Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/God the Sustainer
:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Conceptions of God. Owen× ☎ 12:47, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
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There appears to be no unified conception of "God the Sustainer". BEFORE revealed a couple non-RSs and no clear evidence that this isn't just a common adjective. The current article is rife with original research. No good evidence this would make a strong disambiguation page, as no adjacent topics exist. The 2006 AfD should've probably been closed as delete. ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:55, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Religion, Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism. Pbritti (talk) 23:55, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I suspect there are enough sources for this, but even if not, the content can be merged to Names of God or some other target, rather than being deleted outright. There's a good bit of primary source usage here, but it's really not that OR-ish, all things considered. Jclemens (talk) 04:32, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge is probably preferable as an ATD. It's very close to WP:TNT. The "Christian" section is not even wrong: the sustainer of the Holy Trinity is the Holy Spirit, and she's not happy with this section. Bearian (talk) 09:42, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge with Conceptions of God: Specifically to this place, since the concept is attested in multiple religions. The standalone treatment appears to be WP:OR. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:47, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge with Conceptions of God: agree with Dclemens1971 above. But to merge, will need to find sources because currently most of the content is without source. Asteramellus (talk) 00:43, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: While I still lean delete here. I just don't see a basis for a merge when there's a lack of sourced content. A more acceptable option to me would be redirecting to Conceptions of God. ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:46, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
- :A few sources that could form the basis for merged content: [https://www.google.com/books/edition/An_Examination_of_the_Problems_of_Inclus/obGZzR44qsYC?hl=en&gbpv=0], [https://livingchurch.org/covenant/why-not-substitute-creator-sustainer-redeemer/], [https://www.mesoweb.com/pari/publications/RT10/GodN-OCR.pdf]. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:58, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
- ::{{re|Dclemens1971}} Thanks for linking those! It looks like things are more than leaning merge, so those will be good to assist in executing the consensus. ~ Pbritti (talk) 13:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge with Conceptions of God enough sources to warrant a merger. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 05:00, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge with Conceptions of God. Stopped reading at "God the sus" because the separateness of this whole concept is sus. Deity is definitely the sustainer in Islam, where it's one of the 99 names of Allah, and in Pandeism, where this is essentially its only function. Hyperbolick (talk) 07:52, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Article has been around since 2005 and has been edited heavily since this AFD started. Nothing is gained by deletion. There is an open RM. Srnec (talk) 00:45, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard has gone ahead and WP:HEYed this article beyond recognition at the time it was nominated. While I appreciate the incredible work that has gone into that, I think that work should be copy-pasted to Divine conservation. (Its WP:NOESSAY qualities also need to be addressed.) The newly unrecognizable article no longer addresses non-Christian aspects of God as sustainer thus "God as sustainer" should not redirect there, which is why the encyclopedic past revisions article under discussion should still be merged to Conceptions of God. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:27, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- :I also would have preferred that an RM not have been suggested while the AfD is open, as I expect that to complicate the finding of consensus. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:36, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- :: Thought copy-pasting was verboten here. Odd as well is the continued proposition that this notion begins with Christianity. Is there an assertion that Jews do not propose a sustaining God? Hyperbolick (talk) 07:44, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- :::perhaps a histmerge of recent revisions is needed instead then, where an editor rewrites a page to make it a different topic and there is a more suitable home for that new content. Dclemens1971 (talk) 10:03, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- :::: Just thinking we ought to be careful about pedestalizing anything. As per my above note, “God the Sustainer" is literally one of the 99 names in Islam. Notion in Hinduism for centuries before the Abraham religions. Hyperbolick (talk) 09:52, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge with Conceptions of God: the extra sources presented by Dclemens1971 results in enough sources for a merger. - tucoxn\talk 09:10, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
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