Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 September 10

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 16:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Pages using Timeline to :Category:Pages using the EasyTimeline extension

:Nominator's rationale: By analogy with :Category:Pages using the Graph extension and :Category:Pages using the Kartographer extension, especially since it's unclear what "Timeline" means without context. Note: To implement this proposal, edit MediaWiki:Timeline-tracking-category * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:12, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 14:46, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:42, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|ASCA songs}}

:Nominator's rationale: Likely WP:SMALLCAT – SD0001 (talk) 17:06, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• Keep - part of :Category:Songs by artist. Oculi (talk) 20:48, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
• Keep, with proviso. It appears that the artist is ASCA, but the article name is Asuka Ōkura, so perhaps the article name should be agreed first, rather than the category? IOW, Keep but what name? --Richhoncho (talk) 22:41, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
• withdraw I didn't see the clause in WP:SMALLCAT that said subcats of :Category:Works by creator are exempt. – SD0001 (talk) 11:09, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:04, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|2020s Chilean police procedural television series}}

:Nominator's rationale: Too specific. For Chilean television shows, no by-decade by-genre categorisation exists for other decades. See for example :Category:2010s Chilean television series – SD0001 (talk) 17:01, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:03, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|2020s Chilean mystery television series}}

:Nominator's rationale: Too specific. For Chilean television shows, no by-decade by-genre categorisation exists for other decades. See for example :Category:2010s Chilean television series – SD0001 (talk) 17:01, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:03, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|2020s Chilean crime drama television series}}

:Nominator's rationale: Too specific. For Chilean television shows, no by-decade by-genre categorisation exists for other decades. See for example :Category:2010s Chilean television series – SD0001 (talk) 16:59, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:03, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Survivors of the battle of Isandlwana}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING, we don't categorize survivors by battle. Naturally, nearly all battles have some survivors from both sides. Brandmeister^talk 11:36, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• We do have :Category:Alamo survivors, but those folks are mostly notable for being survivors of that battle. Not sure of the folks here categorized. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 05:44, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, the Zulu articles are already in :Category:People of the Anglo-Zulu War; the British articles are already in :Category:British Army personnel of the Anglo-Zulu War. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep; rename to :Category:Israeli–Palestinian conflict and the United Nations. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 22:52, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Israel, Palestine, and the United Nations}}

:Nominator's rationale: The category is a parent for both :category:Israel and the United Nations and :category:Palestine and the United Nations, for which we also have parallel articles Israel and the United Nations and Palestine and the United Nations, while Israel, Palestine and the United Nations is just a list page; all relevant pages already largely categorized under :category:Israel and the United Nations or :category:Palestine and the United Nations or both. It seems a simple doublicity case, as we do not have another example of such parenting category (no :category:Cyprus, Turkey and the United Nations for instance). GreyShark (dibra) 11:24, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• Keep as a special case that is very relevant under the circumstances of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Certainly do not plainly delete, if not kept the category should be merged to its three parent categories. It may be renamed to :Category:Israeli–Palestinian conflict and the United Nations or vice versa. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
• Delete there are multiple aspects to every international conflict (hot or cold) to create categories for each is overkill. :Category:Spain, Portugal, and the Papacy; :Category:England, Spain, and the Papacy, :Category:England, Ireland, and the United States, :Category:Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Russia, etc. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 05:48, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
• Rename and purge - This has a lot of articles on UN resolutions and the like, which do not appear to be elsewhere in the tree. :Category:United nations actions concerning Israeli–Palestinian conflict might fit the bill. The articles concerning individual UN representatives, De Bunsen Committee, and a few more that are not related to actions of UNO corporately or its agencies need to be purged, sometimes into the wider :Category:Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Despite the apparent overlap with the two national categories, there is plenty here to make a worthwhile category. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:28, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
• Keep Almost all UN resolutions relating to Israel also relate to Palestine, and vice versa. It's better to have one category for all these articles, than require double categories every time. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:59, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
• Rename to :Category:Israeli–Palestinian conflict and the United Nations or similar. An alternate name could use Israeli-Arab conflict, which is wider. While a triple relation is not a good basis for a category, the dual relation between the UN and a specific conflict has potential. This principle may also be extended to other international conflicts that have been the focus of sufficient UN activity to justify a category, e.g. perhaps the Indo-Pakistani conflict or the Yugoslav Wars. Place Clichy (talk) 14:08, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
• Alt Rename to :Category:Israeli–Palestinian conflict and the United Nations or similar. There is a topic here that readers are likely to want to navigate through but the current name is unclear. RevelationDirect (talk) 21:56, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 10:44, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:West Coast Range (Tasmania) to :Category:West Coast Range

:Nominator's rationale: The main article is at West Coast Range. There is no other usage in Wikipedia that I am aware of. There is no West Coast Range (disambiguation). Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 03:20, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

:creators limp response there are west coasts in the US and New Zealand that do have very similar sounding naming of things on their coasts, and at the time of creation it seemed de riguer to create qualifiers. so it goes. JarrahTree 03:29, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

::As a New Zealander, I'd say that "West Coast Range" wouldn't be a standard way of talking about the South Island's ranges - and there certainly isn't one range called the West Coast Range. So no dab is needed on our part. Grutness...wha? 03:39, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• Rename since the disambiguation does not seem to be necessary. bibliomaniac15 05:47, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Split Timrollpickering (talk) 13:45, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Cartoon Network Studios series and characters to :Category:Cartoon Network Studios series and :Category:Cartoon Network Studios characters

:Nominator's rationale: Two things that are only semi-related. There is a decent amount of character articles now so that should not be a problem. (Oinkers42) (talk) 00:55, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• Split Category for two unrelated types of subjects. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:12, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
• Split These should be part of different category trees. Dimadick (talk) 08:31, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge/delete Timrollpickering (talk) 10:43, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

:Propose deleting:

:* :Category:Years in Mogadishu

:Propose merging:

:* :Category:2015 in Mogadishu to :Category:2010s in Mogadishu and :Category:2015 in Somalia

:* :Category:2016 in Mogadishu to :Category:2010s in Mogadishu and :Category:2016 in Somalia

:* :Category:2017 in Mogadishu to :Category:2010s in Mogadishu and :Category:2017 in Somalia

:* :Category:2018 in Mogadishu to :Category:2010s in Mogadishu and :Category:2018 in Somalia

:* :Category:2019 in Mogadishu to :Category:2010s in Mogadishu and :Category:2019 in Somalia

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. :Category:2010s in Mogadishu+subcats contains only 19 articles in all. Readers are better served by keeping them together in one category, rather than chopping them up into fragments.

:Most cities just have by-decade categories. Compare the large number of city categories in the by-continent sub-categories of :Category:Decades by city with the sparse set in :Category:Years by city.

:Per WP:SMALLCAT, small categories are a nuisance to navigate. Chronology categories are most useful when part of an established series. So we don't split up decade categories unless we have enough articles in the set to make the by-year categories more of a meal than a crumb. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:51, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per nom, per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
• Merge Per nom. ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 15:02, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
• Merge all per nom. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:11, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 16:32, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Wikipedia guidelines for templates to :Category:Wikipedia template guidelines

:Nominator's rationale: To obey the naming structure of parent category tree (see subcats of :Category:Wikipedia guidelines) and hopefully also prevent miscategorisation of non-guidelines into here (I've just removed a couple) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 00:40, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. —⁠andrybak (talk) 10:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge/delete Timrollpickering (talk) 10:42, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

:Propose deleting:

:* :Category:Years in Montreal

:Propose merging:

:* :Category:1950 in Montreal to :Category:1950s in Montreal and :Category:1950 in Quebec

{{collapse top|69 more "YYYY in Montreal" categories}}

:* :Category:1951 in Montreal to :Category:1950s in Montreal and :Category:1951 in Quebec

:* :Category:1952 in Montreal to :Category:1950s in Montreal and :Category:1952 in Quebec

:* :Category:1953 in Montreal to :Category:1950s in Montreal and :Category:1953 in Quebec

:* :Category:1954 in Montreal to :Category:1950s in Montreal and :Category:1954 in Quebec

:* :Category:1955 in Montreal to :Category:1950s in Montreal and :Category:1955 in Quebec

:* :Category:1956 in Montreal to :Category:1950s in Montreal and :Category:1956 in Quebec

:* :Category:1957 in Montreal to :Category:1950s in Montreal and :Category:1957 in Quebec

:* :Category:1958 in Montreal to :Category:1950s in Montreal and :Category:1958 in Quebec

:* :Category:1959 in Montreal to :Category:1950s in Montreal and :Category:1959 in Quebec

:* :Category:1960 in Montreal to :Category:1960s in Montreal and :Category:1960 in Quebec

:* :Category:1961 in Montreal to :Category:1960s in Montreal and :Category:1961 in Quebec

:* :Category:1962 in Montreal to :Category:1960s in Montreal and :Category:1962 in Quebec

:* :Category:1963 in Montreal to :Category:1960s in Montreal and :Category:1963 in Quebec

:* :Category:1964 in Montreal to :Category:1960s in Montreal and :Category:1964 in Quebec

:* :Category:1965 in Montreal to :Category:1960s in Montreal and :Category:1965 in Quebec

:* :Category:1966 in Montreal to :Category:1960s in Montreal and :Category:1966 in Quebec

:* :Category:1967 in Montreal to :Category:1960s in Montreal and :Category:1967 in Quebec

:* :Category:1968 in Montreal to :Category:1960s in Montreal and :Category:1968 in Quebec

:* :Category:1969 in Montreal to :Category:1960s in Montreal and :Category:1969 in Quebec

:* :Category:1970 in Montreal to :Category:1970s in Montreal and :Category:1970 in Quebec

:* :Category:1971 in Montreal to :Category:1970s in Montreal and :Category:1971 in Quebec

:* :Category:1972 in Montreal to :Category:1970s in Montreal and :Category:1972 in Quebec

:* :Category:1973 in Montreal to :Category:1970s in Montreal and :Category:1973 in Quebec

:* :Category:1974 in Montreal to :Category:1970s in Montreal and :Category:1974 in Quebec

:* :Category:1975 in Montreal to :Category:1970s in Montreal and :Category:1975 in Quebec

:* :Category:1976 in Montreal to :Category:1970s in Montreal and :Category:1976 in Quebec

:* :Category:1977 in Montreal to :Category:1970s in Montreal and :Category:1977 in Quebec

:* :Category:1978 in Montreal to :Category:1970s in Montreal and :Category:1978 in Quebec

:* :Category:1979 in Montreal to :Category:1970s in Montreal and :Category:1979 in Quebec

:* :Category:1980 in Montreal to :Category:1980s in Montreal and :Category:1980 in Quebec

:* :Category:1981 in Montreal to :Category:1980s in Montreal and :Category:1981 in Quebec

:* :Category:1982 in Montreal to :Category:1980s in Montreal and :Category:1982 in Quebec

:* :Category:1983 in Montreal to :Category:1980s in Montreal and :Category:1983 in Quebec

:* :Category:1984 in Montreal to :Category:1980s in Montreal and :Category:1984 in Quebec

:* :Category:1985 in Montreal to :Category:1980s in Montreal and :Category:1985 in Quebec

:* :Category:1986 in Montreal to :Category:1980s in Montreal and :Category:1986 in Quebec

:* :Category:1987 in Montreal to :Category:1980s in Montreal and :Category:1987 in Quebec

:* :Category:1988 in Montreal to :Category:1980s in Montreal and :Category:1988 in Quebec

:* :Category:1989 in Montreal to :Category:1980s in Montreal and :Category:1989 in Quebec

:* :Category:1990 in Montreal to :Category:1990s in Montreal and :Category:1990 in Quebec

:* :Category:1991 in Montreal to :Category:1990s in Montreal and :Category:1991 in Quebec

:* :Category:1992 in Montreal to :Category:1990s in Montreal and :Category:1992 in Quebec

:* :Category:1993 in Montreal to :Category:1990s in Montreal and :Category:1993 in Quebec

:* :Category:1994 in Montreal to :Category:1990s in Montreal and :Category:1994 in Quebec

:* :Category:1995 in Montreal to :Category:1990s in Montreal and :Category:1995 in Quebec

:* :Category:1996 in Montreal to :Category:1990s in Montreal and :Category:1996 in Quebec

:* :Category:1997 in Montreal to :Category:1990s in Montreal and :Category:1997 in Quebec

:* :Category:1998 in Montreal to :Category:1990s in Montreal and :Category:1998 in Quebec

:* :Category:1999 in Montreal to :Category:1990s in Montreal and :Category:1999 in Quebec

:* :Category:2000 in Montreal to :Category:2000s in Montreal and :Category:2000 in Quebec

:* :Category:2001 in Montreal to :Category:2000s in Montreal and :Category:2001 in Quebec

:* :Category:2002 in Montreal to :Category:2000s in Montreal and :Category:2002 in Quebec

:* :Category:2003 in Montreal to :Category:2000s in Montreal and :Category:2003 in Quebec

:* :Category:2004 in Montreal to :Category:2000s in Montreal and :Category:2004 in Quebec

:* :Category:2005 in Montreal to :Category:2000s in Montreal and :Category:2005 in Quebec

:* :Category:2006 in Montreal to :Category:2000s in Montreal and :Category:2006 in Quebec

:* :Category:2007 in Montreal to :Category:2000s in Montreal and :Category:2007 in Quebec

:* :Category:2008 in Montreal to :Category:2000s in Montreal and :Category:2008 in Quebec

:* :Category:2009 in Montreal to :Category:2000s in Montreal and :Category:2009 in Quebec

:* :Category:2010 in Montreal to :Category:2010s in Montreal and :Category:2010 in Quebec

:* :Category:2011 in Montreal to :Category:2010s in Montreal and :Category:2011 in Quebec

:* :Category:2012 in Montreal to :Category:2010s in Montreal and :Category:2012 in Quebec

:* :Category:2013 in Montreal to :Category:2010s in Montreal and :Category:2013 in Quebec

:* :Category:2014 in Montreal to :Category:2010s in Montreal and :Category:2014 in Quebec

:* :Category:2015 in Montreal to :Category:2010s in Montreal and :Category:2015 in Quebec

:* :Category:2016 in Montreal to :Category:2010s in Montreal and :Category:2016 in Quebec

:* :Category:2017 in Montreal to :Category:2010s in Montreal and :Category:2017 in Quebec

:* :Category:2018 in Montreal to :Category:2010s in Montreal and :Category:2018 in Quebec

:* :Category:2019 in Montreal to :Category:2010s in Montreal and :Category:2019 in Quebec

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:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. These 70 by-year categories for the Canadian city of Montreal contain only 189 articles in total, i.e. an average of 2.7 pages per category. Only 11 of them has more than 4 pages, and there is no clustering in recent years: only 4 of the 21 year-in-21st-century categories exceeds 4 pages.

:Most cities just have by-decade categories. Compare the large number of city categories in the by-continent sub-categories of :Category:Decades by city with the sparse set in :Category:Years by city.

:Per WP:SMALLCAT, small categories are a nuisance to navigate. Chronology categories are most useful when part of an established series. So we don't split up decade categories unless we have enough articles in the set to make the by-year categories more of a meal than a crumb. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:24, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per nom, per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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