed., 2001
  • {{tlx|Cite NewGroveJazz2002}} – New Grove Dictionary of Jazz, 2nd ed., 2002
  • {{tlx|Cite Colledge2006}} and {{tlx|Cite Colledge2010}}

;Also

  • {{tlx|Venn}} now called {{tlx|Acad}}
  • {{tlx|Rayment}}
  • {{tlx|Medieval Lands by Charles Cawley}}

Templates

  • {{tl|stub}} {{tl|bio-stub}} {{tl|hist-stub}} {{tl|sectstub}} {{tl|npov}} {{tl|NPOV-section}} {{tl|controversial}} {{subst|unsigned2|DATE| NAME}}
  • {{Not verified|date=February 2007}} {{unreliable|article|date=May 2007}} {{tl|unreferencedsect}} {{tl|unreferenced}} {{tl|verify}} {{tl|Unref-talk}} {{tl|refimprove}}
  • {{tl|Fact}} {{tl|Failed verification}}, {{tl|Verify credibility}},{{tl|Verify source}}, {{tl|weasel-inline}}, {{tl|who}}, {{tl|POV-statement}}
  • {{tlx|Unreliable source inline}} redirects to {{tlx|Verify credibility}} to confirm it use {{tlx|Verify credibility|failed{{=}}y}}
  • {{tlx|Self-published source}} {{tlx|Better source}} -- both inline
  • Navigational templates
  • Template messages
  • Wikipedia:Maintenance
  • {{pp-dispute|small=yes}} {{pp-semi-protected|small=yes}}{{tl|sprotected}} only show padlock:{{tl|sprotected2}} {{pp-semi-template|small=yes}}
  • {{otheruses|name}}
  • Wikipedia:Template_messages/Cleanup#Lists

{{User15|{{BASEPAGENAME}}}}

  • {{tl|block}}
  • {{tl|expand list}}
  • {{tls|Welcome-anon}} {{tls|welcome2}} {{tls|Welcome with spinning icon}}
  • {{tl|main}} {{tl|details}}
  • Wikipedia:Template messages/Maintenance {{tl|inuse}}
  • {{tl|R from other capitalisation}}

;Column lists

{{tl|Columns-list}} or {{tl|Multicol}} or {{tl|Div col}} if the list is lengthy.

  • {{tlx|Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary}} redirect to {{tlx|EFron}} {{tlx|Cite Efron}} — expanded in March
  • {{tlx|Digitalisat}} on I wrote by copying from de Wikipedia (April 2017}}
  • {{tlx|Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae}} expanded in April 2017 -- users startpage
  • {{tlx|Royal Collection}} expanded in April 2017

Better source needed

  • [https://archive.org Wayback Machine] (http://alternativeto.net/software/wayback-machine/) see also User:H3llBot
  • Special:LinkSearch/thepeerage.com — External link search
  • {{search link|insource:/thepeerage.com/}} OK if Lundy is used as source for WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT as Lndy normally cites a reliable source. Where he does (often citing a email exchange), then his site is unacceptable. The problem is following up the links and adding the reliable source takes time.
  • See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Peerage and Baronetage/Archive 10#Baroness of Douglas at AfD and Template_talk:Rayment#Reliability and {{tl|Rayment}}
  • See RS Medieval Lands by Charles Cawley website: [http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/Intro.htm Medieval Lands introduction] v2.0. Updated 30 November 2010 {{tl|Medieval Lands by Charles Cawley}} The project "involves extracting and analysing detailed information from primary sources, including contemporary chronicles, cartularies, necrologies and testaments." — The problem is Cawley uses a lot of primary sources and then draws inferences that if they were directly done by a Wikipedia editor would fail WP:PSTS and as an unrliable sources, it introduces this type of error into Wikipedia so WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT is often not appropriate on this site.
  • Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 211#genealogy.euweb.cz and geneall.net
  • {{search link|insource:/genealogy.euweb.cz/}} Genealogy.EU by Miroslav Marek Last updated: 17th March 2008 Genealogy.EU
  • {{search link|insource:/genealogics.org/}}
  • [http://www.peerages.info/index.htm David Beamish's Peerage Page] {{search link|insource:/www.peerages.info/}}
  • {{search link|insource:/angelfire.com/realm/}} eg http://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/gotha/luynes.html
  • {{search link|insource:/genealogy.euweb.cz/}}
  • {{search link|insource:/geneall.net/}}
  • {{search link|insource:/ww-person.com/}}
  • {{search link|insource:/wwperson.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/}}
  • {{search link|insource:/roglo.eu\/roglo/}}
  • {{search link|insource:/www.royaltyguide.nl/}}
  • {{search link|insource:/whttp://www.tudorplace.com.ar/}}

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If the template calls {{tl|better source}} etc it must have a date parameter passed into it and to set the place it in Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Dated templates

{{tlx|Unreliable source?|failed{{=}}y{{!}}date{{=}} }}

Darryl Lundy's The Peerage

Thank you for creating the article John Clinton, 6th Lord Clinton on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Clinton,_6th_Baron_Clinton&oldid=749501432 14 November 2016‎]. However it is clear that the contents came from Darryl Lund's website [http://www.thepeerage.com/p22803.htm#i228028 thepeerage.com].Lundy's website is not reliable (it is self published by a none expert), but you can use Lund's website as a source providing the information he provides is backed up by a Wikipedia reliable source (some of it isn't it comes from email correspondence and the like).

Unless you have access to his reliable sources, you can not cite his sources directly, instead you must cite his source and then the reliable source. This is explained in more detail in the section in the citations guideline linked to by WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT.

I have copied edited the article and added in the appropriate style of citations see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Clinton%2C_6th_Baron_Clinton&type=revision&diff=803413716&oldid=803411475 this edit]. If you have added information based on any of Lundy's pages to any other article and have not stated that the information came from his website, please add the appropriate additional citations as specified in WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT.

=Juliet Barker: medieval dates=

:Juliet Barker in her Agincourt: The King, the Campaign, the Battle has a few paragraphs on how difficult it is to date things of this period accurately. First the year is given from the start of a kings reign rather than (in the year of our Lord). Secondly the day is given in two ways one is by saints days (or as an offset from a saints day for example "two days after the feast of St. Andrew"), and the other by the Ides, so working out the dates in primary sources during middle ages is complicated. For example one English document may be dated from the start year of Henry V reign and the day as an offset from an ide, while a French document for the same day will use their King coronation year and then use a local saint's day to date an event that happened on the same day.

Don't collapse references

MOS:COLLAPSE, MOS:DONTHIDE

[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers|MOS:Dates and numbers]]

=={{anchor|Date ranges}}Ranges==

{{shortcut|MOS:DOB|MOS:OTHERDATE|MOS:DATERANGE}}

Anchors:

  • Date ranges
  • Other date ranges
  • Dates of birth and death

The section used to give not advise on year format for ranges. The alteration to being 4 digit intolerance started without an RfC by user:PL290. I have not objected because at the time I was not aware of the change and because the current wording it includes "usually" which allows wriggle room.

  • "and the range's end year is usually abbreviated to two digits:"

For a long time Wikipeida used full year in all dates because the year used to be linked to the year article, so people used 2015-2016 probably because it was easier to type than 2015–16, but as it was widely used no one bothered with explicit rules. The policy of linking years was eventually abolished after a long and acrimonious abate which culminated in an RfC on the issue.

The reason for such abbreviations came about in old physical publications because each character in a physical book costs money (and also explains the use of standard Latin abbreviations like eg). The EB1911 saved pages in every volume by using such abbreviations and other tricks such as concatenating paragraphs unless it is absolutely necessary for reasons other than style.

::I am drafting this section on 24 July 2016 and coincidently during the last week the British Government website has announced that it is banning the use of Latin abbreviations on its website (with several argument including they are confusing for some people):

::*{{cite news |first=Jane |last=Mathews |date=23 July 2016 |title=Government bans Latin abbreviations on its websites to avoid confusion |newspaper=Daily Telegraph |url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/government-bans-latin-abbreviations-on-its-websites-to-avoid-con/}}

Wikipedia is not a book we do not need to make such space savings (the argument advanced and widely accepted for not truncating the moth to the first three letters). Particularly when there are arguments the other way:

  • Confusion both for readers who are not familiar with such rules, and it is complicated for editors because the rules cover inconsistency on what to use: use four digits if it is a DOD, or the end of a sporting event, but not other events.
  • abbreviating dates makes electronic searches more difficult both for internal and external searches. Let me give you a simple example suppose that you want to know all the events that happened for a particular year. If the full year is added then that is a relatively simple to find the dates, eg: the DOD of a notable person or the end of a siege. Now if the search can be made using a regular expression then this information can also be found, but it presupposes that the person who wishes to do the search knows how to create a regular expression and that the search engine can accept such expressions, how often is that true?

The weight of advised on the guideline page was for full years on ranges up until this edit on

  • [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers&diff=prev&oldid=386711504 diff]

However if one looks at the start of 2011 the advise is contradictory and supports both formats:

  • [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers&oldid=405405119 First edit of 2011]

It is only gradually that we have ended up in the current position where there is such a strong statement and as far as I can tell we have stumbled into this without any real justification for it.

Linking to another language article

{{tl|ill}} an acceptable way to link to another another language article in text eg: {{Interlanguage link multi|Jean-Bertrand Féraud|fr|3=Jean Bertrand Féraud}}

(disambiguation)

{{tl|disambig}} {{tl|otheruses}}

Three-revert rule and other

deletes

Guidelines

Admin pages

Some sock-masters and others

:User:Beeblebrox/The unblockables

:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations {{tl|Sockpuppet}} {{tl|Uw-socksuspect}} {{tl|SockBlock}} (admin) {{tl|user6}}

::Category:Sockpuppet templates

:Wikipedia:Wikimedia Labs/Toolserver replacements

:toollabs:sigma/editorinteract.py Check out edit patters by two or more users (between interaction)

While this talk page is unavailable to you, if wish to appeal the block you can use the Unblock Ticket Request System or email the Arbitration Committee as detailed at WP:BASC.

User:Cirt: User talk:PBS/Archive 12#October 2010, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive644#PBS - block review, Wikipedia:External discussion, Wikipedia:Off-wiki policy discussion, Wikipedia:Correspondence off-wiki

Arbitration

Polls

  • Wikipedia:Naming policy poll -- There are cases when the official name of a location (generally cities) is different than what most English speakers call it.
  • {{tl|Polltop}}

Mailing lists

  • http://mail.wikipedia.org/
  • mail:

Example farms and OR lists

{{tl|examplefarm}} {{tl|Section OR}}

Copyright and plagiarism issues

  • [https://toolserver.org/~earwig/copyvios earwig tool]. The tool will then search for its content elsewhere on the web and display a report if a similar webpage is found.
  • Wikipedia:WikiBlame is an online browser-based tool for searching the revision history of a MediaWiki based wiki for a text string to identify the author of a particular change to the page. See http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/wikiblame.php
  • the [http://tools.wmflabs.org/dupdet/ Duplicate Detector]
  • User:D's Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Instructions#Contribution surveyor, [http://tools.wmflabs.org/contributionsurveyor/ tool]

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In the conversations over WP:V you mentioned an example using EB1911. Over the last 48 hours I have been working on converting a simple template for a PD source into a more comprehensive one and then converting the instances of {{tl|WaceBio}} into {{tl|DCBL}}.

As a side issue I am going through the 2 dozen affected articles adding citations, as the original text carries non (it was added some years ago when the demand for citations was not as comprehensive as it is now). In doing this I have come across three basic types of copies:

The first two would be stylistically stunted, but I think that the last two would be impossible to keep in their current format unless they were completely rewritten as if using standard copyright material -- a restriction I see harming the project.

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For the problems of plagiarism and intext attribution see Wikipedia_talk:Plagiarism/Archive 8#Clarification of what "with very few changes" means which includes links to other sections. -- PBS (talk) 12:52, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Civility

  • [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Valereee&diff=prev&oldid=904343337 EC Californian snowflakes] 1 July 2019
  • [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ACommunity_response_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_ban_of_Fram&type=revision&diff=904955906&oldid=904953049 ClemRutter squaddies] 5 July 2019

Reliable source notice board

Pinnacle islands

  • [https://www.dur.ac.uk/ibru/publications/view/?id=222 Territorial Disputes among Japan, China and Taiwan Concerning the Senkaku Islands] "the Pinnacle Islands/Senkaku Islands/Diao-yu-tai"
  • Google Search [http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&biw=974&bih=362&q=%22Pinnacle+islands%22+site%3Aac.uk&oq=%22Pinnacle+islands%22+site%3Aac.uk&gs_l=serp.12...15958.17834.0.20641.3.3.0.0.0.0.155.373.0j3.3.0...0.0...1c.KQlz12kZm5E "Pinnacle islands" site:ac.uk]

Citation improvements and [[WP:BURDEN|Burden]]

Thoughts on some claims of disruption

What concerns me most is the attitude that is developing between some editors that to paraphrase the a quote in the terrorism#Pejorative use article

{{quote|On one point, at least, everyone agrees: terrorism [disruption] is a pejorative term. It is a word with intrinsically negative connotations that is generally applied to one's enemies and opponents, or [to those with whom one disagrees] and would otherwise prefer to ignore. `What is called terrorism [disruption]', Brian Jenkins has written, `thus seems to depend on one's point of view. Use of the term implies a moral judgement; and if one party can successfully attach the label terrorist [disruption] to its opponent, then it has indirectly persuaded others to adopt its moral viewpoint.' Hence the decision to call someone or label some organization `terrorist' [a string of edits disruptive] becomes almost unavoidably subjective, depending largely on whether one sympathizes with or opposes the person/group/cause concerned. If one identifies with the victim of the violence [disagrees with the edit], for example, then the act is terrorism [disruptive]. If, however, one identifies with the perpetrator, the violent act is regarded in a more sympathetic, if not positive (or, at the worst, an ambivalent) light; and it is not terrorism disruption.}}

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:See User talk:Spanish lullaby#Ancestry trees

There is a fundamental difference between a navigational list such as often appears in the footnotes of an article and an ancestry tree. A navigational list such as the "Regnal titles" at the end of this article contains a series of facts, each of which can be checked in the link provided. However in an ancestry tree there is information conveyed in the tree that is probably not available in of the individual articles. As an example: where is the source in any article that "Elisabetha Röhrig" is the great-great grandmother of Albert II, Prince of Monaco?

It is very easy to construct an ancestry tree from unreliable sources published on the internet. However it only takes one mistake for large parts of the tree to be incorrect. For example if a grandmother is recorded as the first wife rather the second wife (the correct mother), then a quarter of the tree will be inaccurate, even if all the other entries for every single person are correct. For this reason trees need accurate sourcing from reliable sources.

It is easy to find the parents of a child in the child's biography, but it is often difficult to find all the children of couple. However if some of the children are notable enough to have their own biography in a reliable source, this can lead to editors unwittingly adding WP:OR into an ancestry tree.

Let us suppose we are looking for the parents of a daughter X (the grandmother of the subject of an article). However X does not have a biography in a reliable source, but the father of X does (call him Y). In the biography of Y it names his wife (Z). The biography of Y states that Y and Z had a son (A) and four daughters, only 2 of which are named (B,C), but not the other two. Now it maybe that X is one of those two unnamed daughters, or it may be that X is the daughter of another marriage not included in the biography of Y. If one jumps to the conclusion that X is the daughter of Y and Z then this breaks the WP:NOR policy specifically a "synthesis of published material, because to conclude that the mother of Z is the grandmother of X is a synthesis.

Please list the sources you used to support the restoration of the ancestry tree of Albert II, Prince of Monaco, so we can discuss if they are adequate reliable sources.

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The number of sources needed is often much smaller that appears to be the case initially as a reliable genealogical source will often span many generations. See for example Charles I of England#Ancestry where one source covers the whole tree. Even where that is not the case in the example Henry Percy, 3rd Earl of Northumberland#Ancestry all thirty entries are covered by just 8 citations.

A tree like Template talk:Ancestors of Charles II of Spain not need a citation on every node depicting the relationship with everyone to whom they are connected. As a parent can have many children, it is often simpler just to include a verification of parents in the child node as biographies usually include parents even if they do not include all the children. So in the case of Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500–58) a citation confirming his parents is sufficient (and if that citation includes mention of his spouse -- Isabella of Portugal) then one citation has covered all the information necessary. If no mention of his spouse is to be found (in that citation) then that relationship will be covered in the citation in the node Philip II of Spain. These citations can be added to the articles if they also do not carry citations for these facts.

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[[Nathan Bedford Forrest]]

"Both armies were very indifferently supplied with information, as both were without any reliable regular cavalry capable of piercing the screen of outposts with which each endeavoured to conceal his disposition, and Napoleon, operating in a most unfriendly country, suffered more in this respect than his adversaries." [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica/Napoleonic_Campaigns]

"This led the latter to push on without due regard to tactical precautions, and Blücher took advantage of their carelessness when at Haynau (May 26), with some twenty squadrons of Landwehr cavalry, he surprised, rode over and almost destroyed Maison's division. The material loss inflicted on the French was not very great, but its effect in raising the moral of the raw Prussian cavalry and increasing their confidence in their old commander was enormous."

Should or ought to — 2012 Men's rights controversy

As was shown in the great move debate of 2012 over the article now titled "Men's rights movement"

Citation style

  • Wikipedia:Footnote3 and Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2 disputes over citations.
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  • [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Citing_sources&oldid=51565093#How_to_cite_sources 4 May 2006] Just prior to SV
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  • [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ACiting_sources&type=revision&diff=67742098&oldid=67741840 Revision as of 00:59, 5 August 2006] SV:
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  • [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Citing_sources&oldid=97630802 end of 2006] what it looked like at the end of the year

11:05, 5 August 2006

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    • Civil War massacres Holt Castle, Hopton Castle, St Bertoline's Church, Barthomley, ({{Citation |last=Carlton |first=Charles |year=2011 |title=This Seat of Mars: War and the British Isles, 1485-1746 |edition=illustrated |publisher=Yale University Press |isbn=0300139136 |pages=[http://books.google.com/books?id=THxXvC_7SuYC&lpg=PA131&ots=8cvBeSHPPY&dq=Hopton%20Castle%20massacre%20perfidy&pg=PA131#v=onepage&q=Hopton%20Castle%20massacre%20perfidy&f=false 131]–[https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=THxXvC_7SuYC&lpg=PA132&pg=PA132#v=onepage&q&f=false 132]}}
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    • Christopher Vincenzi *[http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QOzzzF2p7uYC&pg=PA126&lpg=PA126&dq=%22United+Kingdom%22++State+of+War+with+Germany&source=web&ots=ZbN6GkbTXB&sig=RYfrV3onm6ssdjoWPjhDeUYxrBo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result#PPA126,M1 Crown Powers, Subjects and Citizens] (Küchenmeister habeas corpus 1946) ex parte Küchenmeister [1947] I K.B. 41 [http://www.jstor.org/pss/2196277 Some Legal Aspects of the Berlin Crisis] [http://books.google.co.uk/books?um=1&lr=&q=%22July+9%22+1951+United+Kingdom+Germany+end+of+the++war&btnG=Search+Books]
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    • A social history of English Rugby Union by Tony Collins [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pnAQHIkijc0C&pg=PA85&dq=Rugby+songs+book&hl=en&ei=APp8TduoE4eZhQeej7j8Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CEwQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Rugby%20songs%20book&f=false 85]
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