User talk:Liz#Letha Weapons

Thank you for your kind words and your patience in helping with my ANI report. I really appreciate all your help. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 19:59, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, ArthurTheGardener,

:Well, I closed the discussion, I thought, but it's been reopened. So, it might last a while longer. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:23, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you for letting me know. If there's anything you need from me, please just ask. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 22:55, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

{{reply to|Liz|MaxnaCarta|DreamRimmer bot II}}

Hi Liz.

This is about Draft:The Trauma Cleaner: One Woman's Extraordinary Life in Death, Decay & Disaster

• That draft was created on 5 April 2024
• The most recent update of the draft was on 2 September 2024
• You deleted the draft under the on 2 March 2025 following the WP:G13 speedy deletion criterion.
• I am considering a WP:REFUND/G13 undeletion request

OK, so far, so good, right?

Nope. Given that I write a lot about Australian literature and Australian law in articlespace, I don't think I could make this request with an open mind, without ":apprehended bias" on my part.

I seek your opinion about this draft. Does it meet WP:NBOOK? Are the issues raised at Sandra Pankhurst relevant here?

My apologies if I am bothering your very busy self with very de minimis things here

Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 10:44, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{tps}} DreamRimmer bot II is a WP:BOT and not a human. I think you mean {{noping|DreamRimmer}}? Polygnotus (talk) 11:53, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|Shirt58}} The book appears to be notable, it won a bunch of awards:

:*the Douglas Stewart Prize for Non-Fiction[https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/trauma-cleaner-one-womans-extraordinary-life-death-decay-disaster-0]

:*Australian Book Industry Awards, General Non-Fiction Book of the Year, winner, 2018.[https://abiawards.com.au/winner/2018-general-non-fiction-book-of-the-year/]

:*Victorian Premier's Literary Award, Prize for Literature, winner, 2018.[https://www.wheelercentre.com/victorian-premier-s-literary-awards/past-awards/2018-victorian-premier-s-literary-awards]

:*Victorian Premier's Literary Award, Non-fiction, winner, 2018.[https://www.wheelercentre.com/victorian-premier-s-literary-awards/past-awards/2018-victorian-premier-s-literary-awards]

:*It was longlisted for Wellcome Book Prize 2019 [https://wellcomecollection.org/works/dqke6swn]

:*Dobbie Literary Award, 2018[https://www.booksandpublishing.com.au/articles/2018/07/25/112077/kibble-and-dobbie-awards-2018-winners-announced/]

:It has also been reviewed by independent reviewers[https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/dec/28/trauma-cleaner-sarah-krasnostein-review] and [https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/blogs/critics-picks-review-trauma-cleaner] so criteria 1 and 2 of WP:NBOOK are met.

:[https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/feb/01/sarah-krasnostein-wins-125000-at-australias-richest-literary-prize Sarah Krasnostein wins $125,000 at Australia’s richest literary prize] - The Guardian.

:I do not know what {{tq|Are the issues raised at Sandra Pankhurst relevant here?}} means, which issues are you referring to? Polygnotus (talk) 12:03, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Hello, Shirt58,

:Sorry for the delay in responding. Now that I'm working with the arbitration committee in addition to my regular tasks, I'm juggling a lot of email and talk page discussions. This looks like a regular, ordinary CSD G13 and we do about 150 of these speedy deletions every day. G13s can be restored upon request by any editor for any reason. Is your concern that you might have a COI? Because we don't restore draft articles based on notability concerns. If you want to work on it, feel free to restore it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:00, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{tps}}

:Neither Liz nor @Polygnotus had any concerns, and this is a simple G13. I've restored for @Shirt58 or anyone else to work on it. At a quick scan, it could probably be moved to mainspace without much work Star Mississippi 01:25, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you! I added the awards to firmly establish notability and I moved it into mainspace. Polygnotus (talk) 01:49, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:::{{reply to|Liz|MaxnaCarta|Significa liberdade|Star Mississippi|Polygnotus|Oronsay}} thank you to everyone who helped with this! If any apology is due for a delay, that apology would appear to be due from *me* for not responding in a timely manner to all who have helped out here. Again, thank you all for your help and guidance with this. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 10:27, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing that. Been dealing with a mouse issue lately that's been giving me scrolling issues. Any chance you can move that draft to Zach Agnos? I intend on re-directing to Colorado Rockies minor league players. Yankees10 03:39, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Yankees10,

:I don't feel comfortable moving that draft to main space after it was declined by an AFC reviewer. If it has been improved, maybe you should resubmit it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:44, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

{{talkback|User talk:Alex 21|ts=22:25, 6 March 2025 (UTC)}}

-- Alex_21 _TALK 22:25, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for letting me know, Alex21. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:42, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

I believe [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Denial_of_the_7_October_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel&curid=75965194&diff=1279134119&oldid=1279119481 this is a 1RR violation], but I'm not entirely sure.

Could you check if it is? Thank you. Raskolnikov.Rev (talk) 02:34, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi! Just flagging that I opened this given Fram's concerns. No action needed on your part, just in case you want to weigh in. Star Mississippi 14:44, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Star Mississippi,

:Oh, yes, I saw his request on this. I guess I didn't act fast enough on this request. Thanks for letting me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:09, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of :Marco Trombetti. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

Hi Liz,

I greatly appreciate the feedback provided regarding reliable sources for this page. I recognize I didn’t know very well how to contribute to wikipedia pages, and it took me a while to learn how to properly add my contributions. I hope you can follow the discussion in the deletion review. SilvioT (talk) 17:27, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, SilvioT,

:Thanks for the notification. My advice is that you try asking for this article to be restored to Draft or User space. You'll probably have more luck with that they a request for it to be returned to main space. Good luck. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:43, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks! I meant that I wanted to place a revised version in the draft space. I'll mention it in the undeletion review. Have a nice evening! SilvioT (talk) 18:43, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:::Hi Liz,

:::I just published the draft here as you suggested: Draft:Marco Trombetti.

:::Any feedback is more than welcome :). Ciao! SilvioT (talk) 10:47, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

@Liz, I have recently been working on categorization of Native American people, an area of the encyclopedia that badly needs improvement. I removed the deletion tag on Comanche Nation people, and began populating this Category. I know you are super busy, but was wondering if you could ping me before deleting the Cats for people of the various tribes of Native Americans people. Many thanks in advance! Netherzone (talk) 18:02, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Netherzone,

:Well, "speedy" deletion for categories is a misnomer, it's not speedy at all. If a category is empty, it is tagged for CSD C1 speedy deletion but then it sits for 7 days before deletion is considered. This is because often categories can be temporarily empty or be "emptied out of process". We need to tag the empty categories to start the 7 day clock but you don't have to worry about them being deleted immediately. I think 7 days should be long enough to straighten out any problems that arise when you are recategorizing articles and categories. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:07, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm going to wikignome fix this with two renominations from scratch.

I might be some time. ☺

Uncle G (talk) 10:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Uncle G,

:Well, I think that article was associated with an AFD, right? I didn't quite get why there was a new AFD for an article that has already been deleted. But I look forward to reading it over. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:05, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

The now closed discussion was going to be an undecidable mess.

I foresaw every closer just scratching xyr head at that one, not least over which articles were even being nominated.

The re-done nomination has a clear list, with all of the articles tagged, and all of the nominated articles sharing a clear commonality.

I'm just about to prod the participants into trying to be specific, but at least they are discussing the articles more than the process this time around.

I'm holding back on the meridians, to see how well this goes with the parallels.

Mixing them together was going to be problematic, too, as a couple of people had already pointed out.

Uncle G (talk) 03:34, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Liz, I know you don't check pings, so I basically wanted to summarise what I said on my talk page- which was to request that, keeping up with what you said on my talk page a month ago, you do not edit in any noticeboards matters relating to me, or msg me, and if possible, refrain from any action regarding anything else related to me unless it's necessary in your capacity as admin. Especially in matters that are related to the ani thread in early feb. DWF91 (talk) 16:40, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, DWF91,

:While I still think your reasoning on that past noticeboard discussion, that I basically wasn't helpful enough and my replies were "too generic", is rather peculiar and strange, I'll try to abide by your wishes unless admin work requires me to contact or acknowledge you. This isn't an IBan between us so, for example, if Alex contacts me for help, I can advise them that they go elsewhere for assistance. After 11 years on this project, this is a first for me.

:Good bye and good luck with your editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:01, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you! DWF91 (talk) 17:07, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello Liz,

My name is Rana, I am student in MacEwan University specifically working on the project The Arts in Urban Regeneration (Winter 2025). The assigned page Rust Magic - Edmonton Mural Festival was made live yesterday by my group mate and then subsequently deleted. I would like your input on why it got deleted. As I have identified we are students, we are new to this process and hoping to learn from fellow wikipedia page creators. Please let me know your thoughts and thank you for your time. Ranarocksrose (talk) 16:52, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Ranarocksrose,

:Please provide a link to the deleted page so it's clear what the title is and what namespace it's in and I'll look into it for you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:03, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

::You don't have any deleted contributions so I'm not sure what this page was. If you have forgotten the title of a page you have worked on and you've misplaced it, check your contributions at Special:Contributions/Ranarocksrose and maybe you can find it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:41, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:::{{tpw}} {{ping|Ranarocksrose}} I see Draft:Rust Magic - Edmonton Mural Festival which was moved from user space.... -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:12, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

::::Yes, this is correct the correct link. This draft was made live as mentioned but then moved back to a draft by Liz.

::::I have provided the draft history below. Let me know if this helps provide reference for this topic. I am trying to learn what specific area I could focus on to improve so that the page maybe live one day. Please let me know your thoughts. @Liz

::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Rust_Magic_-_Edmonton_Mural_Festival&oldid=1279668286 21:30, 9 March 2025] Liz talk contribs m  359 bytes 0  Liz moved page User talk:Rust Magic - Edmonton Mural Festival to Draft talk:Rust Magic - Edmonton Mural Festival: Moving to Draft space, not a User

::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Rust_Magic_-_Edmonton_Mural_Festival&oldid=1279656320 20:12, 9 March 2025] Anna Fehr talk contribs m  359 bytes 0  Anna Fehr moved page User talk:Anna Fehr/Rust Magic to User talk:Rust Magic - Edmonton Mural Festival: Move to mainspace Ranarocksrose (talk) 20:54, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::Ranarocksrose, I think this page is exactly where it should be. I think the only deleted pages were cross-namespace redirects, not articles. It's not a suitable User page, which would be listed under your username, and it's not ready for main space. It belongs in Draft space for you to work on and improve.

::::::If you have questions about editing on Wikipedia or its policies, please bring them to the Teahouse.

Hi {{ping|Liz}} I wonder if you can help me? Do I still have an interaction ban with editor Mztourist. I think it was about 10 years ago it was put on. I tried to find out where it was recorded but couldn't. I would like to comment here on this RFC here: Talk:Algerian War but don't know if its still active. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 18:45, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, scope creep,

:I hope you are doing well. According to Wikipedia:Editing restrictions, you still do have a one-way IBan, see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=955714551 here], this is the page it links to. You need to appeal it at WP:AN but since it is almost 5 years old, I think you'll have good odds of it being lifted if there haven't been any problems recently. But it will take a few days to a week before a discussion would be opened and closed. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:53, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks {{ping|Liz}}. scope_creep^Talk 23:55, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

:::I think the time I get through with it, the RFC will be long done so I'll leave it. scope_creep^Talk 08:13, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Babysharkboss2,

:Thank you very much for the acknowledgement. I'm in the U.S. Pacific Northwest so it is lunchtime here right now. I hope you are having a good week. Thanks again and good luck with your work. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:13, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello Liz, sorry for bothering you. Unfortunately, all the WP:ROPE given to User:PayamAvarwand has proved futile, which unfortunately was expected, as they had earlier once again refused to read this sites policies [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ahvaz#Recent_edits], just after the second ANI thread last month [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1179#PayamAvarwand]. They are once again altering sourced information [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bakhtiari_people&diff=prev&oldid=1280316444], (eg altered the info sourced to the Brill-published Karimi & Maghsoodi 2013, even removing the citation itself). HistoryofIran (talk) 22:28, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Dear Liz, I thought he has probably a bit directional thoughts. But now, I am unfortunately a little bit more sure, that he has his own preconceptions! He is trying since monthes to ignore my identity! I know I am Persian, and he's trying since monthes to make me believe I'm not!--PayamAvarwand (talk) 00:51, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, HistoryofIran and PayamAvarwand,

:On Wikipedia, it doesn't matter what the ethnicitity, nationality, gender or religion an editor is. But you do have to edit with a neutral point of view according to Wikipedia policies, no matter who you are or where you come from.

:I dislike blocking editors because I'm much rather have editors productively contributing to this project. But you have to find a way to get along with editors you have differences with. Do not edit war or hold on to past grievances, let go of having to "be right". Please do not make a block inevitable. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:04, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Dear Liz,

I hope you’re doing well. I wanted to disclose that I have created this new account (Nida Con 47) after my previous account was blocked due to a misunderstanding. My previous originally account was User:Knowrz7747. My intention is to contribute constructively to Wikipedia while following all guidelines and policies. If there are any concerns or procedures I should follow regarding this, please let me know. I appreciate your guidance and look forward to contributing positively to the community. Nida Con 47 (talk) 09:16, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{tpw}} {{yo|Nida Con 47}} butting in to say User:Knowrz7747 is not/was not blocked. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:23, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

::@Deepfriedokra Sorry for that. I forgot the password for my original account User:Knowrz7747. My other account was User:Sackiii, that is blocked now for being Sockpuppet as i was unaware to disclose the second account creation. Now I created this account and disclosed it. Nida Con 47 (talk) 10:30, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

::@Deepfriedokra Is there any other method to disclose? Nida Con 47 (talk) 10:37, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:::{{yo|Nida Con 47}}Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry#Alternative account notification discusses a number of ways -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:45, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

::::@Deepfriedokra Can you please do it yourself on my user page or talk page on my original account User:Knowrz7747 and User:Nida Con 47. Nida Con 47 (talk) 10:56, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::-- Deepfriedokra, looks like this account was blocked, too. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:40, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::Not surprised. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:12, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

• {{revisions|Jostin Francis}}

Hi, I'm Darsana Vinod, I would like to request the restoration of the article Jostin Francis, which was deleted under AFD . I believe the subject meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines, and I am prepared to improve the article by adding reliable sources and ensuring compliance with Wikipedia’s content policies. Please consider restoring the page to draft space so that necessary revisions can be made.This Article I created long time ago. In first Afd I have given supported reliable sources and it was passed that time.some article was removed from web.I can Improve the article with more reliable source.Thank you Darsana.vinod (talk) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

::Hello, Darsana.vinod,

::You could consider making an appeal at Wikipedia:Deletion review. I'll look this article over and check out the AFD. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:38, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:::Dear Liz, I will do that. Thank you Darsana.vinod (talk) 05:22, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

:Liz, what do you think? This was listed at WP:RfU as well. You seem to be not checking your user talk page. Jay 💬 13:25, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::Jay, I'm not great at speedy responses to talk page inquiries but I also happened to be at the Coast for a few days and not on Wikipedia much. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:38, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:Now at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2025 March 20. —Cryptic 09:32, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you, Cryptic. You are so faithful about posting notifications about new cases at DRV. I think more editors forget to post them after filing an appeal there than any other noticeboard. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:41, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

@ User:Hey man im josh

@ User:GiantSnowman

Hello administrators:

Within the past couple years User:Jimmymci234 and I have collaborated to create seasonal calendars for the Southern African Tour, a golfing organization. We have created all the calendars between the inaugural 1971–72 season and the 1999–2000 season. We agreed on much but disagreed on the content of the introductory section. I thought a full paragraph was necessary while Jimmy thought it should be limited to one sentence. We were [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimmymci234&oldid=1187356718#Southern_Africa_Tour_calendars:_final_issues unable] to resolve this matter and I would like administrators to help us form a consensus.

Regards,

Chief disambiguator (talk) 21:10, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:Golf isn't my thing, but a full introductory wouldn't be harmful and it's not like that's a well known enough tournament that a preamble would be unnecessary. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:42, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

:: Hey man im josh, thank you very much for your response. I feel like I would need an opinion from at least one more administrator to acheive consensus though. If the administrators listed above or other admins like User:Eagles247 or User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao could respond that would be great!

:: Chief disambiguator (talk) 19:03, 23 March 2025 (UTC)Chief disambiguator

:::@Chief disambiguator: Admins have no more weight in discussions than you do in a content dispute, we're simply folks trusted with some tools who can be wrong as well (I am way more often than I'm comfortable with). You do not need the opinion of another administrator on this matter. If anything, I would recommend a discussion at WP:GOLF. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

{{You've got mail|dashlesssig=Broadfields (talk) 17:13, 17 March 2025 (UTC)}}

Hi @Liz,

I hope you're well. I'd like to request the restoration of the Abask article. It was deleted due to the sources being questioned, however these are all organic press coverage - no advertorials. All feedback is welcome to keep the page live, as this is a legitimate page. I am also happy to reassess the sources to ensure they are in keeping with Wikipedia policy.

Many thanks, @Chloe Chloeemmahill (talk) 11:12, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Chloeemmahill,

:{{done}} The article which was PROD'd has been restored. Please be aware that it can still be tagged for an AFD deletion discussion. Good luck! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:29, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

extreme vandalism-only and is threatening violence User:Bluethricecreamman (Talk·Contribs) 05:50, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, User:Bluethricecreamman,

:I'm sorry but I was in bed (or nearly there) when you posted this message. But the IP has been blocked. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:17, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::thanks! User:Bluethricecreamman (Talk·Contribs) 20:43, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

• Sometimes, all you need is a WP:Talk page stalker as a handy backup for when active admins need things like sleep. VanIsaac, GHTV ^contr_about 21:58, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::I agree, Van. My TPS's help me out all of the time! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:39, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz (or talk page watcher)! Could this be seen as stalking? I really don't like that we're guessing exact addresses this user will be at. — E_F⁵ 16:00, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, EF5,

:I'm not sure that I know the full story here but apparently, this IP editor has frequently socked? I'm concerned that editors might be preoccupied with trying to anticipate a future sockpuppet appearance instead of doing constructive work on this project. It seems like a waste of editors' time and an unhealthy focus to be worried about a blocked editor. It could violate "outing" guidelines as well. And it's just plain creepy. It's giving them too much power over how an editor spends their time here and, who knows, the IP editor might have moved on and not care about Wikipedia any longer.

:I recommend no editor in good standing chronicle anyone's movements off-Wikipedia on talk pages here or it could lead to negative consequences for the "stalker". That's my admin advice and recommendation as a fellow editor and human being. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:12, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks for responding! They are an LTA and still disruptively edit, I'm just afraid people are looking too deep down the hole and potentially stalking them. :) E_F⁵ 20:17, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:::I agree, EF5. It's just not a healthy activity for an active editor to be spending time on. Ones time spent on Wikipedia should be on the work, not obsessing about other people, whether they are friend or foe. This isn't social media but an encyclopedia. I've seen good editors get absorbed by sockhunts or feuds with other editors (blocked or those in good standing) and it's just an enormous distraction and, honestly, it doesn't help the project either. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:34, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --18:47, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz,

Seeking your guidance on how to both restore and update this deleted page.

Best,

AS

ForosAS2009 (talk) 16:02, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz, I was wondering if I might be able to ask for your help in creating an article for the digital health tech company Zyter TruCare. I have a draft posted in my userspace for your convenience. My COI, as declared on my userpage, prevents me from creating this page myself. I look forward to your help and potential collaboration. Thank you! Lauren at L Strategies (talk) 17:05, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello {{u|Lauren at L Strategies}}. Liz is probably busier than most editors. I have taken a look at your draft. Unfortunately, the references in the draft and any other sources that I could find online do not support a conclusion that the topic of Zyter TruCare is eligible for a standalone article. This is because of Wikipedia's stringent limitations on new articles on companies, as per the guideline on the notability of companies, which aims to protect Wikipedia from gaming of the rules by marketing and public relations professionals, and ultimately to protect Wikipedia from being used by companies to promote themselves (including simply to "tell the world they exist", and similar, more innocuous-seeming goals). Specifically, the sources are not WP:SUBSTANTIAL. Routine industry news, market intelligence reports that do not discuss the subject in depth, announcements of non-notable awards, and similar are not sources of sufficiently high quality for Wikipedia. Sincerely —Alalch E. 17:36, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello! @Liz Is it possible to upload a photo on English Wikipedia? Thanks. Happy editing! (V12U253 (talk) 13:34, 22 March 2025 (UTC))

:{{tps}} Yes, it is _saluere, Ɔþʱʏɾɪʊs^⚔ 18:48, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

::Is it possible to upload a photo on English Wikipedia? Thanks. Happy editing! (V12U253 (talk) 10:07, 24 March 2025 (UTC))

:::See WP:UPI _saluere, Ɔþʱʏɾɪʊs^⚔ 15:10, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

::::Thanks. (V12U253 (talk) 19:33, 24 March 2025 (UTC))

Can you please reopen Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Albert101032? I had asked User talk:Albert101032#March 2025 to respond at that section. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 19:52, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, CambridgeBayWeather,

:Of course. Sorry for the premature closing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:57, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

::No problem. Thanks for that. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 19:59, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

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A tag has been placed on :Category:1510 establishments in the Colony of Santiago indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Beland (talk) 03:23, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

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The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pansy,_Kansas&redirect=no Pansy, Kansas] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at {{section link|1=Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 March 24#Pansy, Kansas}} until a consensus is reached. Thryduulf (talk) 19:24, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for letting me know, Thryduulf. I haven't made many redirects so I'll have to look at the RFD and see why this one was created. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:34, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

::It was created because you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pansy, Kansas as "redirect". Thryduulf (talk) 02:26, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

I wish for you to undo my possible AFD, I meant to do the season articles not the main... Valorrr (talk) 05:12, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Valorrr,

:Please provide a link to the page you are concerned about as I have no idea what your request is about. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:27, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

::Mexico's Next smth, check my contributions if possible! Valorrr (talk) 05:53, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

:::I don't know what this means, I just asked for a link. I don't have time to look through your contributions. I'm kind of busy as it is. Back to work. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:59, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

::::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico's_Next_Top_Model?wprov=sfti1 Just need banner removed Valorrr (talk) 06:11, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::It looks like another editor straightened out this problem. For the future, when I asked for a link to the article, I just meant Mexico's Next Top Model, not the URL. It's just the page title surrounded by double brackets. For example, a link to this page would be User talk:Liz. Simple, no? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:33, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::Sorry, I forgot about that, I was on mobile and late for me. Valorrr (talk) 22:57, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Valorrr, well, in that case, I don't know how you would have cut and pasted a link. I find that impossible on a mobile device. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:26, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Safari -> Share -> down -> copy link -> click on the little text icon -> paste Valorrr (talk) 03:27, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi I know you are a check user have able to check my IP address can you go to my page and sockpuppeting page make check false clam by AFC Vixen, due to them try to slient my voice on the denver outlaws page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emoore2914 (talk • contribs) 03:33, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Emoore2914,

:First, always sign your comments on talk pages, in discussions or on noticeboards using four tildes (~~~~). You always should identify yourself when leaving a message with a date and time stamp.

:Secondly, while I was given access to Checkuser tools when I became an Arbitrator, I have never used them and do not know how to use them. I'm waiting for a future training which looks like it might happen in April. So, even if I was inclined to address your request, I do not know how to do so. But also, checkusers are not supposed to use their tools on request to show that an editor is innocent, just when there are good suspicions that sockpuppetry is occurring. So, if you find another Checkuser who is actually handy with the tools, I think they will decline your request.

:But I will check out the SPI report if I can find it and see what's going on. Sorry I can't assist you further. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Would I'm confused about how I warrant?Emoore2914 (talk) 03:43, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:44, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

::I'm confused how I got a warning for sockpuppeting Emoore2914 (talk) 03:45, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:::@Emoore2914 it was @MarioGom who warned you, not Liz. She just invited you to the Teahouse. Star Mississippi 18:06, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

::::For what it's worth, I already explained this on their user page. MarioGom (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz. After noticing this happen [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_internet_chess_platforms&curid=35616815&diff=1282690845&oldid=1282673822 again] on the same page I pseudo-reverted earlier: Please, I beg thee, look at the list before delinking. :) Back when I did more list maintenance, admins indiscriminately delinking after deletion regularly made my life harder. So many lists are lists of notable examples, such that when an article is deleted as not being notable, it should be removed. The "what links here" and other tools make red links easy to find in such lists and remove, but when someone comes by and unlinks it, not only does it not improve the article, it makes those items harder to find. FWIW. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 01:20, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Rhododendrites,

:Sorry you had to do that reversion twice, that's an unusual coincidence. I'll try to be more careful in the future. Checking unlinking with PRODs is fairly straight-forward but with AFDs it happens automatically with deletion and that process is a little more complicated. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:28, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

::No worries and thanks. I don't think I realized (or don't remember) that it's automatic with AfDs. That seems short-sighted. Ah well. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 01:40, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz, I hope you're doing well!

I created a category called Biomedical Research yesterday; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Biomedical_Research

The idea here is to link it to lab techniques, fields, and concepts that can be applied within different relevant research fields, and make info more connected and accessible. I created the page (new here! wasn't sure it would even work) but got busy with work and haven't started the linking just yet.

I saw it's been tagged for auto-deletion... Is this because it's empty, or for a different reason? Will work on starting to fill it as soon as I can. I've gone through articles and categories that are adjacent in nature, and haven't yet found anything that specifically addresses the need I've described above, so I don't believe it'd be redundant once created.

Thank you for taking the time to moderate and help! Shmigley (talk) 03:08, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I'm new to wiki and I understand the strictness and accuracy this community requires, I had created sandbox for my own fun and wanted to change the title but not released to the public and should only be visible to friends I send links to. However due to me wanting to change the title of the sandbox (because obviously the page isn't about sandbox) I accidentally used the wrong function and moved my sandbox page under another user which doesn't exist.

I am hereby begging you to undelete my page as that took me 5 hours of work to write

Thank you for your understanding and I promise to follow the rules strictly from now on Midnight Hurricane (talk) 03:54, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

:Or sorry, allow me to rephrase as I did some research, I would like to make a recreation of my own sandbox under its original title and under my user page if thats possible, thanks! Midnight Hurricane (talk) 04:17, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

::Hello, Midnight Hurricane,

::You don't have to beg. Just don't move your User pages to nonexistent editor pages or they will be deleted. I've restored them and moved them back to your User space. You can look in the page history and revert them to the edit that you wish. I leave that up to you.

::If you want to change your username, then ask for help at the Teahouse and they will tell you what to do. But the only time you should move your User pages is if you are moving it to Draft space. Do not create user pages for editors who do not exist. Happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:38, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

In Wikipedia articles (basically, what words should be included in links? Thanks. (V12U253 (talk) 10:03, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz,

Thank you for your note on the page I'm trying to create for The Velma Awards. The note I received was, "Problems with editor moving draft to a nonexistent User space" ... Can you advise at all on what the next steps here are? How do I create a proper User page for this potential new Articlle? Writer1977 (talk) 21:12, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

I have restored this article. A quick Google Books search shows evidence of notability. The fact that there were 17 incoming links (which I also had to restore) was a good clue that this was a bad PROD. ~Kvng (talk) 17:18, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Kvng,

:We delete articles tagged for proposed deletion that have more links than 17. That's great you looked into this one but admins reviewing PRODs aren't responsible for doing BEFOREs, the nominator is (see WP:PRODNOM). Admins just check to see if the article or file is eligible for proposed deletion and sometimes look for a way to Redirect the page. You can see a reviewing admin's responsibilities at Wikipedia:Proposed deletion#Procedure for administrators. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:54, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

::As I'm sure your aware, not all editors that propose or nominate articles for deletion do WP:BEFORE. How are we accounting for this in PROD processes? I assume WP:PRODPATROL coverage is still spotty. ~Kvng (talk) 18:04, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

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A tag has been placed on :Category:1610s in Tonga indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:35, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Knitsey,

:These little tokens of appreciation can really lift an editor's spirits on what had been an unrewarding day on the project. Thank you for spending the time to post this. It's appreciated. ;-) Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:49, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

I redirected this to Kel Ajjer, as an alternative to deletion(ATD). Bearian (talk) 01:31, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Bearian,

:Thanks for the ATD solution! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:47, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

::Welcome! Bearian (talk) 01:48, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Hey Liz. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Source_misrepresentation_at_Talk:Vasojevi%C4%87i ANI/I thread about source misrepresentation on Vasojevići] has not received any further input from other interested editors. Aeengath, who was editing on a daily basis until being reported, maybe does not want to respond to the report. Rosguill stated they would be fine with an AE-logged warning too. As no more editors have posted there, and the thread will be archived by the bot tomorrow, you might want to close it with a decision. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:26, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Ktrimi991,

:I'll look into this tomorrow. I was hoping someone more experienced with AE sanctions would evaluate this. Thanks for the reminder though. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:31, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

::No worries; if you feel uncomfortable making a final decision, the report can be let to be archived as is. Indeed, it would have been better if several admins weighted in, but reporting this kind of Balkan disruption is much better at AE than ANI/I. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:43, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

I feel like you just made me good cop. :) Thanks for cleaning that up. Kind regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 23:30, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Liz: I have lately been very off from here but just realised this article has had an AfD active and has been deleted. Would you mind restoring it to my userspace? I can't say if I'd be able to save this but a look at the deleted version will be beneficial and I'd want to have a check on the resources to which I have access. Thank you. _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 08:54, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, User:Aafi,

:I am having problems with my laptop right now which means I'm editing with my phone which makes some things more difficult. When I get back to my regular setup, I'll look into it. There were problems with copyright violations with an earlier version of this article which complicates things a bit. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:42, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, CF-501 Falcon,

:Thank you very much, it's always nice to receive a note of appreciation, especially on some days when it seems like the work you are doing is very repetitive. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:13, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

::You are very welcome! See you around. CF-501 Falcon (talk · contribs) 11:07, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello

Do you know how I can get the text for the Lamplighter Theatre article you deleted?

I run the Radio Theatre Wiki under the username Christian Minassian and was going to use the text of this article to get the release dates for the audio dramas as the website does not provide them.

Thanks.

198.163.159.103 (talk) 15:39, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hi IP, an archived version from back in January is available on Archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20250118090639/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamplighter_Theatre. S0091 (talk) 15:50, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you.

198.163.159.103 (talk) 19:17, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, 198.163.159.103,

:It looks like S0091 helped you out (thank you, S0091!). I just wanted to add that if you had a registered account and enabled email access, I could have emailed you a copy of the deleted article. But that's not possible with IP accounts. But I hope the information you found on the archived webpage gave you the content you were seeking. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:10, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz!

I appreciate your concerns and your action about the article above.

I believe the article was slowly maturifying, especially with the name change (I believe I may have unintentionally editoralized the name a little bit), so can you draftify it so I can work on it more and eventually submit it again?

Thanks in advance Mavreju (talk) 08:07, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Mavreju,

:I said I would do this and so I will, either tonight or tomorrow. I'll post here again when it's done. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:07, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks! Mavreju (talk) 04:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

::Hi @Liz, were you able to look into this? Mavreju (talk) 04:26, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

I've asked a question of an admin who (like you) performed a purely administrative task in this case years ago. I'd appreciate your opinion there of what needs to be done at this point. BusterD (talk) 12:13, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

:I think PMC allayed my concerns. No need to weigh in if you'd rather not. BusterD (talk) 13:44, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

::I offered an opinion, for what it's worth. I don't know how you even uncovered this blank User page from several years ago. I can barely remember pages I worked on last week! While I don't agree with your concerns, I applaud you looking back and trying to reassess actions from the past to see if they were handled properly. I think this attitude would be useful when considering some blocks of new editors who might not have been vandals but just inexperienced and quick to anger. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:47, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Hey, hope you're well. Is there a reason you deleted this instead of reverting the edit that retargeted it to a non-existing page? Thanks, charlotte ^👸♥ 02:32, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Queen of Hearts,

:I'm not sure what about this speedy deletion from December brought it to your attention months later. We typically don't do a lot of investigation into broken redirects. They are caught by a bot and listed on User:AnomieBOT III/Broken redirects. When the page was deleted, it was targeted to National Assembly Building (Seoul) which was a nonexistent page so it was deleted. If you think that a redirect now would be useful, I encourage you to recreate it. It looks like I might have made a mistake here but I've made 793,960 edits on this project and if you comb through my contributions, you will probably find other mistakes, too. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:56, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello! Hope all is well. I requested a {{Db-move}} for the dab page Petar Jokić since I saw only one target on it and you moved it accordingly. But now I found another target with said name (Petar Jokić (revolutionary)). Is there a way you can restore the dab page? Thanks! Zinderboff (talk) 03:57, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Zinderboff,

:Oh, my. I'm going to have to look into how to undo this. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:07, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello.

I had a doubt regarding creating a particular article. Would be really helpful if you could just resolve my confusion.

The thing is that today I tried to create a draft for a new article titled "Avijit Sen". But it happens that some other user had created a draft with the same title earlier. But due to no editing for six months, the draft has been deleted.

So, is it okay for me if I create a new draft now and then submit it later? I hope its no way violating any policy regarding creating new drafts after a draft by some other user has been deleted due to no edit for six months?

Thanks

BhikhariInformer (talk) 10:17, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

I was looking at User talk:Conversion script, as one does, and noticed this nomination.

I read the Afd and I was going to redirect the page to Glossary_of_poker_terms#C but I thought I'd check the term was included. The headword is there, but it refers the reader to the now deleted article.

Can the content be added to the glossary, please, and the page undeleted (for copyright reasons) and redirected to the section, or a new anchor.

It's probably a good idea to check "what links here" before deleting a page.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough 10:35, 4 April 2025 (UTC).

:Hello, Rich,

:In this case, I was just closing an AFD discussion where this term was the subject being discussed. All closers do is close discussions and we rely on our tool, XFDcloser, to handle the article, talk page and redirect deletions, to remove red links and other details involved an article deleted through an AFD. Perhaps the AFD nominator should have checked the "What links here" page link but it's not the responsibility of the closer to follow up and check every mention of an article title on the project. At least, I don't know of any discussion closers who do this. If any of my talk page stalkers know of an admin who goes to these lengths after an AFD closure, please mention them here.

:As for your requests, I'll consider them today and tomorrow. Alternatively, if you think the closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Closed (poker) was incorrect or you want it overturned, you can file an appeal at Wikipedia:Deletion review. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:58, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi there. In Commons, I created a [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Buildings_and_structures_on_the_Iran_National_Heritage_List Category for Buildings and structures on the Iran National Heritage List], to simply add those cultural heritage monuments that are on the Iran National Heritage List. An editor, [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Orijentolog Orijentolog], without discussion, deleted the Commons category and commented on [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rangasyd#Iran-related_categories my talk page] "...please don't open or change Iran-related categories any more...." which I though was really vague. I tried to enter into discussion with the user to understand their motivations; and I restored the category, as it had been deleted without consensus. An edit war erupted. I added; the user deleted, etc. And the user then commented, "Stop making duplicate categories, or I'll report you." Again, I asked the user to explain; again, no answer. What do you suggest that I do in order to resolve the matter, with consensus, or does it require an Admin to assist? Many thanks. Rangasyd (talk) 05:49, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz,

I noticed that for some reason the kinetic term page was deleted, with the reason given that "there is not such thing" as a kinetic term, and its really only a case of kinetic energy. This is false. A kinetic term is a well known type of term in quantum field theory, and not having a page on it is not good. The fact that the page didn't have citations is, well, a problem of the page, not the topic. I can't seem to be able to find the discussion on why the page was deleted, so I don't know what other arguments were provided.

OpenScience709 (talk) 09:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, OpenScience709,

:I saw the message from Johnjbarton requesting an article that was PROD'd to be restored so I have done so. For Proposed deletions (PRODs), an editor can just tag an article with their rationale for its deletion, there is no discussion. Any editor who objects to it can remove the PROD tag or raise the issue on the article talk page and the article is not deleted. As for the deletion rationale for this article, you can look at the last edit by Johnjbarton in the page history to see what his reasons were. As an admin who reviews PROD'd articles, we are supposed to carry out the deletion as long a rationale is provided that isn't nonsense and there are no objections to the proposed deletion which is what occurred in this case. But if objections are voiced later, which is what also happened here, we restore the article.

:Part of the deletion rationale was because the article was unreferenced so I hope you can spend some time improving the article and finding appropriate citations that show it is a term that is used in quantum field theory. Good luck! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:46, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

::Hi Liz,

::Amazing, thanks so much! I unfortunately didn't see the PROD until the article was deleted, hence why was asking for clarification as I was suprised to see that specific article deleted.

::OpenScience709 (talk) 20:15, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi there, you deleted this article after a PROD but I wasn't around to notice it. If you look at my Miss Teen USA 1983, Miss Teen USA 1984 and Miss Teen USA 1985 edits you'll see that there are actually plenty of articles to show notability. I was hoping you'd be able to restore it so I could improve it and add references? (fwiw, I'm actually the creator/editor of Pageantupdate.info and yes it definitely shouldn't count as a source!) To make this easier, just a few of the references I have for 1986 – there are more, this is just a few to show that my request is legit: https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-courier-gazette-miss-teen-usa-1986-t/169687136/ https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-orlando-sentinel/169687204/ https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-orlando-sentinel/169687220/ https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-orlando-sentinel/169687249/ CJinoz (talk) 11:02, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, CJinoz,

:{{done}} I'm not a far of articles on Wikipedia about beauty pageants but in the case of PRODs, it doesn't matter what my opinion is because they are restored upon request unless there are other problems with the article (like copyright violations or it was created by a sockpuppet). Also, please know that you can also make these requests for restoring PRODs or G7s or G13s by going to WP:REFUND in case the admin doesn't tend to their User talk page often enough (guilty!). Good luck with the article! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:39, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz. It seems our efforts to clean up were a bit to efficient :-(.

On March 30 I set PROD on Kinetic term, today April 4 you deleted, and also on that day @OpenScience709 presented a solid case for notability. This term, which sounded like a shorthand for "kinetic energy term" to me and another editor, has a specific meaning within the field of "quantum field theory" and would likely be notable on that grounds. (Of course we got into this because the article was well below the bar for making its case but I assume that OpenScience709 will fix this issue if we undo the delete.)

Would you be willing to restore or should we go for Requests for undeletion?

Thanks! Johnjbarton (talk) 17:36, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Johnjbarton,

:{{done}} Sometimes REFUND is quicker but in this case, I restored the article. Good luck to you and OpenScience709 if you are going to work on improving this article. First step, finding some relevant citations that show it's a term that is in use! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:35, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

::I will improve the article beyond its current state over the next few days (although not to my usual standards as I was instead focusing on other stuff, mainly on researching and rewriting the supermultiplet article :P).

::And thanks @Johnjbarton! Sorry if I came off a bit forthright and I appreciate the cleanup you and Liz are doing!

::Best, OpenScience709 (talk) 20:19, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

I just undeleted it and was about to make a minor edit to disable G13. Jay 💬 05:25, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Jay,

:My apologies about that. Bad timing. The Dreamrimmer Bot II report comes out at 0:23 after the hour and sometimes it ends up listing drafts that have just been restored at REFUND. Sorry that I didn't look closer at this one. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:32, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

::{{ping|DreamRimmer}} The bot did it again! Tagged a restored draft within 5 minutes. Any update on the fix you said you will put it? Jay 💬 05:34, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

:::I don't remember saying I'd ask for a fix but now that you bring it up, I'll mention it to Dreamrimmer. They are up for challenges so it's a suggestion that might actually be implemented. I think I'll ask that drafts that have been restored within the previous 10 minutes should be ommitted from the hourly listing. Is that enough time between restoration and doing a minor edit to the draft? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

::::Here it is - /Archive 59#Draft:Bikkina Venkataratnam re-deletion. On 25 Feb, he said he'll do it in a few days. Jay 💬 05:46, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::@Jay: Sorry, I just have not had the time to get to this. I will try to add it in the next few days when I have a bit of free time. – DreamRimmer (talk) 02:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::@Jay: {{done}} The bot now ignores drafts that were restored in the past two hours. – DreamRimmer (talk) 17:29, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Hey Liz. I'm very confused by [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3APages_using_the_Chart_extension&diff=1284141051&oldid=1284135818]. I put a notice on the category page explaining why it should not be deleted. Are you saying that it should be deleted anyway? Why? Nosferattus (talk) 16:03, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

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Hi, I am contacting about the deletion of the article on Daniel Kokotajlo. The article was deleted due to WP:BLP1E. But there has been more news coverage since, notably with [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/03/technology/ai-futures-project-ai-2027.html this New York Times article]. He was also listed in [https://time.com/7012881/daniel-kokotajlo/ this Time article] as one of the 100 most influential people in AI. I believe he is sufficiently notable now. If possible, I would like for the article to be restored as a draft (or to the mainspace, or somehow sent to me) so that I don't have to write it back from scratch. Alenoach (talk) 18:58, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

:Someone actually recreated an article in the meantime, but it would still be nice if you could send me (as a draft, sandbox or by email) the original version when it was deleted, if possible, so that I could integrate its content. Otherwise I will just continue from the recreated article, it's not that big a deal. Alenoach (talk) 12:36, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello,

this article Salim Man Bania was redirected after consensus in Afd very recently. But editor has moved it back without adding anything significant for notability. I thought it qualifies gor CSD. Plz suggest what should be done in this kind of situation for my understanding. Rahmatula786 (talk) 01:35, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz. Could you take a look at :Draft:Daniel Torok? The page seems to have been blanked by its creator after they copied-and-pasted its content into :Daniel Torok. Does the blanking qualify the page for speedy deletion per G7? -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:53, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:Same user did the same thing for :Draft:Maksymilian Krybus and :Maksymilian Krybus. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:55, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz, it’s been a while so I thought you may have forgotten.

A small reminder,

Thanks Mavreju (talk) 15:20, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Mavreju,

:{{done}} No, I didn't forget, I just get busy with other tasks and sometimes it takes awhile to get to requests on my User talk page. But I saw your request at WP:REFUND and restored the article and moved it to Draft space so you can find it at Draft:Balkan Spring. When you think you have addressed the issues that came up in the AFD and caused the article's deletion, please submit it to WP:AFC for review. Sorry for the delay. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:37, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks! I appreciate it! Mavreju (talk) 06:24, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

I see you reverted my cat-empty on :Category:4th century in Guatemala. Why would we want to keep this redirect to a completely different tree? Guatemala and Central America are completely different. Happy to hear your thoughts. –Aidan721 (talk) 21:33, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Aidan721,

:I just didn't see that there was a good reason to delete a valid category redirect along with its page history. But I don't feel strongly enough about this issue to get into a dispute about it so I'll revert myself. Sound good? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:39, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

I thought the article didn't get deleted after the discussion. Was it recreated? G4 is recreation of a page after deletion. I have tagged Sean Cody with what you asked. DotesConks (talk) 05:59, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

::Hi Liz, hope all is well. The page I created under title Charlie Gray Was deleted by you. Can you please help me retrieve it? Here's the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Charlie_Gray_(photographer)?action=edit&veswitched=1 DialaSharief (talk) 18:27, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

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Hi Liz, thank you for your message. The category is not empty any more. I 've improved the article that belongs to that category. Regards, --Silverije 20:07, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

I created these because I saw the categories on Special:WantedPages, and I noticed a lot of redirect pages were using them. If you click “What links here” on the categories, you’ll see a ton of redirect pages linking to them. But for some reason, they’re not showing up on the category pages, making the category look empty.

I’m sorry if the categories just don’t work. An admin can delete them if that’s the case. ApexParagon (talk) 12:40, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

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FYI your closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Don Bradman with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948 is being challenged here - not sure if this ought to be at DRV or AFD or...? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:00, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Nikkimaria,

:If the closure of an AFD is being challenged, it's appropriate to file an appeal at Wikipedia:Deletion review. But thank you for the notification. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:02, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Liz, I need your help on something. The author of FBG Duck, Moment of True, just reminded me that the article was nominated for deletion in a second nomination 6 days ago, but I renominated it (third time) and its affiliated pages recently. I think I could be in trouble if so. Review please and thank you? If I ever face blockage or banishment from editing for this, then I'm going to face another debacle here on Wikipedia. DBrown SPS (talk) 11:53, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{Tpw}} If you have changed your mind about the nomination, you can withdraw it as the nominator. There are no delete!votes as of the writing of this note. -- Whpq (talk) 17:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

::{{Ping|Whpq}} I will never change my mind unless it its properly and legitimately sourced. However, I credit you for the knowledge. DBrown SPS (talk) 08:34, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Liz, I just draftified the newly created article Swami Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati because, though the subject is likely to be notable, the BLP was promotional and didn't reflect even the cited sources (eg, the subject's [https://indianexpress.com/article/india/sc-stops-coronation-of-swami-avimukteshwaranand-saraswati-as-shankaracharya-8210568/ disputed status] as the head of the Jyotir Math, and several other controversies that are sub judice). Only after I had done so, did I realize that previous versions of this article had been thrice draftified and a parallel duplicate draft existed at Draft:Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati, with an equally messy draft and mainspace history.{{pb}}

I see that you have previously been involved with some of the draftifications and are surely more familiar with the nuts and bolts of the draftification/deletion process than I. So any input on what should be done with the duplicate drafts and if the mainspace titles should be salted in the meantime? Pinging {{ping|CNMall41|ToadetteEdit}} who have reviewed the draft without the honorific "Swami" in its title. Abecedare (talk) 05:20, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

:Btw there are also deleted drafts for the subjects bio at:

:* Draft:Swami Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati (2) and

:* Draft:Swami Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati (3)

: with their own deleted history. Abecedare (talk) 05:26, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Abecedare,

:This IS complicated. Draft:Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati is the pre-existing draft that is waiting to be reviewed again by AFC but the draft creator is now blocked for COI issues and suspected AI use. Meanwhile Draft:Swami Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati was just created today but who knows, it might be the better version. I see two possibilities, you could merge the two drafts together or turn one into a redirect to the other draft. But I'd ask User:Takarsinh what they think since they are the editor who is currently working on an article on this subject while the other editor is blocked. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:31, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

::I posted this before seeing your addition to your message. I wanted to add that there is another CSD G13 version of Draft:Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati that was deleted back in 2024. So, we have lots of versions circulating around. Is there a version you think is a better written draft? Or just has fewer problems? I deal with a lot of drafts but I actually don't do AFC reviewing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:34, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Liz, Draft:Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati is a super-set of Draft:Swami Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati although it is certainly not ready for mainspace yet. In addition to the COI and suspected AI issues, the first sentence of both drafts declare the subject the "current Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math" in wiki-voice, which is unaccaptable since that status has been challenged and the Supreme Court of India [https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/sc-stops-coronation-of-swami-avimukteshwaranand-saraswati-as-shankaracharya-of-jyotish-peeth/article66014458.ece put a hold on the subject's ascension] to that post in October 2022. At the risk of ABFing, I suspect that the on-wiki shenanigans may well be part of a PR campaign to solidify the subject's claim.

:::So here is what I propose to do:

:::# Delete Draft:Swami Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati and ask {{noping|Takarsinh}} to work on developing Draft:Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati, if they wish.

:::# Salt the mainspace titles Swami Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati and Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati, to prevent casual recreations or pre-mature moves from draft space.

:::How does that sound? I'll wait for at least 12 hours before implementing any of this in case anyone has any objections or a better plan. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 05:59, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

::::Hello, Abecedare,

::::Sounds good. I'm also more alert in the morning and it's about 1 am here right now. Maybe in 12 hours, other editors will have weighed in with their thoughts. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:44, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

::::That sounds like a good idea to me. I've just informed the page creator to work on the preexisting draft, which I modified heavily to remove contentious information not supported by reliable sources, among other cleanups. Honestly, salting the titles means that a non-admin reviewer will have to get assistance from an admin to help accept the draft, but that will not be an issue. ToadetteEdit (talk) 08:22, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::The socking and UPE of these pages is deplorable. They are not going away as I see on the history there are now more editors involved (also likely socks and/or meat). My opinion on UPE is simple, burn and salt. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:44, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::: Thanks for the input, everyone. Plan implemented and a note added to the draft talkpage. Abecedare (talk) 18:36, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

{{You've got mail|dashlesssig=Peloneous (talk) 17:30, 15 April 2025 (UTC)}}

i don’t know what to do other administrators are saying I’m spoofing harassment i am done I don’t know how to defend my self….

Special:PermanentLink/1285826020#This diff gives me no confidence the user understands consequences Here •Cyberwolf•. talk? 02:05, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, cyberwolf,

:Well, I can see how this ends. But what started this incident? On ANI? Or another noticeboard? What problem were you dealing with?

:It's hard to give advice without knowing the whole story but when editors are upset with other editors or the platform, it's best to log off and take a break from Wikipedia. It's really easy to lash out, get yourself blocked, and then that can be a hassle resolving. Better to come back after a full night of sleep. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:22, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::first it was harassment and now idk •Cyberwolf•. talk? 02:25, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::It did start on talk page and i acted out then i went to an chaos ensues i get told I’m doing dome thing wrong •Cyberwolf•. talk? 02:27, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::I'm not going to ping you because you seem to have logged off for the day/night and I don't want to summon you back. I think a break will really help calm and clear your mind. I'll go looking now to see where this all started. I've been off noticeboards for a few days. Take care. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:07, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz - regarding your edit summary [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1286020136 here], that header bit was deliberate on my part, since the "Proposed arbitration motions..." section was directly related to (in fact, sprang from) the section I moved above it. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, The Bushranger,

:Sorry, I couldn't understand what was going on there and so I tried to work backward. Since there was some content removal, I just assumed the header was messed up in the process since the discussion above it was from a earlier date. Sorry if I mixed up your system. It was not obvious to me what was going on. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:39, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

::No worries! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi, Highway 4 shooting has an open AfD but was deleted in advance, was this intentional? Stockhausenfan (talk) 08:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Stockhausenfan,

:Thanks for pointing this out. I have tabs open for the day's Proposed deletions and less than an hour from the time that this article's PROD expired, it was de-PROD'd and tagged for AFD. If it had been de-PROD'd yesterday or hours earlier, then I would have caught it but less than an hour? This very rarely happens and the article deleted as a PROD despite being untagged in its most recent version. I have restored the article and if you look at the page history, you can see what happened. This was my mistake and I appreciate you catching it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:36, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz, thanks for your close at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reginaldo Ndong, and all your efforts on these, but I wonder if you would consider amending this one. Only exactly half of the participants !voted to keep the article, and a close of keep effectively shuts down a further discussion on redirection. There are clear issues with the sourcing that were unaddressed, and what looks like a source list at first glance in the first !vote is not. It was just a list of papers they thought we should search. In the light of this, wouldn't "no consensus" have been more appropriate? such a close would prevent the argument that no redirect discussion is due owing to the finding at AfD. Or else a relist to tease out consensus more clearly, since it was only a week old? Thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:17, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

• I'm not going to complain if this is changed to no consensus (though, the !vote count was 4k-2d, not "exactly half" keep); I don't really like a relist, given that we've already got plenty of other Olympian AFDs to deal with (20 at the moment, and more added by the day). BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:35, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
• :Apologies, I missed one, but so did you. The nom's vote needs to be counted. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
• ::Hi {{U|Liz}}, did you miss this? Thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:04, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

::::I'll consider this or you can take it to Wikipedia:Deletion review. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:28, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::Hi Liz, I dislike going to DRV. I won't be doing that. Certainly not to just argue that it should be "no consensus". But thanks for considering, regardless of what you decide. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:31, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

The reason for being unable to edit my draft on Sarah Corkery was there were not enough reliable references which would be right for the Wikipedia. I'm sorry these drafts were deleted although for next to four months I was looking on Google for reliable references. Those though were too few and far between. Angela Kate Maureen Pears 21:53, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Tropical Storm Angela,

:Was this draft deleted because of inactivity, as a CSD G13? If so, they I can restore it if this is what you are asking for. As for references, many, many articles can't be accepted because there are insufficient references, it's a very common problem. Sometimes, it's just a matter of timing, references are later found or articles or books are published and then adequate references make an article on Wikipedia becomes a more liklier proposition. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:59, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

::The sources shown on Google on Sarah Corkery were really questionable or not suitable enough according to Wikipedia standards; I couldn't use them, therefore. But Sarah Corkery could be always brought back when more reliable information comes up.

::BTW, Happy Easter, Liz. Angela Kate Maureen Pears 22:05, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi. If you actually look at the article you just deleted at Stage School Australia, I was right in the middle of expanding this article and adding sources. There is plenty of independent secondary coverage in reliable sources. None of the participants in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stage School Australia discussed where they had searched, and the last participant actually indicated that the complexity of the organisation's naming history was probably adding to the difficulty in locating them. Please re-list the discussion so that I can !vote and add to the discussion...and also if you could restore the article, I can finish editing. Thanks. {{yo|RebeccaGreen}} You were right about looking for former names of Stage School Australia. I found lots of coverage via ProQuest. Another tip is that Google actually will show you a lot more coverage if you use more than one search parameter at a time. So don't only search for "Stage School Australia"; search with two parameters like "Stage School Australia" and "Young Australian Broadway Chorus" or "Australian Boys Dance Academy" at the same time, and you will find a surprising number of hits. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:35, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Cielquiparle,

:I don't like to revert my AFD closures because that can bring a flood of future requests to do so which can render the concept of a "closure" meaningless. But I respect your content creation so I'll think about it tonight. At most, I would relist the discussion which means that another closer could decide to reclose the discussion on their own. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:38, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

::Yes, I am just asking for a relist. Is there any way you would consider a relist ASAP? The reason is, I was just in the middle of editing (look at the time stamps on the history and the number of edits I had made) and have all the content and tabs open with relevant coverage). (I can also ask for a refund and/or try to recreate the article fresh but I may lose interest and never come back to this topic again, as I have other projects to work on and real life commitments. Literally I was in the middle of editing and my edit was rejected. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:53, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Hello, Cielquiparle,

:::{{done}} Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:57, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

::::Thanks for that and for all you do. I normally wouldn't make a request like this so was ready to stand down. I guess I had better finish fixing that article now. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:00, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::Hello, Cielquiparle,

:::::Well, on my part, I apologize if I closed the AFD right during an edit of yours. That is unfortunate timing. But you usually don't wait until the clock ticks midnight! Your work has preserved several articles headed towards a deletion so I have faith in you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:10, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::For next time I know to pay closer to attention to the expiry date of the deletion discussion and to add a placeholder comment like I just did, letting people know I'm still editing and adding sources. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:20, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello Liz,

I’m disclosing that I am a conflict of interest (CoI) editor affiliated with Park Systems, and have made the disclosure on my user page.

I understand that the previous Park Systems draft was deleted, and I’d like to respectfully ask for your input. This new version was focused solely on factual content, supported by independent, reliable sources, and written in a neutral tone. I’m trying to follow Wikipedia’s policies carefully.

If you have any suggestions or concerns about how I could improve it to meet Wikipedia standards, I would sincerely appreciate your guidance. Thank you for your time and for your work maintaining the project. Infotrack10 (talk) 05:57, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Park_Systems

Hi Liz, I hope you're doing well!

I noticed that on April 3rd, you moved the page “Discussão:Nay Porttela” to draft and later deleted it. I’m interested in recreating a page for the artist Nay Porttela and wanted to reach out to better understand the reason for its deletion and to ask if you might have any guidance on how to restructure the content to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines.

Since then, the artist has gained more visibility. She currently has over 121,000 monthly listeners on Spotify and has had songs included in compilations released by Putumayo World Music, a well-known international label that highlights culturally significant artists.

I believe this growth, along with some reliable sources I’m gathering, could support a well-referenced and neutrally written article.

If possible, I’d appreciate any thoughts or recommendations you may have before I move forward with the draft.

Thanks so much for your time and for all the work you do on Wikipedia!

Best regards, 2804:7F3:3800:B051:2CA8:A8EF:D314:1415 (talk) 21:00, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz, I hope you're doing well!

I noticed that on April 3rd, you moved the page “Discussão:Nay Porttela” to draft and later deleted it. I’m interested in recreating a page for the artist Nay Porttela and wanted to reach out to better understand the reason for its deletion and to ask if you might have any guidance on how to restructure the content to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines.

Since then, the artist has gained more visibility. She currently has over 121,000 monthly listeners on Spotify and has had songs included in compilations released by Putumayo World Music, a well-known international label that highlights culturally significant artists.

I believe this growth, along with some reliable sources I’m gathering, could support a well-referenced and neutrally written article.

If possible, I’d appreciate any thoughts or recommendations you may have before I move forward with the draft.

Thanks so much for your time and for all the work you do on Wikipedia!

Best regards, Lucianorodriguesbsb (talk) 21:04, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz, I hope you are in good health and well-being. I visited your talk page to conclude this AFD, as the article has already been moved to draft status and subsequently deleted by you. I believe this AFD should be terminated. Kindly investigate the matter. Bakhtar40 (talk) 08:53, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Bakhtar40,

:We discourage editors from moving articles during the course of an AFD discussion but I'm not going to revert the move. Thank you for notifying me, I've closed the discussion. If the article gets restored back to main space and you feel it's not in good shape, we can restart a new AFD. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:45, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi there, I was just going through {{IP user|171.236.215.75}}'s edits, and noticed that they just copied and pasted an existing article word for word at Freight Australia XR class to two new pages at different names, which you then draftified (Draft:XR class and Draft:Pacific National XR Class).

In essence, an article on the topic already exists and the drafts are carbon copies of the original article. Just as an FYI, not sure if there's any action to be done here? Thanks, Fork99 (talk) 10:25, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

I think that page List of Ring of Honor special events should be revived now that it has more work done to it via draft. 75.189.238.0 (talk) 20:39, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, 75.189.238.0,

:I just deleted a redirect. You can find the article at Draft:List of Ring of Honor special events where you are free to work on it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:42, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

::It now has work done on it. But I don't know if the work is good enough for the article to be revived as a non-draft but as an article. 75.189.238.0 (talk) 20:59, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Is it possible for you to draft previous material of redacted page? DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 21:22, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, DarkHorseMayhem,

:I don't know, I need more details. Please provide me with a link to the deleted article. If the content has been redacted, I can't restore that content. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:26, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

There are some files that have been overlooked for deletion. Some of them ranging from days already. They are all non-free files, and have been tagged with "human=yes".

Following files are: :File:Screenshot of macOS Sequoia.png, :File:MacOS Mission Control screenshot.png, :File:Roku OS Homescreen.png, and :File:Spotify for Android screenshot.png (original deletion date was at April 9th, but I recently updated the screenshot; it's up to you to remove it or not immediately).

Thanks! Paowee (talk) 10:24, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz--you deleted Hammel, Green, and Abrahamson earlier this year and I was hoping to get some guidance on steps to restoring it/validating it as a WP:NCORP so that it can be restored. I want to suggest edits using the COI / Paid Editing suggestion protocol on the talk page that work to eliminate first-party publicity sources.

Thanks,

{{Username|Ethan Olkovikas of HGA's Digital Team}}

:Liz, it appears this was an expired WP:PROD [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Hammel%2C_Green_and_Abrahamson log]. S0091 (talk) 19:40, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Liz, I'd like to kindly ask you to take a closer look at the pages you're delinking after closing deletion discussions to avoid leaving inappropriate unlinked text, especially in navigation templates. I know this is a lot of work and sort of a grey area, but navboxes should basically never be left with unlinked items. A few recent examples: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Hardy_County,_West_Virginia&diff=prev&oldid=1286973152][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cabell_County,_West_Virginia&diff=prev&oldid=1286972933][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Hampshire_County,_West_Virginia&diff=prev&oldid=1286972624][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Jesuit_Schools_of_India&diff=prev&oldid=1286822478][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Gabrielite_Brothers%27_Schools&diff=prev&oldid=1286813989][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:GB_A_road_zone_1&diff=prev&oldid=1286599652][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Adam_Ant&diff=prev&oldid=1286498324][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Gran_Hermano_(Spain)&diff=prev&oldid=1286483582][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cheltenham,_Gloucestershire&diff=prev&oldid=1286483136]. I've pointed this out in the past regarding geography lists, and several other editors have reached out to you regarding the difficulty in tracking down these non-links, so I would really appreciate you taking the time to make sure you're doing it right. –dlthewave ☎ 01:49, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, dlthewave,

:I delete hundreds of pages every day. It's my primary admin activity. I do not check every page that links to an article or draft that I delete. Some articles might have 40+ links to other articles, just for one article. Multiply that by 100 or 200. You're talking about dozens and dozens of extra hours to spend on this project that I don't have. No admin who spends much time on page deletion checks every page that links to an article that is deleted. Bots like JJMC89 bot III that delete hundreds of pages don't check every incoming link when they delete a page.

:If you want to get policy changed so that this is required with CSD or PROD and AFD work, I'll accept that but I will stop deleting pages as a result. I already probably spend at least 10 hours/day on Wikipedia and I don't have 24 hours/day to check all of these links.

:So, there are two options, I can unlink the red links from the deleted articles (which is what I currently do) or I can leave the red links. When I first became an administrator back in 2015, I was told to remove red links after deleting an article so that's what I do. If you want me to leave the red links, I can do that instead. Other editors have brought this up and I can change my deletion practices so as to not remove red links. If this is just a concern for Template pages, then I can treat those pages differently.

:If you decide to take this issue further, I just have one request: This is an admin work issue, not a Liz issue. I'm visible to you because I do a lot of deletion work on a daily basis but I don't think you'll find any administrator who deletes at least 20 or 30 articles a day who acts differently than I do. I encourage you to speak to other high activity admins like OwenX, Hey man im josh, Explicit or HouseBlaster and see how they handle this problem. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:15, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

::I'm familiar with these other admins' work, and it seems like they either appropriately remove items from lists/templates or are open to doing so when the issue is pointed out to them. But I'd love to hear their perspectives! {{u|OwenX}}, {{u|Hey man im josh}}, {{u|Explicit}}, {{u|HouseBlaster}} –dlthewave ☎ 15:17, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Thanks for the ping, {{u|Dlthewave}}. I've recently started paying more attention to removing backlinks when closing, especially for lists and nav templates. But I handle a tiny fraction of what Liz does, so the comparison is irrelevant. The XFDcloser tool already displays "List" in its "Review unlinked item" screen. I think it would be helpful if unlinked items in a template, specifically, were highlighted with a different colour, or with an extra confirmation screen if kept, to alert the closing admin. Pinging {{u|Novem Linguae}} to see if this is something easy to add to this great tool. Owen× ☎ 16:46, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:::It's an option as part of AfD closes, and I use it when it's done there, but I don't remove backlinks for CSDs typically. Red links are still useful for encouraging article creation, and just because something has been deleted at AfD doesn't mean it can't be created in a way that addresses the problems that caused the deletion. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:57, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:::I mostly work at CFD, where resolving any backlinks is part of the standard deletion process. Any edits to the fully-protected WP:CFDW which say {{tqq|remove some after checking}} mean that the admin manually ensured all the remaining backlinks are nothing to worry about. Usually this means removing the entire linked text, but sometimes we do leave the unlinked behind. Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:59, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz, you might be interested in that, as it is about a user you blocked. Nobody (talk) 05:22, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

hi Liz, i'm not a regular wikipedia editor but i am familiar with the workings of a mediawiki instance. i noticed while flipping thru my open tabs that the Princess_Mononoke page had been... replaced with what appeared to be a sticky background image of some turkish guy.

google lens-ing it showed that it was [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:20180108_Atat%C3%BCrk_2781_(39121046984).jpg this commons file] and it was in fact now included in countless articles. i found one of the ones that was small and bisected the offending content in my user talk page until i determined it was coming from Template:Project_Muse.

apparently just a few minutes before i noticed all this, User:Eastern_Anatolia made the vandalizing edit. i don't know how to report vandalism, but i saw that you had written on the user's talk page, and your userpage indicates you have adjusted user permissions, which presumably means you have the ability to do so. i suspect this user deserves a ban.

thanks for reading!

update: apparently people fought over it and someone else got to the ban in the time i was writing this. also apologies for not knowing about the "add topic" button.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:25, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi Liz, I think [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Operation_Underground_Railroad&diff=prev&oldid=1287124535 this edit] should be reverted, deleted, hidden, struck, or… something. Also, the broader thread concerns COI contributions. I think the COI editor who started the RM is following the rules by disclosing their status on their Talk page, but I think it would have been better to also state up front in the RM. You are the only admin I could think of and I know others watch your page. I'm hoping someone can take a look and take action or advise on the best course. Thanks! --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 15:56, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

I have had a Wikipedia page for somewhere around 16 years which highlights my work, mainly as a filmmaker. I am uncertain as to why it has been deleted and would like a review and for it to be undeleted. If there is an issue with it, I would like the opportunity to edit anything necessary to be restored. My page was Wayne Keeley WJKeeley (talk) 19:45, 24 April 2025 (UTC)