Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/JACDEC

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WP:SOAP R.Schuster (talk) 19:46, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

JACDEC is neither an independent organization, nor an authority or similar. Much more it seems to be a publishing company for books respectively an author's website. The [http://www.jacdec.de/ website] does not explain on which data the conclusions are based nor where they originate. This is a clear case of self-promotion and the obvious attempt, to establish some kind of respectability for the company with the help of wikipedia. The following evidences occur:

• Already the front page promotes their books. These books does not really seem to be serious publications.
• The [http://www.jacdec.de/aboutus/aboutus.htm About-Us]- page does not explain who one really is or where the data came from. The bulk of the text focuses on the promotion of their books.
• The [http://www.jacdec.de/media/references.htm References]-page does not list any organizations or enterprises in relevance to aviation security.
• For detailed information one have to [http://www.jacdec.de/media/ASC/jacdec_airline_safety_check.htm pay].
• Google found less than 6,000 pages, of which many are simple link-collections, or even have nothing to do with the company (similarity of names). (No, I have not looked through all 6,000 pages...) Correction: Only [http://www.google.at/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=jacdec+-wikipedia&start=500&sa=N 504 hits]. --R.Schuster (talk) 16:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

--R.Schuster (talk) 09:09, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

• CommentThis [http://www.google.at/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=JACDEC+-wikipedia&btnG=Search Google search] is completely irrelevant. --Pie is good ^{(Apple is the best)} 19:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

:You are right, [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=JACDEC+-wikipedia&start=480&sa=N this] google-search for JACDEC is more relevant: 486 hits. Best regards, --R.Schuster (talk) 09:25, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. The index is used in reliable sources, as a source as well as a topic, which to me makes it notable (and as a matter of fact, it's the only air traffic safety index I've ever heard of). See [http://www.sueddeutsche.de/reise/bildstrecke/464/156053/p0/] in the Süddeutsche Zeitung and [http://www.focus.de/reisen/fliegen/airline-sicherheit/sicherheitsranking-airlines_aid_236478.html] in Focus (German magazine). --Amalthea^Talk 21:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

:I'm not sure if this is enough to meet the notability guidelines according to WP:COMPANY. Below are the results of a google search with -wikipedia by 22:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC):

:#[http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=JACDEC+-wikipedia&start=480&sa=N JACDEC]: 423 hits

:#[http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22JACDEC+Safety+Index%22+-wikipedia&start=10&sa=N JACDEC Safety Index]: 18 hits

:#[http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jacdec-index+-wikipedia&start=30&sa=N jacdec-index]: 26 hits

:#Google Scholar [http://scholar.google.de/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=JACDEC+-wikipedia&btnG=Search search for JACDEC]: 3 hits

:Best regards, --R.Schuster (talk) 22:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

:: I'm arguing more for keeping the JACDEC index than for the company—I consider the index, being seemingly the major (only?) aircraft safety index in Germany, to be very notable. I don't want to make this into a question of counting ghits, but it is used in multiple reliable sources in Germany, Russia, Spain, and elsewhere as a measurement of airline security [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=JACDEC&hl=en&um=1&sa=N] [http://books.google.com/books?q=JACDEC&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wp] [http://scholar.google.de/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=JACDEC+-wikipedia&btnG=Search].
Maybe the best solution is to turn the article around, make it about the index, and only mention the company in a section. --Amalthea^Talk 22:47, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

:::The JACEC-index is unfeasible for judging airline-safety, because it allows a statement like "Lufthansa is infinitely more unsafe than Ghana International Airlines". --R.Schuster (talk) 23:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

:::: Which is in no way relevant when determining its notability though. --Amalthea^Talk 23:25, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. The sources found by Amalthea above demonstrate notability. The majority of the nominator's argument seems to revolve around the reliability of JACDEC's web site and statistics, which is completely irrelavent to notability. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

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