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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northern Epirus

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was - Keep - Peripitus (Talk) 21:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

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This page is for an historicl (from 1913) name of South Albania and conteins information, only for the Greek minority in that part. There should be a Greek minority in Albania page, as for every ethnic or national minority in every state, as wiki policy describes. There should not be a confusion between Northern Epirus and Southern Albania, for three main reasons. Southern Albania is the official name for this region, and the one used more for this part. This is an unofficial region. Albanians compromise the main ethnicity of Southern Albania/Northern Epirus. We may creat a new page for the short-vived Northern Epirus Autonom Region, a new page for the Greek minority in Albania and also maybe a new page for Southern Albania unofficial region.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Arditbido (talk • contribs) 12:32, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

  • keep - notable (though contentious) political topic. But the article is a mess. It should be reworked into a (hopefully neutral) article about the political concept, similar to "Aegean Macedonia" and other controversial geographical terms with irridentist overtones. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:55, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete-as a political topic. There is Epirus (periphery) and Epirus (region) the other etnity for Epirus is nowadays called Southern Albania. We may creat this page and put as a second name Northern Epirus. We may reach an agreement, only if this part is not confused with Southern Albania and Greek Minority in Albania, because these are three different topics. Also Northern Epirus is not the same as northern part of Ancient Epirus. It is irredentist claim that is not officially recognised by Greek Goverment. In the official site of Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the region is called Southern Albania. The Greek President also held meetings with representatives of ethnic Greeks in Tirana, and in Southern Albania, where most of the Greek minority live [http://www.mfa.gr/www.mfa.gr/en-US/Policy/Geographic+Regions/South-Eastern+Europe/Balkans/Bilateral+Relations/Albania/] balkanian (talk) 12:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment for the attention of the closing administrator The above recommendation was posted by the nominator and shouldn't be counted separately. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 16:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Balkanian WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't as cut and dried as you make it and I don't believe it should be thrown out there like an intimidating piece of mud. There is a reason Aegean Macedonia has an article and it may apply equally to this one--I don't know. WP would be better off if we debated deletion on merit, and not WP:DOSPAGWYA--Mike Cline (talk) 22:56, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - North Epirus it is puzzling. All you see is the right-wing Greek nationalists favoring the long-term goal of unification of so-called North Epirus with Greece. Subsequently if we use the same conditions that they pretend, than some one can reflect the Albanian side. Southern of Albania “North Epirus” is almost in the middle of Albania, because from Konispol to Çamëria are / used to be Albanian territory and people speak fluent Albanian.If some Albanians speak Greek, it does not make them Greek or a minority. They are just immigrants who have learned the language and work in Greece. Let’s deleted and keep Epirus.--Taulant23 (talk) 18:40, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - seems like just a lot of POV to me -- CD 21:31, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
  • keep. Quite a significant political term in Greece. A google search for "Βόρεια Ήπειρος" ψομεσ θπ ςιτη μορε τηαν 100,000 ρεσθλτσ. Pages covering the concept in detail include:
  • [http://www.neolaia.de/2opseis/DaneiaeeU/Oay_io5i/B_CDAENIO/b_cdaenio.html Kokavesi, Eleonora-Heleni, Northern Epirus]
  • [http://www.e-grammes.gr/2002/02/autonomia.htm "Northern Epirus:Chronicle of an autonomy struggle"]
  • [http://www.geocities.com/xeimarra/bhistory.htmn The History of Northern Epirus]
  • [http://www.geocities.com/north_epirus/ North Epirus] Dimadick (talk) 12:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. It might not exist in any concrete form, but it was a term and an issue for Greek nationalism (and for Albania as well) for many decades. It has thus historical, political and diplomatic significance. The term is used in scholarly literature, as [http://scholar.google.gr/scholar?q=%22Northern+Epirus%22&hl=en&lr=&btnG=Search searches on Google Scholar] (470 hits) and [http://books.google.com/books?q=Northern+Epirus&btnG=Search+Books Google Books] (1600 hits) show.--Damac (talk) 14:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep per Future Perfect. I might add that Northern Epirus and Greek minority in Albania are not mutually exclusive: the former is an irridentist term and a region of indefinite and rather flexible boundaries; the latter is a people who presumably could be enumerated and described. Both would make interesting articles provided the authors check their tribalisms. Aramgar (talk) 01:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - the region is inexistent - it's being politically misused to favor greek irredentism. --A B X T • ៛ 21:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge into Epirus (region) or any better suggestion. Yes, other crap exists, so why not merge those articles too? It's a political concept, and Greeks prefer their terminology while Albanians find it irredentist. What exactly is in the article that can't go somewhere else? BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 08:09, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Logically we would start with the article at hand and then work on other articles, no? BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 09:14, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep A clear case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Only Albanian users in favor of deletion. --Tsourkpk (talk) 10:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment There asre certain arguments for its deletion. There is not I do not like that page.balkanian (talk) 15:01, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

:*This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 14:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep. There is no argument for deletion. The term is used in a notable way, as users above have pointed out. I don't like ethnic conflicts either, but that's not relevant to this discussion. In a normal situation (such as Burma vs. Myanmar), the solution would be to make one name redirect to the other. However, in this case it's very clear that such a renaming would produce a wiki-war over whose preferred term was used for the actual page. The only solution I can see is to make both Northern Epirus and Southern Albania as short articles each with a cross-link in the lead paragraph, and to move the stuff about minorities to an entirely separate page. --N Shar (talk · contribs) 23:46, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. There is not a single serious argument for deletion. Northern Epirus is a historical term recognized by International Treaties (at 1913) and used during international negotiations. I can not realise why we should hide history. Even more when the situation in this region is so fragile. Lets respect history and minorities as well.

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.