Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heart no Kuni no Alice

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Userfy. Moved to User:Extremepro/Heart no Kuni no Alice, deleted redirect. Arguments for keep are mostly based on liking it and the article being new, and consensus favoured incubation or userfication. Fences&Windows 18:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

=[[Heart no Kuni no Alice]]=

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A manga. No assertion of notability and no evidence thereof. "An English series might be published"! — RHaworth {{toolbar|separator=dot|talk | contribs }}

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. --Calathan (talk) 19:36, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Keep - This is a new article the lead has been edited and references added. A new article should only be deleted for serious issues like vandalism, copyright violations, and BLP violations. -- allen四names 00:18, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Keep for now This is a budding new article and references have been added, I would wait and see what happens. For this article to have potental it will need third party references however, and not just based on a single source like ANN. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:42, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Incubate Given the video game connection, the subject may have received coverage in Japanese gaming press. We can revisit the notability issue later once a search for more substantial source is conducted. Is there anyone willing to have this moved into their userspace and work on it? —Farix (t | c) 18:46, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

::There is no need to remove it, that the same is deleting it. Dream Focus 12:16, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Not quite. As deleting means that all the page history will be unseen by non-admins/crats while userfying/incubating means that the page history can be seen by everyone albeit not in the main space. Extremepro (talk) 12:02, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

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Comment: a more palatable link to a [http://manga.about.com/b/2009/08/10/tokyopop-announces-17-new-manga-titles-for-fallwinter-2009-2010.htm NA release] than from bookstores. --KrebMarkt 21:59, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Here is the [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-05-30/m-and-n-heart-no-kuni-no-alice-listed-by-amazon.ca original report] from ANN. However I didn't included it as it was based on an Amazon.ca listing, which even the ANN report admits wasn't always a reliable source. —Farix (t | c) 01:50, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Keep I click Google news and see plenty of mention of it. The first mentions the video game is a bestseller doing quite well in Japan. [http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=12234] Search for the second mention of the name in the article. Plenty more coverage out there, but this enough to prove it notable to me. Common sense indicates that high sales figures make something far more notable than just some magazine reviewing every game made from a company that buys advertisements in them. Dream Focus 12:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

::What search terms did you use. My search of Google News didn't turn up a single hit.[http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=6Ql&q=%22Heart%20no%20Kuni%20no%20Alice%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn][http://news.google.com/news?q=%22%E3%83%8F%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88%E3%81%AE%E5%9B%BD%E3%81%AE%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AA%E3%82%B9%22&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn] And looking at the other link you provided, the coverage is extremely minimal. But also video games do not have a separate notability guideline so it will fall under WP:N. And as has been established before, sales rankings are meaningless towards notability. —Farix (t | c) 12:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

:::I recall a number of times when sales figures alone proved quite notable to those in the AFD. It depends on the opinions of those around at the time to comment, and that of the closing administrator. And the Google news link at the top of the AFD is what I used. Dream Focus 13:37, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

~~If there is no one to userfy or incubate it then let go to No consensus.~~ The upcoming English release may provide the needed coverage for a clear Keep as reviews tend to appear within the two months of release. This series is absent from the English publisher website which may mean the release being delayed. I won't mind this article send to Afd again in 6 months if not enough evidences of notability are found within that time frame. Another point this article should be renamed Alice in the Country of Hearts according to the announced official English title. --KrebMarkt 14:18, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
:Edit: Userfy to Extremepro. --KrebMarkt 16:19, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Userfy to me please. Extremepro (talk) 11:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:::I prefer incubate to userfy. -- allen四names 19:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

::::In this case incubate will be inefficient as evidences of notability will appear in 4-5 months at the best. --KrebMarkt 08:23, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::If what you say is true this article would and perhaps should be deleted in incubation. That said I still prefer incubation to userification. -- allen四names 17:45, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 19:11, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

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