Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mariana Serbezova

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Still fails SPORTSCRIT. Courtesy ping Geschichte JayCubby 04:39, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, and Olympics. JayCubby 04:39, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bulgaria-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:05, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
• What Bulgarian newspaper archives did you look in for this offline-era Olympic medalist and world silver medalist? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:32, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
• :@BeanieFan11, unfortunately, if those papers can't be found, then SPORTSCRIT is not met. JayCubby 02:11, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
• :: So you haven't looked at any? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:12, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
• :::BF11, cur ego? If you have access to Bulgarian newspapers, please share the results of your search. I wouldn't AfD this if I'd found evidence of noability.
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• :::Yes, I haven't looked at any.
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• :::I live in a different continent.
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  JayCubby 02:47, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
• :::: Its ridiculous to say you know this topic's non-notable when you haven't done any search whatsoever in relevant sources... BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:53, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
• :::::BF11, once again, have you any sources?
• :::::On your point, if she's notable, odds are there will be lasting, digital, coverage. JayCubby 03:10, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
• :::::: I haven't looked for sources yet. I wholeheartedly disagree with you though on your statement that the only people who are notable are those who have online, modern internet coverage. A very large number of those who are notable do not have coverage on the modern internet, particularly most people in human history from prior to the 2000s. I've written well over 100 good articles and probably the majority of them had no coverage available through a simple Google search. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:19, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::I'm not going to look for sources for this article, but I'd also like to disagree with notability being based on lasting digital coverage. Obviously, super duper notable stuff has lasting digital coverage but there is a lot of stuff that got coverage back in the day that is hard to come by nowadays. With a lot of the articles I write, most of the SIGCOV comes from Newspapers.com. Even digital stuff isn't foolproof, if one was to go look at a well-developed article's history from like 2014, they would find a great many dead links (and the Wayback Machine misses a lot of stuff) Digital-only newspapers are going to be a problem in the future also because without physical backup, I worry some of the digital coverage will be lost forever. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:42, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete the best I could find was 1 line mentions in google books. Unless someone finds coverage in Bulgarian, she fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 02:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep WP:SPORTBASIC says "The guidelines on this page are intended to reflect the fact that sports figures are likely to meet Wikipedia's basic standards of inclusion if they have achieved success in a major international competition at the highest level." She did achieve success in a major international competition at the highest level - she won a bronze medal in a rowing event at the 1980 Summer Olympics. Are you suggesting that winning an Olympic bronze medal isn't "success in a major international competition at the highest level"? As for coverage, by searching on her name in Cyrillic script, I found this article from 2021 [https://plovdivtime-bg.translate.goog/lica/olimpiiskite-medalisti-plovdiv-ana-bakova-i-mariiana-13912/?_x_tr_sl=bg&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc], which has more details about her, and in 2019, she was awarded a Bulgarian Olympic Committee "Sport for a Peaceful World" medal" [https://www.standartnews.com/sport/razdadokha-sportnite-ikar-i-nagradite-na-bok-409418.html]. With an award and half an article in 2019 and 2021, I think it's highly likely that there are more sources in Bulgarian dating from 1980 on, that have not yet been digitised. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:25, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
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• :Your first quote is only the second half of SPORTSBASIC, the first sentence of which is as follows: A person is presumed to be notable if they have been the subject of significant coverage, that is, multiple published non-trivial secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject.
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• :Critically, sports biographies "must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability, but it does indicate that there are likely sufficient sources to merit a stand-alone article."
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• :Your question, {{green|Are you suggesting that winning an Olympic bronze medal isn't "success in a major international competition at the highest level"?}}. No, I'm not, my reason for AfDing this is because Serbezova perhaps fulfills the reason for having an article (winning bronze) but has no SIGCOV (the letter of the policy).
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• :The 2021 one isn't substantial. There's a description of the race, but the only 'biographical' information on her is as follows (translated by an LLM because Google Translate is bad): {{teal|Mariyana Serbezova was born on October 15, 1959, in Plovdiv. She started rowing, like Ana Bakova, in 1972 under coach Milka Kuleva. She competed for Trakia Plovdiv, Akademik Sofia, and Levski Spartak. She was a multiple national champion and a medalist at numerous prestigious regattas. She retired from competitive rowing in 1991 and a year later began teaching physical education at a school in Sofia. She and Ana Bakova crossed paths twice at major championships. In 1979, they won silver in the quadruple sculls in Bled, Yugoslavia, and at the aforementioned 1980 Moscow Olympics, where they won bronze. In 1986, she competed at the World Championships in Nottingham and finished fourth in the quadruple sculls.}}
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• :The 2019 one is merely a list of recipients of the award. Serbezova's coverage there is translated as follows: {{green|Mariyana Serbezova – Bronze medalist at the 1980 Moscow Olympics, rowing, awarded the “Sport for a Peaceful World” medal on the occasion of a milestone anniversary.}} JayCubby 18:07, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

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• weak keep winning the Olympic medal helps notability. This [https://bnr.bg/en/post/100138853/bulgarian-olympic-glory-rowing] is at least confirmation of the win and some context, but minimal coverage. I'd give this a weak pass, given the Olympic win. Oaktree b (talk) 14:56, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
• :@Oaktree b, SPORTSCRIT states that {{green|sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability, but it does indicate that there are likely sufficient sources to merit a stand-alone article.}}. That source is by no means significant coverage. JayCubby 01:04, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Well, I have added the sources I found to the article. I maintain that finding coverage from 2021, and that she was awarded a medal in 2019, is a clear indication that we would find significant coverage from the 1970s and 80s if we had access to Bulgarian (and possibly other USSR) sources from that time. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:59, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
• Keep, clearly notable with some indicative coverage added. Geschichte (talk) 10:57, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
• Keep The medal, along with the sources found by RebeccaGreen is sufficient to keep the article. Enos733 (talk) 04:04, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

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