Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Former bus routes in Bristol

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Wikipedia is not a haven for train spotters. This article is not notable and contains no credible or reliable references - merely photos of buses on Flickr. A list of bus routes barely adds value. A list of former bus routes adds no value whatsoever. Delete it. Simple Bob (talk) 19:09, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

• Delete Put this back with List of bus routes in Bristol. I agree entirely with Simple Bob that a list of locations where the bus once ran, but no longer runs, is of zero encyclopedic value. It has the same historical value as a list of places where there once sat a bench. If it is of any importance, it would be in comparison to the list of where to catch the bus now. Mandsford 19:35, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:30, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
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• Merge it into the List of bus routes in Bristol article, and editors can discern whether or not its encyclopedic for that article (probably). Shadowjams (talk) 20:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NOTDIR.--70.80.234.196 (talk) 01:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• Note to closing admin: The article has been moved to History of bus routes in Bristol. Fences&Windows 00:22, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

• Merge to List of bus routes in Bristol. There is enough room in that page for this chart, which needs a lot of repair work. Dew Kane (talk) 13:59, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 14:11, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

• Keep I have added a credible, reliable reference. Colonel Warden (talk) 22:38, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

:Comment that reference has nothing to do with the subject of this article, did you actually read it? (for note THE REPLACEMENT OF BUSES IN BRISTOL 1920–1952 By D. G. HOLLAND is a economic analysis of the relative cost benefits of replacing older vehicles, expanding a bus fleet and optimal timing) . Nuttah (talk) 11:27, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

::* The article's current title is History of bus routes in Bristol which is essentially a history of bus operations in this city. The source is quite relevant to this and your comment that it has "nothing to do with" it seems absurd. Colonel Warden (talk)

:::You haven't read the so called reference then. It is an economic treatise that makes no mention of bus routes in Bristol, either in a historical context or comtempory to the publication date. Nuttah (talk) 20:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

::::* Our article concerns itself with the general history of bus operations in Bristol. If the title needs refinement to reflect this then that's a move for which deletion is neither necessary nor helpful. Colonel Warden (talk) 20:24, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

:::::The article may concern itself with the general history of bus operations in Bristol, you may change the title if you want. It doesn't change the fact that your 'reference', beyond supporting the fact that buses run in Bristol (undisputed), supports nothing in the article. It is, as I have already pointed out, an economic analysis of the relative cost benefits of replacing older vehicles. Nuttah (talk) 20:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

::::::* You're not telling me anything I ddn't know already. I consider the source to be germane to our topic and so my !vote stands. Colonel Warden (talk) 21:19, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

• Merge. Notability is not temporary. Polarpanda (talk) 14:31, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
• In this context, WP:NTEMP would be a reason to keep the article: "it does not need to have ongoing coverage." This is probably the most misunderstood of all Wikipedia guidelines. Fences&Windows 17:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
• delete. Wikipedia is not a directory. Nuttah (talk) 11:27, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
• Merge it into the List of bus routes in Bristol as a separate section at the end. If we are to have articles in bus routes (and I am unconvinced of the merits of this), we ought to allow articles to have a historic section. I expect that obsolete published timetables would provide a WP:RS for the subject. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:36, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
• Redirect to List of bus routes in Bristol with liberty to merge. I am not convinced that this is an appropriate topic for an encyclopedia article. Stifle (talk) 08:41, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

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