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==== Disney roller coasters ====

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:The result of the discussion was: Keep all. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:52, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

:Propose merging :Category:Roller coasters at Disney California Adventure to :Category:Disney roller coasters

:Propose merging :Category:Roller coasters at Disneyland Park (Anaheim) to :Category:Disney roller coasters

:Propose merging :Category:Roller coasters at Hong Kong Disneyland to :Category:Disney roller coasters

:Propose merging :Category:Roller coasters at Tokyo Disneyland to :Category:Disney roller coasters

:Nominator's rationale: Merge. Very few articles grouped in these categories. I feel it is an example of overcategorisation. Similar categories to the parent like :Category:Six Flags roller coasters have many more articles but are fine without subcategories. This is also an attempt to standardise the subcategories of :Category:Roller coasters by operating company. Themeparkgc  Talk  22:57, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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== Category:MickWithoutGlasses's articles ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete.--Mike Selinker (talk) 08:19, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:{{Lc|MickWithoutGlasses's articles}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. I'm pretty sure past consensus is that we don't use categories to organize one particular editor's user space. A user can create a list within his or her user space to list his draft articles if organization is needed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:14, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

  • Delete – I share the nom's views on past consensus and that this particular consensus still holds (despite the splendid collection before us of 3 draft articles by MickWithoutGlasses). We could probably do without such as :Category:Knokout discography too. Occuli (talk) 00:42, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

::Consider that killed; it was being filed in articlespace, but everything in it was a sandbox page (which aren't supposed to have articlespace categories on them), so when I decategorized the sandbox pages the category was suddenly empty. For what it's worth, I actually suspect that the band in question is somewhere between non-notable and non-existent, but this obviously isn't the right forum for that discussion. Bearcat (talk) 10:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

  • Delete per nominator. Alternatively we already have Special:PrefixIndex for this purpose. Armbrust Talk Contribs 22:02, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Delete per nominator. Bearcat (talk) 10:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Delete per vast (and sound) past precedent against such individual user categories. VegaDark (talk) 04:31, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

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== Category:Sports teams in Portland ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Sports teams in Portland, Oregon. Several California cities have this classification, such as :category:Sports teams in San Diego, California. Many big US cities don't, so we might wish to decide whether we want any of these. But for now, I'm just going to add the state.--Mike Selinker (talk) 08:19, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Sports teams in Portland}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete or rename Deletion is my first choice because I think the parent category :Category:Sports in Portland, Oregon is just fine. But I can see why some may prefer the finer category, in which case its name must absolutely be renamed :Category:Sports teams in Portland, Oregon. Pichpich (talk) 19:06, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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== Category:Frank Farian artists ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete.--Mike Selinker (talk) 08:19, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Frank Farian artists}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete or possibly rename to something like :Category:Musicians associated with Frank Farian. The current title suggests that Farian "owned" the artists (in the way record labels "own" artists). As far as I understand, Farian never owned a record label and most entries in the category are simply artists that Farian worked with. That's just too loose an association. For instance, nobody in their right mind would view Stevie Wonder as a "Frank Farian artist" and Ralph Ruppert is not even an artist. Farian did form a number of well-know groups such as Milli Vanilli, Boney M. and Far Corporation so one option is to delete the current category and form a much narrower one such as :Category:Musical groups formed by Frank Farian. Pichpich (talk) 18:29, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom, which could have been expanded. a classic "by association" category. And it misuses "artists", which in category names should only be used by itself for visual arts artists. Johnbod (talk) 19:57, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Delete per above 'deletes'. We have :Category:Albums produced by Frank Farian, part of {{cl|Albums by producer}}, but not (as yet) 'bands by creator'. Occuli (talk) 20:09, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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==== Category:I-house architecture in the United States ====

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. :Category:I-houses will need to be nominated separately, as it wasn't tagged.--Mike Selinker (talk) 08:19, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:Propose merging :Category:I-house architecture in the United States to :Category:I-houses

:Nominator's rationale: According to its article, the I-house is an American phenomenon. As a result, the I-houses category is always going to be virtually empty; to navigate to articles about individual I-houses, one will always have to go an extra step down to the I-houses in the USA category, which is redundant. Nyttend (talk) 16:20, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

  • Keep – but upmerge the unnecessary :Category:I-houses to its 2 parents. Occuli (talk) 17:12, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Merge something - one too many layers, & the term is exclusively American. Johnbod (talk) 20:00, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Keep – but upmerge the unnecessary :Category:I-houses to its 2 parents per Occuli. This retains the most descriptive name, and one with matches the 'by state' subcats. Hmains (talk) 19:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

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== Category:Redirects to template from non-template namespace ==

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:The result of the discussion was: settle this fight elsewhere. The category is clearly not the subject of this argument. Figure out what you want the template(s) to do, and then when it's all sorted out or mediated, we'll consider what to do with the category.--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Redirects to template from non-template namespace}}

:Nominator's rationale: I nominated this category for deletion before, see here. Then I withdrew the nomination, because the category was at that time populated by Template:R from other template. Now that that template has been deleted following this discussion, I renominate this category for deletion.

  • Main reason for deletion is that there is absolutely no worth in, or reason for, tracking redirects to templates from non-template namespace.
  • In addition, it is so rare an occurrence, that even when this category was added to templates like {{Tl|R to warning template}}, {{Tl|R to userbox}} or the deleted {{Tl|R from other template}}, no occurrences showed up.
  • The deletion discussion of the deleted Template:R from other template clearly shows that :Category:Redirects from other templates, which was populated solely by that templates, was not deemed a useful category, and the more so this category. Debresser (talk) 14:47, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Keep
  • #This category was populated by {{tl|R to template}} until the nominator of this deletion discussion put a speedy deletion tag on it. The nominator claimed that the template was a recreation of {{tl|R from other template}}, which it was not, and the administrator who speedily deleted it has since agreed. The main purpose of {{tl|R from other template}} was to populate :Category:Redirects from other templates, which was used to track redirects within the template namespace. The consensus was that this was unnecessary so the category and template were deleted; however, the template's secondary function, populating :Category:Redirects to template from non-template namespace was never discussed. :Category:Redirects to template from non-template namespace tracks cross-namespace redirects to the template namespace. After {{tl|R from other template}} was deleted, the category has no corresponding template so I created {{tl|R to template}} to populate it. After it was incorrectly speedily deleted numerous times, the nominator also removed the functionality to populate this category from all other redirect templates for no apparent reason.
  • #Before {{tl|R to template}} was deleted, the category was not empty. It had one member but the nominator never allowed enough time for any more members to be added because of his continual removal of the necessary functionality from redirect templates.
  • #The deletion discussion for {{tl|R from other template}} was entirely unrelated to this category.
  • #The tracking of cross-namespace redirects is sometimes useful. McLerristarr | Mclay1 05:06, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment. I could be wrong, but it appears that the worth of these tracking cats are that they are all subcats of :Category:Cross-namespace redirects (count=2,659), which is populated by {{tl|R to other namespace}}, and there are many, many redirects in that category that could be reassigned to the subcats. This includes several redirects in the main namespace that begin with "T:" that redirect to template namespace. There are also many redirects from the main namespace that could be reassigned to {{tl|R to category}}, {{tl|R to portal}}, {{tl|R to help}} and {{tl|R to project}}. These Rcats respectively populate :Category:Redirects to category space, :Category:Redirects to portal space, :Category:Redirects to help namespace and :Category:Redirects to project space. And now for a confession. Until I found out the importance of using these templates and categories for CNRs, I added {{tl|R to template}} to many template redirects to other templates, and this was clear misuse of the {{tl|R to template}} Rcat. I think that I did that because the Rcats are actually a little vague, and it seems to me that Mclay1 is on the road to make these categories and their populating templates more clearly defined. If this tracking cat was created to take some of the weight from the parent cat, one finds in the parent cat that the usage is more common than one might think. If we delete this cat, then we might as well delete all of the other subcats and let the parent cat stand alone. OR perhaps we should keep this cat as it is named, and take a lesson that the other subcats be renamed in a similar manner. Then rename the populating Rcats, such as {{tl|R to portal}} could become {{tl|R to portal from non-portal namespace}}, and so forth. ({{tl|R to portal}} could stick around as a shortcut.) In this vein, if it is found that this cat should be kept, then a populating Rcat named {{tl|R to template from non-template namespace}} might be appropriate, and {{tl|R to template}} could be reinstated as a shortcut to it. These are just thoughts and ideas for consideration in this discussion. Thank you for reading!  — Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX )  14:28, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
  • {{tl|R to template}} used to be a redirect to {{tl|R from other template}}, which was for template to template redirects, so you were not misusing it. {{tl|R to portal}} etc. should not be renamed since they are not just for cross-namespace redirects because {{tl|R to portal}} categorises into :Category:Redirects to portals and :Category:Redirects to portal space. {{tl|R from other template}} (which I was about to propose to be renamed to {{tl|R to template}} before it was deleted) was edited to also categorise into two categories before it was deleted. I think :Category:Cross-namespace redirects is too large, which is why I'm trying to diffuse it. McLerristarr | Mclay1 15:46, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

:::Well, maybe I wasn't really misusing {{tl|R to template}}, but it probably was originally designed to populate a category that would hold all of the T:xx redirects that are now found in the parent category, :Category:Cross-namespace redirects. Now, Mclay1, you need to take a good look at the {{tl|R to portal}}, the {{tl|R to project}} and the others. They all populate SUB-CATEGORIES of the parent category, :Category:Cross-namespace redirects, and so, they are all ONLY supposed to be added to redirects that cross from the main ARTICLE NAMESPACE (or perhaps another namespace) into other namespaces. In that parent category are P:xx, H:xx, C:xx, and MOS:xx shortcut redirects that should eventually populate the sub-categories, along with T:xx shortcut redirects that need to be put in a template sub-category. These are all pseudo-namespaces and cross-namespace redirects, and so, the sub-categories that I mentioned before are their rightful "homes". So when you look more closely, the redirect-category templates {{tl|R to category}}, {{tl|R to portal}}, {{tl|R to help}} and {{tl|R to project}} are ONLY supposed to be added to cross-namespace redirects.  — Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX )  17:45, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

::::No, I'm right. Template:R to portal categories into :Category:Redirects to portals or :Category:Redirects to portal space. :Category:Redirects to portal space is a subcategory of :Category:Cross-namespace redirects but :Category:Redirects to portals is not. It's the same for all the others. :Category:Cross-namespace redirects isn't only for redirects from the main namespace anyway, it's for any cross-namespace redirects. McLerristarr | Mclay1 17:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

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== People from Georgia (country) by century ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 08:19, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:16th-century Georgian people to :Category:16th-century people from Georgia (country)

:Propose renaming :Category:17th-century Georgian people to :Category:17th-century people from Georgia (country)

:Propose renaming :Category:18th-century Georgian people to :Category:18th-century people from Georgia (country)

:Propose renaming :Category:19th-century Georgian people to :Category:19th-century people from Georgia (country)

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 March 10#Category:Georgian people and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 May 28#Category:Georgian culture, where other "Georgian" categories were renamed. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:59, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

  • Rename per nom. Occuli (talk) 13:12, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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== Northern Irish foo ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename all. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:42, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Propose renaming:

Rationalle: Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 March 2#Northern Irish xxx to xxx of Northern Ireland. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:38, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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== Category:Vandals ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Vandals of property. There's no consensus for a deletion. There's consensus to do something, so a rename is in order. No one seems certain as to what, so I picked something. Feel free to renominate if you have a better idea. --Mike Selinker (talk) 08:19, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Vandals}}

:Nominator's rationale: I'm actually not sure whether this category should be deleted or not. After removing five entries (Domain of Moor, Francesco Morosini, Mohammed Omar, Pope Theophilus of Alexandria, Zvi Mazel), the remaining entries seem to represent a rather diverse group of people who have destroyed something.   Cs32en Talk to me  05:59, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

::Why were they removed? // Liftarn (talk)

:::Yeah, why? Steinberger (talk) 16:49, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

:Delete, with no prejudge against creating a category to refer to the subject of the article Vandals. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:05, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

  • keep This has nothing to do with the tribe of vendals or its people, as the category makes clear, as do its parent category :Category:Vandalism and main article :Vandalism. This is a category for people who are notable for having destoyed/vandalized things--as their articles make clear. Hmains (talk) 06:37, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Delete. Far too POV. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:56, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment – it's not at all satisfactory to have {{cl|Vandals}} when we have the article Vandals (and its actual category {{cl|Vandals (tribe)}}). Occuli (talk) 10:50, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Maybe this needs to be debated separately but I also feel that :Category:Vandals (tribe) should be moved to :Category:Vandals. Pichpich (talk) 13:10, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
  • I would agree with this. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:13, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Rename to :Category:People who damaged artworks - Vandalism (usually accompanied in the British press by the word "mindless") is not really the appropriate term for these, but except for the Patriarch Cyril (why is he there) these people are only notable for this, and primary categories should always be preserved where possible. Zvi Mazel could then go back. in. Johnbod (talk) 20:05, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
  • I've removed St. Cyril, since there's nothing in the article about vandalism. The category was added in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=next&oldid=287683524 this edit], along with a quote from one of Edward Gibbon's "the Christians are barbarians" quotes. At some point since then, the quote was removed, but the category wasn't. Nyttend (talk) 22:24, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

::::Thanks! Hey ho, educated vandalism. Johnbod (talk) 02:20, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

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== Category:Georgian families ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to "of" form.--Mike Selinker (talk) 08:19, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Georgian families to :Category:Families of Georgia (country) or :Category:Families from Georgia (country)

:Propose renaming :Category:Georgian noble families to :Category:Noble families of Georgia (country) or :Category:Noble families from Georgia (country)

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 March 10#Category:Georgian people and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 May 28#Category:Georgian culture, where other "Georgian" categories were renamed. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:55, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

  • Rename per nom. Occuli (talk) 13:12, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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== Category:Black Widow albums ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 08:19, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Black Widow albums to :Category:Black Widow (band) albums

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. I suggest renaming to match Black Widow (band). Could potentially be confused with albums released by Black Widow Records (which was named after the band but has released albums not by the band named Black Widow). Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:47, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

  • Oppose but I don't really care. I agree that there's a risk of confusion but I think it's minimal and insufficient to warrant disambiguation. The record label is very marginal so it's unlikely that it would be a search term in the category namespace. I would bet against the level-specific cat ever being created and if it were, it would be under the name :Category:Black Widow Records albums. (per the convention at :Category:Albums by record label) Pichpich (talk) 05:09, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
  • "Oppose but I don't really care". That's a new one for me! ... As long as we're talking about conventions ... the related convention names albums by artists as "ARTIST albums", with ARTIST being the WP article name, which matches the proposal. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:31, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Is that last part true? I just searched WP for "(band)" and checked the first examples that come up in the search: +/- (band), Copyright (band), Franz Ferdinand (band), Poison (band), Sublime (band), Danzig (band), Traffic (band), CKY (band) and Toyah (band). With the exception of Copyright which has no albums category, the corresponding albums and songs categories don't carry the "(band)" disambiguation. On the other hand, searching "band albums" in the category namespace shows plenty of examples of "(band)" disambiguation. If it is the convention, I must say I don't understand its rationale: it goes against the "things should be easy to find" principle and I can't imagine a reader searching for :Category:Poison (band) albums. Pichpich (talk) 13:04, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

:::* Any such category brought to cfd in the last 2 or 3 years has been renamed in line with the band article. There are :Category:Franz Ferdinand (band) and {{cl|Sublime (band)}} and their subcats should follow the same format. Occuli (talk) 13:24, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

::::*Ok then, conventions are important. Striking the oppose. (But for the record, it's still an ill-advised convention) Pichpich (talk) 13:47, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

:::::*It does help to reduce confusion and (if it were universally implemented) it would make it more predictable where one will find an albums category for a particular band. (Of course, it's not universally implemented, which makes it very difficult to know where the album category will be when a band name is somewhat or a lot ambiguous.)Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:44, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

  • Rename to match the article Black Widow (band). There are dozens of cfds establishing this convention. Occuli (talk) 10:46, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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== Category:Oceaneering rides ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 08:19, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Oceaneering rides to :Category:Oceaneering International rides

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. The format for :Category:Amusement rides by manufacturer is "NAME-OF-MANUFACTURER rides", where "NAME-OF-MANUFACTURER" is the same as the WP article about the manufacturer. In this case, the manufacturer name is Oceaneering International. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:26, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

:*Support. Sorry I created this category. I just looked at an infobox and it was linking to Oceaneering and I created the category accordingly. Themeparkgc  Talk  23:56, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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== Category:HUSS rides ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 08:19, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:HUSS rides to :Category:HUSS Park Attractions rides

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. The format for :Category:Amusement rides by manufacturer is "NAME-OF-MANUFACTURER rides", where "NAME-OF-MANUFACTURER" is the same as the WP article about the manufacturer. In this case, the manufacturer name is HUSS Park Attractions. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:13, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

:*Support. Sorry I created this category. I just looked at an infobox and it was linking to HUSS and I created the category accordingly. Themeparkgc  Talk  23:56, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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== Category:Chinese nationalists ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to capitalize Nationalist.--Mike Selinker (talk) 08:19, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Chinese nationalists}}

:Nominator's rationale: There is no good objective way to define this category, and the member articles in this category and its subcategories (which I'm also nominating for deletion, below), show that — I'd have to say that all of the figures listed are arguably nationalist and arguably not nationalist. Further, there are many, many arguably nationalist figures that are not currently in the category which have the same issue: arguably nationalist and arguably nonnationalist, because there is no good objective standard. Without the good objective standards, any inclusion or noninclusion is going to be POV. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 02:11, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

:*Chinese Nationalists redirects to Kuomintang, and there already is :Category:Kuomintang. Unless there is a good rational for distinguishing Chinese Nationalists and Kuomintang (which would need to result in eliminating the redirect), I would support deletion.  Cs32en Talk to me  06:06, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

  • Comment This nomination is confused. The Kuomintang was the party of the 'Chinese Nationalists', which was the name for the people fighting for the Republic of China (as the 'Chinese Nationalist government') and then specifically for those fighting against the Chinese Communists and against the Japanese Empire. One cannot simply delete history; one could argue for better names or for merges. This takes analysis. Hmains (talk) 06:44, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't have as much quibbles if the category were "Chinese Nationalists" (note capitalization), but "nationalists" in the small letters do not denote KMT or the Nationalist Government (of all of its iterations in Guangzhou, Nanjing, Wuhan, and Chongqing). If it were, in fact, intended to denote KMT only, then it duplicates :Category:Members of the Kuomintang (which is a lot clearer as to what it includes). Right now, even assuming that it was intended to speak of the Nationalist government(s), it is going to be underpopulated due to its unclear nature. I still believe that deletion is the best solution, but even if not deleted, it should be renamed and refocused. --Nlu (talk) 19:17, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

:::Rename as Chines Nationalist [foo] ; I agree with the argument that with the capital it represents a specific government, rther than those Chinese who could be called nationalists in a more general sense, which is much broader. DGG ( talk ) 00:52, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

  • rename per DDG as these are people associated with the Chinese Nationalist government of China. Hmains (talk) 18:24, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

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== Category:Defunct architecture firms based in the United States ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 08:19, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Defunct architecture firms based in the United States to :Category:Defunct architecture firms of the United States

:Nominator's rationale: Rename to match both parent categories: :Category:Defunct companies of the United States by industry and :Category:Architecture firms of the United States. Pichpich (talk) 00:56, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

  • rename per nom the 'based in' phrase is for US state level categories, not US national categories. Hmains (talk) 18:33, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
  • agree, I believe I created this category as a national extension of one based in New York; I the name model had been Architecture firms based in new york, and I had merely added defunct in front. Given a choice, I prefer :Category:Defunct architecture firms of the United States instead of the more complicated based in phrase. ---James R (talk)

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