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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2004 in Turkish television

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Three relists and there is nothing even approaching a consensus below. This close is with no prejudice to an immediate renomination should an editor wish to do so, although this may be better hashed out on the talk page as it seems to cover an issue bigger than just this article (although this debate was narrowly focused on just the one). (non-admin closure) Daniel (talk) 19:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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tagged uncited for many years and does not seem to be notable Chidgk1 (talk) 13:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and Turkey. Chidgk1 (talk) 13:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History and Lists. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
  • I deproDed the page. I have seen other years taken to AfD. But why? This is a pretty standard way to approach history of television by country. Mexico has them, Korea has them, and so on. Turkey is a major country with a long history of television. What's the issue? Non-notable, how? I would !vote Keep but that would imply restoring all the other years. But I don't understand. It's very easy to source every event with books and/or news. And for general coverage, just open Yanardağoğlu, Eylem,  Television in Turkey: Local Production, Transnational Expansion and Political Aspirations, Springer International Publishing, 2020; "The Transformation of the Media System in Turkey: Citizenship, Communication, and Convergence", Springer International Publishing, 2021; The Regulation of Turkish Network Industries. (2022), Springer International Publishing. A source for each and every programme broadcast is easily found. I am seriously confused.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
  • :If you want to keep it vote keep. I don’t think that would implying restoring other years as some years in television are more notable than others. Chidgk1 (talk) 05:57, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
  • ::OK: Keep and restore all years. This year in Turkish television is notable and so are apparently all years I checked, given the existence of sources for individual events and about trends/years in the Turkish history of television. Also for navigation reasons.and procedural reasons; targeting one year after another to delete the whole range of articles (that precisely make sense as a whole) brick by brick is not a good idea when the general topic is notable.
  • ::{{tq|some years in television are more notable than others}}. Maybe (I don't think so) but then, it seems you want to have ALL years of Turkish television deleted and I am very much against that idea. Is it your idea?
  • ::Another solution would be to change the approach by creating lists by decades and redirecting/merging the individual years (in)to the decades (2000s in Turkish television and so on) but I won't do it myself (as I favour individual years)-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:52, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
  • :::No I have not proposed deleting all years and that is not my idea. Chidgk1 (talk) 11:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
  • ::::Very well, I had the wrong impression, my apologies. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:59, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Note: there are only 4 years left in the category. The ones that have been deleted lately were, if I am not mistaken, in the 2000s and 2010s The other years haven't been created yet.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:15, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: This is about the 2004 article. To restore articles previously deleted at AfD, please see WP:DRV.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 15:21, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

::Sure, consider my !vote a simple/single Keep then (but restoring other years should also be done); this is part of a set and is justified in terms of navigation, that's what I mean. Notwithstanding the individual notability of this page, deleting random years one by one without considering this type of page in general or the whole is not a good approach. Also may I remind the nominator that {{User:Mushy Yank/NLIST}}. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

  • Delete. Overspecific page name/scope; notable events can be added to 2004 in Turkey. Geschichte (talk) 08:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
  • :Hello, I am sorry but, again, I am very confused, how is this overspecific? This is pretty standard: have a look at :Category:2004 in television by country please. Again, if you think Turkey has a less substantial history of television than, say, Brazil or Japan (I don't think so), considering a different organisation and redirect years to (not-yet-existing) pages about decades might make sense, but just deleting that year for that country (although it can be easily sourced) seems extremely confusing to me. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
  • ::Hello, the dire state of the article (and yes, I'm going by the current state of the article, and I'll explain why shortly) shows that it was a bad idea to start a page about 2004 in Turkish television. The "years in country" absolutely need to start with the basic year in the country, in this case 2004 in Turkey, and then branch out when size dictates so. Moreover, it would make sense to branch out to "2004 in Turkish media" before further sub-division into television, radio, cinema, press etc. As for other similar pages existing, I checked a dozen of the entries in the nabvbox, and most of them are embarrassingly bad. Geschichte (talk) 19:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 23:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

  • Note: This article has significantly changed since its AfD nomination. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:21, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 14:28, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

  • Keep The article has changed a lot since it was nominated for deletion. Nxcrypto Message 03:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Note: My comment pertained to the "changed" article. Being changed is not a reason for it meeting guidelines. Geschichte (talk) 20:35, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
  • :Certainly, not automatically. But the new sources and content might be seen as sufficient to address the concern raised in the nomination. Sorry to hear you don’t find them sufficient. Best, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:02, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
  • ::Also, I had added further content to the page after your last reply (i.e. after I put the template AfD changed here) but I guess you checked that too. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC) (PS- Why put quotation marks to changed, if I may ask? You don’t think it changed at all?)

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