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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mangled Eye Studios

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. (X! · talk)  · @505  ·  11:06, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

=[[Mangled Eye Studios]]=

:{{la|Mangled Eye Studios}} ([{{fullurl:Mangled Eye Studios|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mangled Eye Studios}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

Article about a "small indie game development company" whose first game has yet to be released. It's unlikely that a company in this situation will be notable, and I don't think this one is. The first reference is a press release, the second gives only the name and "No Description Available". Of the external links, #1 and 3 are the company's own, #2 gives a 3-line description, #4 - 6 don't mention it as far as I can see. There are a fair number of Ghits, but all that I looked at have been trivial references, or press releases along the lines of "Mangled Eye Studios announces a preorder program for Dark Salvation". I don't see the substantial independent comment required for notability. If their game takes off, they may become notable, but we are not here to help publicise it in advance. Delete. JohnCD (talk) 17:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

:Can someone else look up notable references for this studio? This JohnCD guy can't seem to find anything and is prone to deleting things for no real reason. The game is available as I have a copy of it on my desk that I purchased. There are plenty of notable references. I would not have created the page if there had not been.

:To say that it is unlikely a company in this situation will be notable is a very opinionated comment and definitely not based on any real research by the proposed deleter. I've read the Notable information and the resources I have found all over the internet show the notability of this company. Why is this being singled out for deletion by 1 researchers opinion on the subject matter?

:If I redo the article to include more reference links it will be asked to be deleted. If I don't include reference links then researchers ask for it to be deleted cause of no reference links. How does an article need to be maintained or created to be kept on wikipedia? From what I have listed and the research I have done the company is notable in many places. Please do more research. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JasWind (talk • contribs) 19:07, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

::Comment - you say the game is "available" but its [http://www.mangledeye.com/darksalvation/order.html "official website"] calls it "upcoming" and is counting down to a date 25 days away. The article does not show any substantial comment from an independent source, nor could I find any, but anyone who can find some is welcome to add it. JohnCD (talk) 19:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete Does not conform to Wikipedia's notability guideline due to a lack of significant coverage in reliable sources, or unreliable sources for that matter. It's a fair comment that the developer is unlikely to be up to WP's notability standards, if the gaming press has nothing to go at except a few screenshots and pieces of concept art how are they going to write anything? I had a look for sources and came up with nothing of any substance, the game is [http://mangledeye.com/darksalvation/order.html not yet released] and the dev seems to be keeping its cards close to its chest. That's fine, but WP is a tertiary source, you heard it here last, so until the game is released or reviewers are given access to it in order to review it there is nothing to build an article with. If the game gets some reviews from reliable sources, then the game itself would be a good place to start, rather than Mangled Eye itself. Someoneanother 20:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete, After reviewing the links in the article and search of the web, the company does not appear to be notable. One unreleased game that has not been reviewed does not make the company notable. To show that the company is notable would take multiple independent sources that discuss the company. Even if reviews are found for this one game that would not make the company notable, it might make the game notable. A new name 2008 (talk) 23:18, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 23:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete. Fails WP:CORP Niteshift36 (talk) 06:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not notable yet. May become so after their game is released, but not yet. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - there is no coverage about this company from reliable sources. [http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/51726 This] is a s close as it gets to coverage as far as I can find. That falls well short of what is needed to establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 16:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.