Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 6

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:British music awards templates. (non-admin closure) Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 10:39, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:BBC Radio 1 Awards templates to :Category:British music awards templates

:Nominator's rationale: The category contains a single template. As far as I can tell, the only other BBC Radio 1 award is BBC Radio 1's Teen Awards, which does not have a navbox. —⁠andrybak (talk) 22:22, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:00, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:42, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 17:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Television series without speech to :Category:Animated television series without speech

:Nominator's rationale: All the member articles are about animated series. – Fayenatic London 22:55, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per nom Currently we don't seem to have articles on live-action television series without speech, so the two catecories have an identical scope. Dimadick (talk) 17:16, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:47, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Now United songs}}

:Nominator's rationale: All articles within the category have been redirected to the band's discography page, making this category no longer useful. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 17:53, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:03, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nom.--Richhoncho (talk) 14:42, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nom.-- Just N. (talk) 18:23, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Lamas. (non-admin closure) Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 10:48, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Lamas by period to :Category:Lamas

:Nominator's rationale: only contains one sub-cat by century. – Fayenatic London 13:50, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

• Merge, redundant category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:23, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:52, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Barrackpore related topics to :Category:Barrackpore

:Nominator's rationale: I don't know why this category would not just be named after the city Barrackpore. The nominated category is already in categories for cities, so it seems to be acting as an eponymous city category. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 03:31, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

• Speedy Per WP:C2C, consistency with established category tree names. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:41, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
• Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
• Rename per nom. -- Just N. (talk) 18:26, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:46, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting/Listifying :Category:Order of Mubarak the Great

::* Propose Deleting/Listifying :Category:Collars of the Order of Mubarak the Great

::* Propose Deleting/Listifying :Category:Grand Cordons of the Order of Mubarak the Great

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT and WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)

:When foreign leaders or royalty visit Kuwait, or vice versa, one of these awards is given out as souvenir to commemorate the visit. Hassan II of Morocco, President Ilham Aliyev of Azerbaijan, President Bill Clinton of the U.S. and Salman of Saudi Arabia are not defined by this award. If you want to see the clutter these categories create at the article level, just look at the train wreck at the bottom of this article. The recipients are already listified here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:12, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

• Background In the past, we've deleted similar categories for visiting officials here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:12, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
• Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:20, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
• Delete That's 19 precedents. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:06, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
• Delete -- This is essentially Kuwait's diplomatic award to heads of state. These are non-defining and create category clutter. Main article seems to have a list, but I have not checked if if is complete. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:31, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
• Delete, by WP:OCAWARD. -- Just N. (talk) 18:27, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:45, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting :Category:Battle honours of the Sovereign's Bodyguard

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT and the spirit of WP:C1, an empty category

:A battle honour is an award to a military unit for a specific victory and the Sovereign's Bodyguard is a military unit that protects the English monarch. (So far, so good.) But the only article in this category is Sieges of Boulogne (1544–46) which neither mentions a battle honour nor the Sovereign's Bodyguard. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:12, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
• Delete -- This is conflating the battle honours of two military units, the first two listed in the main article Sovereign's Bodyguard, one of which has three battle honour and the other slightly more. I might have voted "populate", but this is in fact a PERFCAT. Allowing categorisation for every battle honour of every military unit would create appalling category clutter. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -- Just N. (talk) 18:28, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Geological techniques. – Fayenatic London 23:00, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Geological surveying to :Category:Geological surveys

:Nominator's rationale: redlink main article; few category members. fgnievinski (talk) 00:05, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Reverse merge, none of the articles in :Category:Geological surveys is about an actual survey. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

:* You're right; furthermore, members are all organizations, so maybe rename to :category:Geological survey organizations instead? fgnievinski (talk) 07:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

::* Right, that may well be a follow-up nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose -- On first sight these are the same, but they are not. The target is organisations, probably set up to be cognate with British Geological Survey, which no doubt began as a branch of Ordnance Survey, originally the survey branch of the Board of Ordnance, a supply organisation for the British army. However its main article is actually about geological surveying methods and should be the main article of the subject category. I think the answer is to leave the categories alone and rename the article Geological survey to Geological surveying. Unfortunately, this leaves us with a small category. Is there scope to populate with other geological surveying methods? Peterkingiron (talk) 19:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

:* {{ping|Peterkingiron}} what is your opinion about the alternative reversed merge, per discussion above? Marcocapelle (talk) 23:29, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Maintain objection -- I still maintain there is a distinction between national organisations mapping geology (usually state agencies) and the methods used. If anything, the current subject is more akin to :Category:Mineral exploitation, currently a subcategory that might usefully be selectively merged to the the subject. Part of the complaint seems to be lack of a main article but see: geology#Methods of geology. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:25, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• I have struck my reverse merge vote because (contrary to what I thought initially) it interferes with User:Fgnievinski's more useful alternative to have the target renamed. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:51, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
• {{ping|Peterkingiron}} How about merging this small into :Category:Geological techniques instead? fgnievinski (talk) 15:33, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Merge to :Category:Geological techniques per previous comment by Fgnievinski. Note that the content of the category completely changed since the start of the discussion. The current content is about techniques. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
• Support last suggestion. This meets my objection. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete; contents dispersed among :Category:Sherlock Holmes television series and :Category:Works based on Sherlock Holmes. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:10, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Sherlock Holmes in television to :Category:Television based on Sherlock Holmes

:Nominator's rationale: More consistent with parent category :Category:Works based on Sherlock Holmes. If category is intended to be specifically about works in which Holmes appears, then the recent addition of "Elementary, Dear Data" is inappropriate. Though we may want to consider whether :Category:Male characters in television is an appropriate parent category. DonIago (talk) 04:08, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Grutness...wha? 23:32, 23 September 2020 (UTC) see below... Grutness...wha? 03:56, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment There is no scheme for "Television based on". There is :Category:Television shows based on works and :Category:Television series based on works. Would this result in a new scheme? Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 00:42, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. The category contains one show (too little for a separate subcategory) and three episodes. For now, they can be merged to :Category:Works based on Sherlock Holmes. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:41, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
• Are you proposing an upmerge instead of a rename, then? Just want to make sure I understood your response. Thanks! DonIago (talk) 16:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
• Yes that is what I meant. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Actually, there's one series and a category for series. Perhaps a renaming/re-scoping of the subcat to {{cl|Television series based on Sherlock Holmes}} would solve some of the problems? Grutness...wha? 03:56, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• That would seem to be a scope change for the category (individual episodes would be disqualified), but I'm okay with it if others are. DonIago (talk) 04:13, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• The disqualified episodes should be added to :Category:Works based on Sherlock Holmes. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:08, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• So rename as per Grutness and merge the items that no longer qualify up to Works...? That would work for me. DonIago (talk) 13:10, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Should :Category:Sherlock Holmes television series then be merged to :Category:Television series based on Sherlock Holmes? Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 22:43, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• You mean renamed? DonIago (talk) 00:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

• Delete most of what's here are tv shows and episodes. The one outlier is the Star Trek one, but so many shows are based on something that went before (most people have common referents in Shakespeare, Classical mythology, the Bible, and such) but to say using those to effect is defining is a big stretch. I seem to recall that another Star Trek (TOG) episode referenced Shakespeare; a few referenced Greek mythology; etc. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:20, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
• Delete... articles should either be in the child, :Category:Sherlock Holmes television series, or the parent, :Category:Works based on Sherlock Holmes. ~EdGl talk 04:33, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Note that the previous comment implies merging rather than deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:32, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

• Rename to :Category:Television shows based on Sherlock Holmes. The category currently contains 3 episodes, 1 one-off drama and 1 series, which is sufficient for not merging it. IMHO, "television shows" (formerly known as programs/programmes) covers episodes, one-offs and series. (Please ping me if I have missed any consensus that "shows" now means "series".) – Fayenatic London 17:03, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
• Delete... articles should either be in the child, :Category:Sherlock Holmes television series, or the parent, :Category:Works based on Sherlock Holmes. -- Just N. (talk) 18:33, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
• Delete and merge up the handful of individual episode mentions to :Category:Works based on Sherlock Holmes. BD2412 T 22:38, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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