Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ilsa Paulson

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i fail to see how anyone would meet WP:NATHLETE for local marathons and no actual coverage. Unlike WP:NFOOTY and the like, notability isn't given for participation in runs and the claim of a national title appears to be false. Praxidicae (talk) 22:41, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

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• Keep - Although the article needs some serious cleanup, there seems to be enough coverage: Runner's World and Podiumrunning articles confirm the national title ([https://www.runnersworld.com/advanced/a20799392/ilsa-paulson-is-national-marathon-champ/], [https://www.podiumrunner.com/ilsa-paulson-wins-2009-us-womens-marathon-championship_5880]), another covers her move into competitive running ([https://www.runnersworld.com/advanced/a20794022/leading-edge-ilsa-paulson/]). She has further coverage in local news ([https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/sports/2401817-hartmann-paulson-win-cities-marathon], [https://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/2009/07/ilsa_paulson_first_us_woman_at.html], [https://www.columbian.com/news/2010/apr/24/us-woman-wins-weather-plagued-nashville-marathon/], [https://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/25/sports/25sportsbriefs-nashville.html]). Enough to pass WP:GNG. Achaea (talk) 23:14, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

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• Keep the efforts of Achaea have turned up [https://www.runnersworld.com/advanced/a20799392/ilsa-paulson-is-national-marathon-champ/ non-trivial coverage]. I also think winning any marathon should be a claim to WP:ANYBIO. Lightburst (talk) 01:01, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
• Keep Subject won the Twin Cities Marathon, which is not just some two bit local race. Its fairly prestigious, and according to our page is one of the most competitive marathons in the US. That to me seems to indicate passing WP:NATH. Combined with Acheae's above coverage, this individual easily meets our standards. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 03:15, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
• Keep I have cleaned up the article. There is sufficient coverage to meet general notability and her performances also meet sports notability, given she is an American national champion. The New York City Marathon is the top level of the sport, not a local event. SFB 12:25, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
• Keep but I agree cleanup is required.8Lizard^{talk to me!!!} 12:43, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
• Keep U.S. champion and non-trivial coverage as Achaea found. Jozape (talk) 16:26, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. Are people arguing under the GNG or under WP:NATH? I don't quite follow the above arguments. If under the GNG, there doesn't appear to be SIGCOV. If under WP:NATH, nobody that's !voted appears to have read the guideline. As far as I can tell, she doesn't meet any of the 10 criteria; particularly: she hasn't finished top-8 "in a competition at the highest level outside of the Olympic Games and world championships" (e.g. the guideline specifically lists the 6 World Major Marathons as instances of this requirement) nor has she competed in the IAAF World Half Marathon Championships (again listed in the guideline). The USA Marathon Championships are not on the aforementioned, while her other non-top-8 results are not in any of the previously mentioned categories (nor are they top-8!). Yes, they're all amazing feats, but they don't make her inherently notable per the guideline cited, and when it comes to coverage that would support inclusion per general notability, there is nothing substantial either, unless someone can provide several quality sources. Can anyone please elucidate which notability criteria she satisfies, and how? Best, PK650 (talk) 23:22, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

::5. Have won their country's senior national championship, with the exception of those that have never been ranked in the top 60 on the IAAF world leading list at the end of a given calendar year. Though she was never in the top 60, so she doesn't meet that criteria. However, she has sufficient coverage from non-local sources: [https://www.worldathletics.org/news/news/hartmann-and-paulson-claim-twin-cities-marath], [https://www.runnersworld.com/advanced/a20794022/leading-edge-ilsa-paulson/], and [https://www.podiumrunner.com/ilsa-paulson-wins-2009-us-womens-marathon-championship_5880]. Jozape (talk) 12:09, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

• Keep, Article needs some work but subject has won competitions beyond local matches. Alex-h (talk) 14:16, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

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