Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baynesville, Virginia

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Prodded by Oona Wikiwalker and deprodded with the statement: {{tq|"Obviously it meets WP:NGEO; don't prod pages out of ignorance"}}.

Contrary to the deprodder, this article very obviously does not meet WP:GEOLAND as it stands. The only source cited is GNIS, which does not satisfy the requirement for legal recognition and is unreliable. As even the article concedes, this place is "unincorporated", which is to say it is not legally recognised, and as such does not pass GEOLAND#1 and needs to pass WP:GNG.

There is no evidence in my WP:BEFORE that is does. Searches on Google and Newspapers.com show only passing mentions. FOARP (talk) 12:45, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Virginia. FOARP (talk) 12:45, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
• Comment from this [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Regional_Review/CaXNAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=baynesville+virginia&pg=RA4-PA25&printsec=frontcover book] we have "...was a guest this month of Westmoreland State Park, Baynesville, Virginia." [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Westmoreland_County/keCy95rY6p4C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=baynesville+virginia&pg=PA32&printsec=frontcover Another book] says "...Baynesville... are but a few of the place names that today are serviced by Kinsale, Montross, or Colonial Beach post offices; in many cases, only a small marker denotes where these smaller communities once existed." It's not in data.census.gov but is mentioned in old post office books and there's a [https://www.ebay.com/itm/144055376242 1910 postcard]. Seems it could have been a smaller settlement that got swallowed by Montross. Not voting, but hopefully this helps our normal GEOLAND voters. --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 14:57, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
• :Neither of these is evidence of legal recognition as required by GEOLAND. Similarly, neither is SIGCv required by GNG.

::could support a redirect to Montross if it is part of that. FOARP (talk) 21:15, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

• Speedy keep, SK#3. Obviously a real, legally recognised place, as can be seen from Schützenpanzer's search results. Nomination rationale doesn't understand what is meant by "legal recognition", among other things. It merely means an unincorporated area, a place that doesn't have its own municipal government. GNIS is reliable for saying "something called X is in place Y"; its problem is that it sometimes lists a community that's actually something else, like a hill or a big farmstead. But it doesn't just invent things, and a quick consultation of this location's USGS quads demonstrates that GNIS is correct here, since it's marked (by a legal entity, the USGS) as a community. Nyttend (talk) 20:48, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
• :GNIS is explicitly excluded from WP:GEOLAND. “Unincorporated” literally means without legal recognition via incorporation. FOARP (talk) 21:14, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. I was able to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baynesville%2C_Virginia&diff=1291921113&oldid=1291628646 expand] the article using sources from Virginia's Chronicle, NewspaperArchive, the Library of Congress, and the US Postal Service. The history of this village dates to the 1600s, and by the early 1800s, some of the more prominent local residents and structures have appeared in historic sources. This village is less than a mile from George Washington's birthplace, historic mentions date into the 1700s, and there are plenty of significant sources regarding the "Baynesville boys", early postmasters, and early residents. Firsfron of Ronchester 06:15, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per Wikipedia:HEY. Reworked article satisfies N:GEO Djflem (talk) 09:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
• Keep - I will admit, as the creator, that the article as created left quite a bit to be desired, and was based on GNIS; I didn't know better at the time, but have since learned not to trust it. That being said, I think this article has been expanded sufficiently well to be kept. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 20:06, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
• Keep drastic difference between what was PRODded, which should not have been PRODded in the first place, and the current article, which is clearly notable. SportingFlyer T·C 07:26, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

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