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I am nominating this article for deletion because it lacks notability and contains very little useful content. The university ceased to exist as an independent entity in 2010 after being merged into Tallinn University. The article provides minimal historical context, no significant coverage from reliable independent sources, and fails to establish why this defunct institution deserves a standalone entry. Additionally, the article lacks encyclopaedic value due to poor structure and insufficient context, making it difficult for readers to understand the subject or its relevance. Any notable information here could be better incorporated into the Tallinn University article.

ᴛʜᴇMᴀɴLK ^(Talk) 23:53, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

• comment - I suggest searching "Akadeemia Nord" for sources. Universities rarely fail GNG. For example they wanted to merge into Tartu University etc. Pelmeen10 (talk) 15:40, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. Has a number of reliable and independent sources sources. An entry at [http://entsyklopeedia.ee/artikkel/akadeemia_nord Eesti entsüklopeedia], articles in Postimees and Õhtuleht, etc. ExRat (talk) 08:11, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
• Merge - The article is just one sentence, with no sources or context. Even if the subject might meet notability, this version clearly doesn’t. Given the 2010 merger into Tallinn University, merging any sourced content there makes more sense than keeping this standalone stub. 37.139.112.182 (talk) 19:58, 9 April 2025 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE Izno (talk) 20:35, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
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• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Schools and Estonia. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect to Tallinn University. As a private university, the relevant notability guidelines are WP:NORG and so sources that meet WP:ORGDEPTH are required. We don't have these. The keep vote does point to a paragraph in Eesti Entsüklopeedia that discusses it, but that is interesting in that it notes it was formerly Tallinn Bachelor Private School, then it became University Nord, and then merged into Tallinn University. It really makes more sense to discuss it in the Tallinn University article, where the very limited information we have can sit within a larger and more useful context. Not suggesting merge as I don't think anything on the page is mergeable, although the Eesti Entsüklopeedia entry found here could be used on the merge target page, of the encyclopaedia (likely a tertiary source) is a suitable reliable source. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:14, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
• Keep seems to pass WP:SUBSTANTIAL. I think article should be expanded. There's enough material in Estonian Wikipedia, also adding a few sources found in quick search. [https://tartu.postimees.ee/253330/akadeemia-nord-tuli-tartu-ulikoolile-kosja] [https://www.ohtuleht.ee/375452/akadeemia-nord-tahab-tartu-ulikooli-ruppe-minna] [https://www.ohtuleht.ee/269052/akadeemia-nord-voitis-kohtuvaidluse-koolitusloa-ule] [https://www.postimees.ee/268908/akadeemia-nordi-psuhholoogiaope-tunnistati-kolbmatuks] [https://novaator.err.ee/251191/tartu-ulikooli-liitumislabiraakimised-akadeemiaga-nord-loppesid-edutult] [https://www.ohtuleht.ee/146216/akadeemia-nord-jattis-opilastood-ouele-vedelema] [https://www.delfi.ee/artikkel/19160663/akadeemia-nord-doktoriope-jaab-akrediteeringuta]. 1991-1998 it was called "Bakalaureuse kool" which also has coverage [https://epl.delfi.ee/artikkel/50738487/bakalaureuse-kool-hindab-iseseisvust]. There's even a book about its history [https://www.apollo.ee/uhe-kooli-lugu-1991-2016.html]. Pelmeen10 (talk) 23:44, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
• :I thought the book would clinch it - except no, because that is published by Eraakadeemia Nord, so that is clearly not independent. To meet NORG (and, indeed, GNG), we need significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources. Let's look at each of these:
• :1. [https://tartu.postimees.ee/253330/akadeemia-nord-tuli-tartu-ulikoolile-kosja] is a news article that confirms this was a "small private university" and speak about the plans to merge. There is no WP:ORGDEPTH coverage here. Note what is required for ORGDEPTH: {{tq|Such coverage provides an organization with a level of attention that extends well beyond brief mentions and routine announcements, and makes it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about the organization}}. This is not a routine announcement but it provides nothing about the university other than it is small and private. We cannot even use the merge discussion because this is a primary source for that. {{nay}}
• :2. [https://www.ohtuleht.ee/375452/akadeemia-nord-tahab-tartu-ulikooli-ruppe-minna] Even briefer article about the above. No for the same reasons. {{nay}}
• :3. [https://www.ohtuleht.ee/269052/akadeemia-nord-voitis-kohtuvaidluse-koolitusloa-ule] News report about the refusal and court annulment of refusal of permit to teach psychology. Still no ORGDEPTH and this is very much a primary source. Sources must be secondary for notability purposes. {{nay}}
• :4. [https://www.postimees.ee/268908/akadeemia-nordi-psuhholoogiaope-tunnistati-kolbmatuks] also news about the initial finding and refusal of permit to teach psychology. Primary source. There is a little information about the poor teaching of psychology, but if we stitched that into an article our article would be a secondary source and would look like an attack page. Wikipedia articles are tertiary. We need a secondary source that already looks, in a more balanced way, at whatever the issue was with teaching at the university. We don't have that, and it doesn't appear to exist, because this is really just day to day operations as regards small institutions. {{nay}}
• :5. [https://novaator.err.ee/251191/tartu-ulikooli-liitumislabiraakimised-akadeemiaga-nord-loppesid-edutult] More news regarding succesful accession/merger. This is primary sourcing, but the facts of this merger are why we should redirect to Tallinn university. Tallinn is the successor institution. {{nay}}
• :6. [https://www.ohtuleht.ee/146216/akadeemia-nord-jattis-opilastood-ouele-vedelema] News report that student work was left outside, No ORGDEPTH. Note also that 2,3 and 6 all come from the same source and would be counted together for notability, but it is moot as I don't think any of these can be used. {{nay}}
• :7. [https://www.delfi.ee/artikkel/19160663/akadeemia-nord-doktoriope-jaab-akrediteeringuta] News that it was running an unaccredited doctoral programme. we could use the information that it began the programme, without accreditation, in 2002/03 academic year. But that is not ORGDEPTH. {{nay}}
• :8. [https://epl.delfi.ee/artikkel/50738487/bakalaureuse-kool-hindab-iseseisvust] - This one presents an interesting conundrum. It has a little information. It is not really ORGDEPTH, but it is the first source that actually provides a touch of history, telling us that, apparently, the Bachelor's school is one of the oldest private educational institutions in Estonia. "One of" means not the oldest then. But it may hint of more information about the Bachelor's school. But if we searched and found information about the Bachelor's school, we run into an issue as to what is actually notable here. Because the Bachelor's school was an upper secondary and further education college, but not constituted as a university. We usually treat pages in the current name where a school closes and reopens with a new name/legal basis. But that is when the successor institution is of the same type. A school closes as Grange Hill High, and reopens as Grange Hill Academy. But the school is still a school doing all the same things. Only management and funding have changed. Here it seems that the school closed and a different institution, a private university, replaced it. That university then merged, and its successor institution is still a university. So if the Bachelor's school is notable (and that is a big if: all we have here is a presumption that more searching may be fruitful), then the page should be the Bachelor's school, and not University Nord. {{nay}}
• :9. [https://www.apollo.ee/uhe-kooli-lugu-1991-2016.html] As discussed above, not independent. {{nay}}
• :So we do not have a pass of NORG here. We do have lots of expected coverage of a non notable private university. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:34, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
• ::We should start what WP:ORGDEPTH is about. Basically any eligable sources helping the article to be expanded beyond permastub would pass it.
• ::Calling Postimees a primary source is a crime. It is the biggest and oldest Estonian newspaper.
• ::Dont even see the reason for discarding number8.
• ::Did you check Estonian wikipedia and the "Eesti entsüklopeedia" entry? Pelmeen10 (talk) 01:03, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
• :::I said the merge discussion in the Postimees source is primary. Information is primary or secondary depending on the question asked of the source and is nothing to do with the provenance of the source. The source is a reliable one, certainly, and the news report contains information that is secondary, which I considered. I said the information about the merge discussion itself was primary, because the article is reporting the merge discussion. Take a look at WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Do you have sources from the Estonian wikipedia page we should be considering? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:36, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

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