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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sally Fletcher

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:14, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

=[[Sally Fletcher]]=

:{{la|Sally Fletcher}} ([{{fullurl:Sally Fletcher|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sally Fletcher}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

another for the barbie; non-notable fictional character with all the usual fancruft issues. note ridiculous fansite "references". delete. Jack Merridew 14:18, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep - the character is notable and there are several refs I quickly found ([http://www.theage.com.au/news/tv--radio/tribute-to-dull-and-dependable-sally/2008/04/02/1206850985624.html], [http://www.theage.com.au/news/tv--radio/does-sally-fletcher-die/2007/01/12/1168105151301.html], [http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23472251-5006022,00.html]). The article as it stands is a load of tripe, but the notablility of the character is, I think, warranted.  florrie  14:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep. The fact that the character's departure from the program after a long tenure resulted in multiple articles in national newspapers appears alone to be sufficient to satisfy the requirements of the GNG, as well as supporting the inference that further coverage exists. There's a Google News hit less than a week old, profiling another Australian actor, which presumes that its readers are familar with the Fletcher character, and many other Google News hits (even screening out the many other folks with the same name). Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 18:15, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep This character is one of the originals, dating back to 1988, well before the popularity of the internet so there may be many more books or news articles about it that we're not aware of. A very refined [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&num=100&q=%22Sally+Fletcher%22+%22Home+and+Away%22+-backtothebay+-tviv+-bebo+-forum+-youtube&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&fp=aL254U07Li4 Google search] resulted in 4,500 hits, including [http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22920396-5012964,00.html], [http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22806122-5006002,00.html], [http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/from-soap-star-to-all-washedup-1361732.html] "Ritchie's emotional departure from the show attracted huge coverage in Australia, making it onto several news shows, and even earning a 24-page supplement in the TV Week. Her final episode on April 3 in Australia drew in 1.5m viewers, which was unprecedented for an early evening soap in Oz", [http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/soaps/article947892.ece], [http://www.theage.com.au/news/tv--radio/tribute-to-dull-and-dependable-sally/2008/04/02/1206850985624.html], [http://www.theage.com.au/news/tv--radio/does-sally-fletcher-die/2007/01/12/1168105151301.html], [http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,23663,22484465-10229,00.html], [http://www.smh.com.au/news/tv--radio/kate-ritchie-leaves-home-and-away/2007/09/26/1190486346923.html], [http://www.smh.com.au/news/tv-reviews/home-and-away/2008/04/02/1206850993675.html], [http://www.thewest.com.au/aapstory.aspx?StoryName=421985], [http://www.rte.ie/arts/2007/1211/homeandaway.html], [http://www.metro.co.uk/fame/article.html?in_article_id=55625&in_page_id=7], [http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/09/26/2043416.htm?section=entertainment], [http://www.elmaradaaustralia.org/?q=node/988], [http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_entertainment_story_skin/1763520], [http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/you-know-we-belong-together-1268389.html], [http://www.watoday.com.au/news/entertainment/tv--radio/mad-bad-and-dangerous/2009/07/08/1246732366091.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1], [http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24134119-5006014,00.html]. Google News search pulls [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?um=1&ned=us&hl=en&num=100&q=%22Sally+Fletcher%22+%22Home+and+Away%22&cf=all 109] hits, there's an indepth interview with the actress [http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/a66375/kate-ritchie.html here], and there are a few [http://books.google.com/books?um=1&num=100&q=%22Sally+Fletcher%22+%22Home+and+Away%22&btnG=Search+Books Google Books hits]. Yes, the article is poorly written, but that doesn't mean it should be deleted. Matthewedwards :  Chat  19:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

:* Today's Sunday Herald Sun features an article on H&A and Sally, coincidently. It says Kate Ritchie most famously played one of the foster kids for 20 years, and it's Sally who "symbolises the show’s 21 years on television."(Luke Dennehey - "Party on the Beach" page 24, 12 July 2009, Sunday Herald Sun) There's also another piece in the same newspaper that gives H&A{{'}}s Top 10 Moments. Sally's departure is one of them: "After 20 years, Kate Ritchie leaves Home and Away in one of the most talked about episodes of Australian soap history".("Top 10 Home & Away Moments" page 24, 12 July 2009, Sunday Herald Sun) Matthewedwards :  Chat  20:05, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep long time character in a major series is usually notable . In this case, there are clearly the references to show it, as above. The nom could have found them, too. DGG (talk) 00:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep. She was a character in Home and Away for ten years. Jack, not a good nomination. Fences&Windows 00:48, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  • : Twenty years — and the article sucked; still does. The notability is Kate's, not Sally's. Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  • :: Crap article≠delete. Sally does have notability, some of the refs provided above prove it. Matthewedwards :  Chat  07:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  • :: Agreed; nowhere in deletion policy does "the article sucks" appear as a valid criterion to delete. As far as the notability of the character goes, it doesn't transfer by definition to the actress playing the character any more than notability is transferrable the other way around. Keep.  RGTraynor  07:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

::*OK, twenty years. Jack, did you even try to look for references? Coz I found these in two minutes:[http://www.theage.com.au/news/tv--radio/does-sally-fletcher-die/2007/01/12/1168105151301.html][http://www.theage.com.au/news/tv--radio/tribute-to-dull-and-dependable-sally/2008/04/02/1206850985624.html]. Fences&Windows 04:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep as per everyone but the nominator. Editors have shown several sources exist and needing cleanup is never grounds for deletion. Edward321 (talk) 12:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
  • It is very hard sometimes to distinguish lines between notability of a character from notability of the actor or the show but I think in this case Sally is a notable character and there are a significant number of sources available to support an article. So I would keep the article but rewrite and source and remove the fan crufty OR type material. Sarah 04:40, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep but article needs help badly. Orderinchaos 12:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep Notable character in a notable work of fiction. Dream Focus 18:15, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.