Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry Sidebottom

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) LlamaAl (talk) 00:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

=[[Harry Sidebottom]]=

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Apparently non-notable author of a series of historical novels, no indication of substantial critical coverage in independent sources, no further biographical interest beyond the books. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:39, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

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Weak ~~neutral~~keep on WP:Author. Some people would consider a GS h-index of 5 good for a historian. I'm not sure. Maybe too early. Xxanthippe (talk) 01:23, 23 February 2013 (UTC).
Keep, but redirect his books and series to his article. I did some searching and there's just enough out there to warrant one entry for both the author and his works. Much of it is about his Warrior series, but I've found some sources for the author in general and his non-fiction books. I think that for now an article on him and a short section on the series as a whole is probably the best option here. I've merged some of the data, so at this point it's just a matter of continuing to work on the page and find what other sourceable information we can get to make his page more than just a short entry.Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:48, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

:*I've also noticed where he's consistently used as a source in several books and texts. ([http://books.google.com/books?id=lB18hn9MSlEC&pg=PA89&dq=%22Harry+Sidebottom%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yEsoUd-IOMqU0QGDu4HIAQ&ved=0CF8Q6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=%22Harry%20Sidebottom%22&f=false], [http://books.google.com/books?id=HFyeYZfD410C&pg=PA376&dq=%22Harry+Sidebottom%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2UsoUZG5Mou80AGd7oDoCw&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBjgy#v=onepage&q=%22Harry%20Sidebottom%22&f=false], [http://books.google.com/books?id=Ka_h5htw-McC&pg=PA436&dq=%22Harry+Sidebottom%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OEwoUZqyN6Ww0AG-q4DIDw&ved=0CDoQ6AEwATh4#v=onepage&q=%22Harry%20Sidebottom%22&f=false], [http://books.google.com/books?id=2DYmrU56arMC&pg=PA264&dq=%22Ancient+Warfare%22+%22Harry+Sidebottom%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZIIoUbrBK_G-0QGY0IHACg&ved=0CGEQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=%22Ancient%20Warfare%22%20%22Harry%20Sidebottom%22&f=false], [http://books.google.com/books?id=8DvLQx9Lu-gC&pg=PA144&dq=%22Ancient+Warfare%22+%22Harry+Sidebottom%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xoIoUayXF5C70AGyjIHYDw&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=%22Ancient%20Warfare%22%20%22Harry%20Sidebottom%22&f=false]) Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:57, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

As far as his non-fiction work is concerned, every academic gets some quotations by others; that doesn't mean anything. I see no signs that his influence in the field is anywhere near the threshold of WP:PROF. As of now, the article speaks exclusively of the fiction stuff. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:55, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

::*One of his non-fiction books did get reviewed by Diálogos, which looks to be [http://www.scielo.sa.cr/revistas/dreh/iaboutj.htm peer reviewed] as far as I can tell. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:45, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

::*I did see where some of his stuff is used in various classrooms, specifically his book Ancient Warfare, so his non-fiction work does have a bit of a reach beyond his own college. ([https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:TjGSUG7Z4ZkJ:universityhonors.umd.edu/HONR228V%2520Syllabus%25201001.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESihNFE0dEtQUKpxwdXzKW4k-KtcqBtePPY-kuQI5sHasracsEiKI5xmmOlFOPAUdMexG55q56SYZT3dqL99z-LG21dl18lGTMFVtnWYVyiGx_Xa8HoSlcYcWpPO4bZF8Uk3oOY0&sig=AHIEtbSzMTtYNfzwAghLpQmCsz4X3ySn3Q], [http://www.ucd.ie/classics/postgraduateprogrammes/taughtmaprogrammes/seminartopics201213/], [http://www.trincoll.edu/~greger/hist334-2003.html], [https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:zSwca7_4x1YJ:www.classics.cam.ac.uk/cms_misc/media/9_Courses_Part_1B.doc+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShiwFV1ucRcUgRZ8Rhsna0ABVdBSdrsgA-QBCaEFjLjLEtmJZzAlhv3s--rzPl6t2BTcqfc6TN7dQmblnMESxuow8nxjVhAd9NkPJ45AfqrtaAGp-ddF77tYpyci_JA2NFKMIDO&sig=AHIEtbTzZNZuNi-CqtCq-xv95YVGUNG-2w]) The fiction stuff is easier to find sources for, but I just think that since there are mentions of his non-fiction work (especially in relation to his fictional series) and his career in general, an article on him would be better than just making an entry for the book series. It'd give us a way to make the information a little more rounded than just an entry on the book series. So far there's not much out there that can't be encompassed in the author's article.Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:03, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

::*Plus his Ancient Warfare book is in quite a few university libraries. ([http://www.worldcat.org/title/ancient-warfare/oclc/56755648&referer=brief_results]) We could just create an article for the book series, but I really think that'd be limiting the amount of info we could include about Sidebottom's other works. I'm not really arguing that he passes the guideline for professors as much as coverage and usage of his overall work would help him pass WP:AUTHOR and that we should focus on encompassing as much information as we can rather than just limit it to one book series.Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:18, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Keep: I think he is notable as the author of well known series of popular books and these have been the subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. Eg

::* Levick, B. (2010). FICTION IN BRIEF: Harry Sidebottom: Warrior of Rome III: Lion of the Sun. Times Literary Supplement, Sep 24th, 21.

::* Warshaw, J. (2008). Harry Sidebottom - Warrior of Rome. The Times Literary Supplement, 5497, January 1, 21.

::* [http://historicalnovelsociety.org/reviews/warrior-of-rome-lion-of-the-sun/ Sly, Gwen (2010) Review of Warrior of Rome: Lion of the Sun, Historical Novel Review Issue 54 (November 2010)] (Msrasnw (talk) 09:56, 23 February 2013 (UTC))

Keep Reviews cited above are sufficient to pass WP:AUTHOR. Ray^Talk 18:06, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Keep -- four books published by Penguin plus one by OUP plus the Lecturer position (=Prof.) at an Oxford college is enough for me even before seeing the reviews, etc. here. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 02:47, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

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