Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dance of the Dwarfs

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Leonard Maltin’s Movie Guide is considered “coverage insufficient to fully establish notability” per WP:NFSOURCES. Found nothing in a WP:BEFORE search and no reviews on [https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dance_of_the_dwarfs_1983 Rotten Tomatoes]. The Film Creator (talk) 15:14, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. IMDb shows 10 'external reviews' but most are blog/youtube reviews. There is a TV Guide 'review' but there is no linked article and TV Guide gives star reviews with a short blurb to every film that is aired. The Chicago Reader link is dead without an archive so it's impossible to tell if its in-depth. The film does have some notable actors, but this film is not a 'major part' of their careers as required by NFILM to be a basis of the film's notable. Note that this was originally called "Jungle Heat"... but the title was apparently usurped by a 1985 film (no, not Jungle Heat, either). That makes it somewhat difficult to parse but I am confident in my 'delete' vote. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 15:23, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

::Do you mean [https://chicagoreader.com/film/dance-of-the-dwarfs/ this two-line Chicago Reader item]? Clarityfiend (talk) 03:45, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

:::Yes, that appears to be the one. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 14:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

• Keep per book sources. Books are good reliable sources for old films.--Filmomusico (talk) 17:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

:::Note - there are not book sources, just a book source. The reviewer republishes his old reviews - that does not create an additional basis for notability. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 14:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:36, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
• Keep Books cited in total is significant coverage. Found TV Guide [https://www.tvguide.com/movies/dance-of-the-dwarfs/review/2000106073/] coverage and a 1 and a 1/2 star rating at Allmovie [https://www.allmovie.com/movie/dance-of-the-dwarfs-v88492/user-reviews]. DonaldD23 talk to me 18:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: 'm finding quite a few reviews for the book. I think that if all else fails, this could be a good landing page for both the book and film - one page for both. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 18:27, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
• I expanded the article somewhat. Geschichte (talk) 20:32, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
• Comment. The tv movie was plastered all over HBO in 1983. Now, in the newspapers' tv guides the film was shown interchangeably with a 2 star or 2 1/2 star review. I haven't been able to pinpoint where such reviews were originally given. Geschichte (talk) 08:01, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

• Keep reminder that WP:NEXIST is a (very important) guideline when considering AfD — "Notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate presence or citation in an article" Yitz (talk) 03:26, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

{{resize|91%|Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}
Relisting comment: Keep !voters have brought up sources, though delete!voters haven't really seemed to have responded to the new sources brought up. Commenting on the new sources would be helpful in allowing a consensus to be ascertained.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mikehawk10 (talk) 06:48, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect (the film and the book) to Geoffrey Household. The sourcing on the film is weak (Maltin and the TV Guide mini review) and the book itself probably doesn't warrant a standalone article either (only a [https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/a/geoffrey-household-5/dance-of-the-dwarfs/ Kirkus Review (long) paragraph] and the newspaper reviews), but the info is worth saving. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:25, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Keep or merge to Deborah Raffin. The China story is referenced and seems like a relevant part of film history, also hinting on possible WP:NEXIST in Chinese (maybe not, but also, maybe). My opinion is keep until another participant in this discussion can refute this. Geschichte (talk) 09:13, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

:*Someone promoting a movie in China does not make it a notable piece of film history. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 16:09, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

::*Are you sure? Also, I'm not saying to merge it to history of film, but it is undoubtedly relevant in the right context. Geschichte (talk) 14:02, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

:::* It's as historically significant as The Day after the Birth of a Nation: The Sequel. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:40, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

• Keep, as the book and reviews are enough for notability.Jackattack1597 (talk) 14:44, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

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