Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Algunos Sentimientos

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Unambiguously fails to meet WP:GNG or WP:NALBUM. Coverage is both insignificant and unreliable. You can try to look for a single good source about this album – that is a source that even marginally advances notability; if you inexplicably succeed, I'll prominently display "[Your username] is my favorite editor" in a banner on my user page for a week. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 12:40, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 12:54, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Uruguay-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 12:55, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 12:55, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

• Delete: fails WP:NALBUM. I was actually waiting until the AfD for the artist had closed, as it seems likely that it will be deleted, and then that would have made this EP more likely to fail AfD as well. Nevertheless, I agree with the nominator – apart from the reviews from online record stores, which do not qualify as reliable sources (however hard the article creator will argue for them), there are no sources for this record. Richard3120 (talk) 20:08, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

:::: The album was compared to the works of Larry Heard, Matthew Herbert and Ricardo Villalobos by the most reliable sources on contemporary underground electronic music Amoeba Music and Juno Records. Before releasing the album 'Algunos Sentimientos' Zûg released 2 EPs on the Italian record label Propersound Records as limited editions that are being sold for up to 6 times the price after being sold-out after a week of being released (See price history in here) [https://www.discogs.com/Z%C3%BBg-EP-1/release/11502958]. There is not a lot of coverage because is underground music. But if you look in Amoeba Music website you will see that they only review a record in a 100. And they don't usually compare albums with the best works of a genre ever written. The music from Zûg is considered cult music, timeless music by the underground electronic music community [http://www.saywhatmag.com/zug-cult-music/]. Lagasta (talk) 20:12, 10 June 2019 (UTC) {{Article creator|type=AfD|Lagasta}}

:::::You've again made this same red herring argument about how good some people think the album is. That's very obviously not the problem, as I address on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zûg. I should note as well that the link you've left above attesting to Zûg's cult status leads to a personal website with no pretense of reliability that gives a passing mention to this album. Wikipedia is first and foremost an encyclopedia, not a platform for hyper-niche artists to get a fair shake. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 20:11, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

:::: You are referring as "some people" to the people with more knowledge on the planet on the music subject. If you know of some more relevant sources for electronic music than Amoeba Music and Juno Records please let us know, but I know there isn't, they are the only ones to have all the music that comes out. Also, it is more than normal that when someone is interviewed they put a link to their website. And when a piece of art or a book or a piece of music is compared by the most expert voices in the world with the most important works of art or music on a specific genre ever existed, it only means that the piece of art or music deserves a place on an encyclopedia. Lagasta (talk) 10:15, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

:::::"If you know of some more relevant sources for electronic music than Amoeba Music and Juno Records please let us know"... Mixmag, DJ Mag, Dancing Astronaut, YourEDM, Billboard, NME, Electronic Musician, The Wire, Electronic Sound... Richard3120 (talk) 11:50, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

:::: That is all for electronic dance music, main-stream media, is commercial music, they hardly mention any underground electronic music ever. It is not relevant. The real authorities on the matter are the record stores, they are the third party, since you first have the artist, then the record label, then the distributor and then the record store. Lagasta (talk) 15:04, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

:::::I was simply answering your question. And The Wire and Electronic Sound most certainly do not cover mainstream electronic music – I'd think that in the techno genre, the likes Richie Hawtin or Sven Väth are about as mainstream as they've ever gone. Richard3120 (talk) 13:16, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

:::: Thanks, I am glad you are researching. Now the point is, magazines are open for labels and agencies to send music for reviews and they certainly have deals with them. Record labels pay them for advertisement and so on. That is not the case with record stores. The record stores sell and recommend what they want with no external influence. So basically anyone with the money to be in all main-stream media could be accepted in Wikipedia. And not the real artists like Zûg that makes music for love and anyone can tell that. He does his music, design the cover, do the mastering and all to achieve a record that reaches people hearts and minds, art. And not only want to make money like all the main-stream media products that could easily be in Wikipedia for having the power, the contacts or the money to be on all the magazines you mention. Lagasta (talk) 17:25, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

::::: Magazines are like movies, movies of real life, they have all these characters to play with and tell the stories they want with them and what matters is how many cars they have or how much money or how cool they look. While the record stores like Amoeba Music only talk about the music, music for them is serious and is again the only thing that matters. What matters in the magazines is the pictures, cause is a print, there is no music on magazines. The music is in the record shops like Amoeba Music and they listen to music all day. Lagasta (talk) 13:53, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

:::: I will write the article talking about the electronic music culture in Berlin, I hope to find enough Reliable Sources to show that Berlin is the center in the world for underground electronic music. Is something it needs to be in Wikipedia for the world to know what's going on here in the capital of techno, and not written by some magazine but written by people that live and breath in the scene. Is like talking about the hip-hop in the Bronx back in the day. Is what's happening here, and is important for the history of electronic music. And of course, I will include Zûg and many other Producers DJs, record labels and independent distributors that are releasing all this cult music that is the electronic music of our times, 2019, 2002, and I am not talking about David Geta or all that commercial circus. I am talking about electronic music made by today's most talented electronic musicians creating music for cultured people. So if you want to delete Zûg's article now you can do it. But sooner or later the page will be here. So I want to propose to keep this article in Wikipedia until I finish writing the article on the electronic music scene in Berlin, capital of techno. Lagasta (talk) 23:56, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

::::: {{u|Lagasta}}: While I believe that other editors and I have made it reasonably clear why neither Zûg nor his works meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, this doesn't mean that you can't share your passion for their music on other sites that have more lax standards for notability. For example, although I can't claim to speak for them, I believe [https://electronicmusic.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page the Electronic Music Wiki] would appreciate the articles you've created here, as their goal is "to create a freely available and freely editable knowledgebase of electronic music and its many sub-genres", including artist biographies. I've saved the entirety of the article for Algunos Sentimientos in case you decide to create an entry there, as I believe you should. Best regards, TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 03:56, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

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The article for the artist behind this record has now been deleted at AfD. Richard3120 (talk) 11:12, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

• Delete (or Speedy Delete) per WP:A9. The above discussion has become moot because the musician was deemed non-notable at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zûg and his article was deleted. Therefore, per WP:A9 the album is non-notable by extension. I will add that the text of A9 says it could be overcome if there is a claim that the album is important, but in this article such claims are from the record companies that are trying to promote it. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 01:08, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
• Delete Per Doomsdayer520 and WP:A9. This album is not notable. Newshunter12 (talk) 05:57, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

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