Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sion Jobbins

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Does not meet WP:NPROF, writings are not significant enough for WP:AUTHOR, so the most notable thing about this local government politician is that he recently co-founded a campaign for Welsh Independence (but no longer leads it). I attempted to initiate a discussion on the talk page but the notability banner was unilaterally removed. The page subject does get some media mentions as the Yes Cymru founder, such as a recent article in Welsh Language weekly magazine, Golwg. However, I don't believe any sources that have come to light at this stage in my WP:BEFORE or on the article amount to significant coverage. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:04, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors and Wales. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:04, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
• Delete, or charitably redirect to Yes Cymru. I'm struggling to find any significant news coverage about Jobbins, apart from the announcements of his resignation from "Yes Cymru".Other articles are Jobbins writing, or commenting on "Yes Cymru" or Welsh independence - which enhance the notability of "Yes Cymru" and Welsh independence, but not Jobbins. I can't find significant numbers (or any) reviews of his books, so these don't seem likely to carry him over the WP:AUTHOR threshold either. Sionk (talk) 22:32, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

• Delete or Merge:For me fails WP:GNG and WP:NPROF, either should be deleted or merged to the Yes Cymru article instead of a standalone article. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 23:04, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
• Keep - There is sufficient notability here as a political figure. You don't need to be an elected politician to be notable in a political movement. It is also not necessarily whether he is as well written about since resigning. Titus Gold (talk) 23:40, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

::The basics of meeting WP:GNG is that he should be 'well written about'. Sionk (talk) 00:25, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

:::Ok, that's fair enough. Titus Gold (talk) 15:21, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

• Delete, no significant coverage. Redirection to YesCymru would be acceptable. Bishonen | tålk 09:16, 23 February 2023 (UTC).
• Delete per above and no significant coverage of the individual himself, not sure what a redirect would serve as there is unlikely to be a lot of due weighted content suitable for a merge? I only see a sentence on YesCymru's founding and Jobbins stepping down to be merged somewhat, as that directly relates to YesCymru. DankJae 20:41, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
• Keep - activists can be notable with WP:SIGCOV, as shown here. Bearian (talk) 18:36, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
• :Thanks Bearian. I agree that, indeed, anyone who meets WP:SIGCOV will be notable. I don't think it is demonstrated here that the subject is shown to meet it. There are 17 references on the page, but only 5 are actually about him, many of the others not even mentioning him, or being press releases about YesCymru. 5 sounds like a lot, but it is not, because two (refs 1 and 3) are just a link to his staff profile page. Two others merely announce his standing down as YesCymru leader. There is, in fact, only one reference that purports to discuss him as a subject, and that is a Welsh language weekly magazine/paper (it is half way between those. Not sure what the right word is), anyway, Golwg has this short article [https://golwg.360.cymru/cylchgrawn/2104014-sion-jobbins], but even that is not really about him, it is about St David's Day parades. This is a long way from establishing "sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time." Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:38, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
• Weak delete and redirect to YesCymru for now. The many sources are enough to reference the article but I did not find 2 of them to clearly establish WP:GNG. A redirect (with inbound links kept intact) would allow the article to be recreated later if/when the subject becomes notable. Rkieferbaum (talk) 13:59, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

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