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I cannot confirm his playing for the Cameroonian national team, and if not, this is not a footballer meeting the inclusion standards. Geschichte (talk) 21:45, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:40, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

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• Keep I found confirmation very easily, see [http://www.rsssf.com/tablesc/cemac02.html] [https://www.camfoot.com/a-la-une/vital-mevengue-amateur-au-sein-des,5421.html] [https://camfoot.com/actualites/coupe-de-la-cemac-cameroun-les,5658.html] [https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/cameroon-looks-abroad]. Other websites: [http://www.cameroon-info.net/article/coupe-du-cameroun-les-hommes-a-suivre-de-la-finale-91299.html]. There's not a lot of information online, unfortunately, but there's enough to write a properly referenced stub, and I'm sure he would have been written about locally offline. SportingFlyer T·C 00:15, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

::Actually looks like that was the Amateur team he won the CEMAC Cup with. Was on the bench for a friendly in Germany. May not pass, will keep looking. SportingFlyer T·C 00:23, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

:::I just recently raised a post over at WT:WPF that international stats of many African nations are too beefed up with U20, U23 and B team matches. Geschichte (talk) 15:12, 12 February 2020 (UTC)′

• Comment - Mevengue [https://lematin.ma/journal/2003/Finale-aller-de-la-Coupe-de-la-CAF--victoire-convaincante-du-Raja/34377.html played] for Cotonsport in one leg (and probably both legs) of the 2003 CAF Cup final against RCA. I realize the CAF Cup was the second-tier continental competition in Africa, but playing in the final is something that potentially makes him notable. He also [http://www.teammelli.com/Games/400-IRN-CAM.htm played] for Cameroon at the 2003 LG Cup (Iran) which may be an "A" international, but I'm not sure. I think it will be impossible to satisfy the GNG with online sources, but this footballer was likely among the very best domestic-based players in Cameroon from 2003 - 2005 (even though he was never a full professional). Jogurney (talk) 15:19, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
• It appears that the 2003 LG Cup (Iran) matches are not FIFA "A" Internationals. I've seen sources indicate that Uruguay sent a "B" team, and Cameroon sent a U-21 team (which is odd because Mevengue would have been 25 at the time). Jogurney (talk) 16:13, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

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• Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Ping me if any more sources can be found. GiantSnowman 21:09, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
• Keep coverage for playing and scoring in the 2003 CEMAC Cup final is close to meeting GNG. Played for years in top tier of Cameroon football, including in final of the 2003 CAF Cup against Raja Casablanca. Hard to think that there isn't a lot more coverage available in contemporary off-line Cameroonian sources. Nfitz (talk) 20:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

::Going through a deeper search. Those CEMAC cup references aren't as strong as I thought. There's hints he played in an international friendly, but it's not clear. Hard to find any sources. Nfitz (talk) 22:44, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

:::Of course 30 seconds later, I realise that there are real [http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/3981603.stm sources] that show he was at least called up for a proper international match - November 17, 2004 against Germany. But did he play? Nfitz (talk) 22:48, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Nfitz}} I did check the match sources from [https://www.11v11.com/matches/germany-v-cameroon-17-november-2004-254094/ 11v11] and [https://au.soccerway.com/matches/2004/11/17/world/friendlies/germany/cameroon/633275/ soccerway], both of those results show that he didn't play for the national squad in that friendly. HawkAussie (talk) 00:12, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. Will be happy to change my vote if it can be clearly shown that CEMAC Cup games are A-level, which I'm sure they were not. --BlameRuiner (talk) 12:15, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
• Delete The main problem here is the CEMAC Cup games and if they are A-level games but the thing is that Cameroon sent an Amateur team which did featured this player. He fails WP:FPL as the Cameroon league isn't a professional league so the real question is what to do with the CEMac Cup matches and unless they were official matches, I vote delete. HawkAussie (talk) 00:06, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

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