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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tina Nguyen

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Flowerparty☀ 23:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

=[[Tina Nguyen]]=

:{{la|Tina Nguyen}} ([{{fullurl:Tina Nguyen|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tina Nguyen}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

Not notable. Only claims to notability are (1) dancer in an R. Kelly video, and (2) former "Miss Vietnam Budweiser Girl". She's also been employed by several notable artists, but in an apparently non-noteworthy capacity. Hairhorn (talk) 22:08, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:*Wha? Hairhorn (talk) 00:21, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

:*Keep supports guidelines in WP:ENT and WP:ACTOR. Significant notable lead roles in several films and tv shows with film producing. Not sure if she is the journalist as unclear if it's the same person at Los Angeles Times but researching if she is the Times writer. Do you know? BioDetective2508 (talk) 22:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

:::*Huh? Lead roles? Films? All I see is dancing in an R Kelley video... not a film, not a lead role. Hairhorn (talk) 16:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

:::*If you clink on the wiki internal links and her third-party sources, she has a lead in the Charlie & Martin Sheen film No Code of Conduct and Let's Talk About Sex (also credited as Producer), lead guest roles in The District and Pensecola. She's established on those wiki pages and categories. Also, there are sites though not under the guideline of reliable source sites that she is credited as management for Velvet Revolver and on an MTV Velvet Revolver video special. I'm wondering if she is the journalist too. If anyone knows perhaps should add to bio? BioDetective2508 (talk) 10:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete. There are no reliable third-party sources to establish notability of this person.Biophys (talk) 02:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - The claims earlier about her "lead roles" are patently false; she has had a few bit parts in films. Not enough to satisfy WP:ACTOR, and not enough general coverage to satisfy WP:BIO. -- Atamachat 20:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

:*Incorrect. They are credited lead roles and supporting lead on numerous of film sites and does in fact fall under WP:ACTOR guidelines. BioDetective2508 (talk) 22:52, 26 June 2009

::*Reply - No Code of Conduct only has 3 billed stars, she's not one of them, so your statement above is false. The "Let's Talk About Sex" film is arguable, and the TV shows were one-shots. You're inflating her career artificially. -- Atamachat 19:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

:::*Reply - No Code of Conduct is considered an ensemble cast. Casting, billing credits and extended articles via internet state Tina Nuyen and Meredith Salenger are the female leads. Moreover, the 3 stars you mentioned received top billing (name before film title) which excludes other credited stars but notwithstanding (ie Gleason, Masak, Nguyen, Salenger, Lando, Gains). If you please view the wiki film link you will see that each person I mentioned has a starring and/or supporting lead role in the ensemble with three actors receiving top billing (top billing is a contractual agreement term usually reserved for marketing, sales and distribution purposes normally extended to "A" list or known actors with international appeal and excludes other starring players in the film with less marketable names; however, does not demean nor lessen the other starring actors creditability and notability in the project). Example: Dolph Lundgren receives top billing on most all of his projects however he is not the sole starring actor, he simply has international marketing appeal that commands top billing. Please do not confuse top billing with solely starring and sole leads. Lastly, this actress appears on the tiers sheets, posters and video cover of the film (viewable on IMDB link) that does not occur unless the actor has a significant/notable part in the film. BioDetective2508 (talk) 23:24, 29 June 2009

  • Delete The only Velvet Revolver references I've found are from the band's official site - a Tina Nguyen is included (amongst dozens of others) in sleeve-note 'thanks to' lists in 2004 and 2005. No indication of role. No sources referring to 'management' found anywhere - even though BioDetective states there are some "not under the guideline of reliable source sites." And to say the acting roles are these movies female 'leads' is misleading - some movies simply do not have equal gender involvement (off the top of me head: Snatch would be a similar example). The roles are comparatively minor and do not fit WP:ACTOR. As for the LA Times journalist - its hardly an uncommon name and she is quite clearly not that person. Plutonium27 (talk) 02:25, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

:* Reply On the discography for Contraband, Velvet Revolver it states management team: Immortal Entertainment which goes on to distinguish the team of managers; also a radio broadcasting interview with Michigan quotes her as a manager. In addition, on her IMDB page it states it in her trivia information. All other reviews of film projects states she is the female lead "lead of the bad guys" how you wish to language the distinction of an ensemble is a matter of opinion but the facts on numerous of reliable film source sites issues her amongst other actors in the ensemble as notable roles and the blogging on the films mention her significant performance numerous of times. I've stated my opinion and added additional sources so it's up to admin. The name is common hence why I asked for clarification if she was the journalist, thanks for the answer if that is factual. BioDetective2508 (talk) 21:35, 29 June 2009

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