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:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Notability concerns have been addressed. (non-admin closure) TBrandley (what's up) 05:40, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

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:({{Find sources|Naaptol.com}})

I'm not entirely sure, but I don't believe this is notable. It doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:WEBCRIT. There are no significant media mentions except for a single India times article. Given that this is apparently the third creation of this article after it was previously speedied twice for being promotional, I believe this article is being created for promotional purposes. Skrelk (talk) 05:13, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

  • I do not agree with above comment and we should Keep this article on Wikipedia. Naaptol.com is one of the top online retail website in India so it should be noted on any encyclopedia.

:Moreover the reference they have cited in this article is absolutely reliable and credible one reference is from Moneycontrol.com which is noted on Wikipedia itself with the name CNBC-TV18 and is one of the largest news house in India. The second reference is from The Economic Times which is again a very reputed source. The third source Iamwire is not much known or reputed source but the information i have got from Alexa.com about Iamwire.com [http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/iamwire.com] is good , it has ranking of 7,629 in India and Reputation of 121. Lastly, we should not judge any moderator from his/her previous failures. Mukulsaurabh (talk) 07:22, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

  • Dear Skrelk, I appreciate your comment posted on the article but this article is not posted for promotional purpose at all. This content totally gives information about naaptol which many people may be searching for, as naaptol.com comes under top 12 best online shopping websites in india [http://www.siliconindia.com/news/technology/12-Best-Online-Shopping-Sites-In-India-nid-136668-cid-2.html]. As far as single media is concerned that is India times article, i believe Moneycontrol.com also comes under top trusted websites in india which also has listing on Wikipedia. However i have also included some more media source in the article which are independent of the site itself and meet WP:GNG or WP:WEBCRIT. I also appreciate comment posted by Mukulsaurabh on judging a person on his previous failures. I think you should Keep this article because Wikipedia is only a source from where users can get right and genuine information on almost everything and article posted on naaptol.com should be a part of it. --Webmaster.gitesh (talk) 10:43, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
  • I don't know whether I am eligible to become part of this discussion and post comment on this article but also wondering that why there is no information on Wikipedia about Naaptol similar to Jabong.com, Flipkart.com and others as all of these are india’s top online shopping portals and Wikipedia must provide information about these portals. I have read this information thoroughly with comment posted by Skrelk. According to me Wikipedia should Keep this article which I think is not promotional.--182.73.48.26 (talk) 13:19, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

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  • Delete I do not think there is anything here that shows notability . DGG ( talk ) 04:20, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep I believe similar to pages jabong.com and flipkart.com wikipedia should keep this page of information. I don't think there is any point to remove this page from wikipedia. According to me it is notable and should be there in wikipedia database for users who want to read about naaptol.com. I found this information quite interesting.--Dr.bhawnesh (talk) 07:34, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 00:17, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

  • Weak keep Delete - fails WP:CORPDEPTH. The sock-puppetry here is blindingly obvious and disgraceful. All keep voters have same broken English, same editing style and same contributions range - this AFD, their own user pages and the article in question. WP:QUACK! I won't even bother lodging an SPI - that would be an insult to CU and the closing admin here. Stalwart111 05:59, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

::The three almost-identical, LinkedIn-style user pages say it all, really. LOL. Stalwart111 06:02, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

:::I did lodge an SPI, but it was closed as looking more like COI Skrelk (talk) 06:34, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

::::Sure, the three might together also have a WP:COI. Happy to help lodge another SPI but I don't think it's needed - it's so obvious that the closer can't possibly take their !votes into account (vote-stack fail!) and it's limited to this article (all are WP:SPAs) so once it goes, they should also. If not, happy to help with another SPI if you wish. But we should, then, also ask for the title to be salted. Stalwart111 07:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete - not enough coverage in reliable sources. I know that we should avoid systemic bias, but it appears that even Indian media doesn't have any info. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:06, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep per sources found by Titodutta. Still, more are appreciated. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:43, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep: In all these articles the subject is either the primary topic or a major topic of discussion. Please open these articles, use browser's find option to find the word "naaptol".
  • [http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-08-01/news/29838622_1_portals-naaptol-com-venture The Economics Times]
  • [http://www.business-standard.com/india/technology/news/e-retailers-hire-more-tie-uplogistics-companies/451131/ Business-Standard]
  • [http://www.indiaretailing.com/news.aspx?topic=1&Id=3545 India retailing]
  • [http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/features/brandline/article2772121.ece Hindustan Business Line]
  • [http://www.sify.com/finance/e-commerce-portals-foray-into-tv-news-technology-lfkbaAddigf.html SIFY]
  • [http://www.sify.com/finance/e-commerce-portals-foray-into-tv-news-technology-lfkbaAddigf.html SIFY]
  • [http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/manu-agarwal-the-man-behind-naaptolcom_538088-1.html CNBC TV 18]

:--Tito Dutta (talk) 18:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

:*A better start, though three of those are from the same source (Business Standard, actually two are the same article). I'm 50/50 about the IndiaRetailing one and the HBL one that profiles a whole bunch of companies. But that goes a good way towards WP:CORPDEPTH. Now to deal with the COI/sock-puppetry. Stalwart111 01:38, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

:::Hello, Stalwart, I am quite sure you'll get more sources using these search options:

:::{{Find sources|Naaptol}}

:::{{Find sources|Naaptol online shopping}}

:::Actually I was reading the day's AFD nominations and felt very much surprised when I saw the comments "Napptol" is not notable. And I was/am trying to answer that part only. I have no comment on sock-puppetry, COI etc. --Tito Dutta (talk) 02:25, 12 January 2013 (UTC) [http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2010-08-05/news/27632908_1_canaan-partners-venture-capital-e-commerce one more] from ET. Tito Dutta (talk) 02:46, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

::::No, I understand that - entirely fair enough. I did look for sources but couldn't find much. The other issues aren't reasons for deletion anyway - just poor form. The ones you found, as I said, get us much closer to CORPDEPTH. It's always ironic when COI editors think the best way of saving their article is to vote-stack, and then they do it so badly! In reality, the work you did has a much better chance of saving it than all that nonsense. Great work! I've changed my !vote above - we still need to deal with the other stuff and the article needs work. Any chance you know enough about the subject to clean up the article? Stalwart111 04:43, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

:::::I have created the first draft here Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Naaptol.com (sorry I have too many subpages under my userpage already and my sandbox is busy). BTW, I am confused, in an Economic Times article wrote Naaptol is/was India's largest e-commerce shopping website (though it was only one line, see ref and details in "Recognitions" section in talk page). But, if it is really the largest e-commerce website of the world's 7th largest country, then it should help to pass the barrier of WP:GNG at least. Is not it? --Tito Dutta (talk) 06:27, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

::::::In my humble opinion, a very good start. As long as the "biggest in India" claim is sourced and the phrasing avoids WP:BIGNUMBER-style arbitrary comparisons, then yeah (again, in my opinion) it should be fine. Agree, it goes some way toward WP:N. I wouldn't want to base a notability case on that alone, but along with the sources you've found it's looking good. Stalwart111 08:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 04:48, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

  • Keep from the sources presented in here - if it's enough to convince Stalwart, it's enough to convince me. Lukeno94 (talk) 10:37, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. Tito Dutta's sources help towards WP:CORPDEPTH, though the "biggest in India" claim doesn't appear to be well sourced, seeming to be multiple repeats of one remark. Many of the online mentions are in lists of similar companies in India - just quickly picking a couple: [http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/SectorsInfotech/Click-shopping/Article1-750125.aspx Hindustan Times], Sept 2011: "eBay, Amazon, Homeshop18, Infibeam, Naaptol and Rediff Shopping are the top six shopping cart sites", and [http://gofoolish.com/?p=108# GoFoolish] (not sure this is a reliable source), Nov 2012: "Mumbai ... Mostly copycat startups : Example naaptol, inkfruit, myntra etc". Now, I note that we have articles on all those other companies mentioned,(*) so Wikipedia:Other stuff exists is relevant and taken with the other evidence suggests that we probably should have an article on naaptol for consistency.

:(*) We have had articles on HomeShop18 since Nov 10, Infibeam since Jun 11, Inkfruit since Mar 09 (currently up for its second AfD having survived one in Jun 10), Myntra.com since Nov 11, and Rediff.com since Jun 04.  —SMALLJIM  14:13, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Weak Keep.Paasable, but not good.--DThomsen8 (talk) 14:22, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.