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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Templates for railway lines of Germany. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:56, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Templates for railway lines of Germany to :Category:Germany railway line templates

:Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories. Merge the newer category into the older one. —⁠andrybak (talk) 20:02, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

• Reverse merge, keep same format as sibling categories in :Category:Rail routemap templates by country. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
• :What a mess... Fine, I support reverse merge for now. I'll get to subcats of :Category:Rail routemap templates by country some day. —⁠andrybak (talk) 16:15, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
• Reverse merge per Marcocapelle, and rename :Category:Belgium railway line templates, :Category:Bulgaria railway line templates, and :Category:Japan railway line templates accordingly. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:34, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:43, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

{{anchor|Category:Samoa Wikipedians|Category:Samoan Wikipedians|Category:American Samoan Wikipedians}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Samoa Wikipedians}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Samoan Wikipedians}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|American Samoa Wikipedians}}

: Nominator's rationale: None of these categories contain any actual users. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:04, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Kerala Wikipedians. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:45, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Keralite Wikipedians to :Category:Kerala Wikipedians

:Nominator's rationale: I cannot see a distinction between this 2019 creation and the correctly-named category that has existed since 2006. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:52, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

• Merge or reverse merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Haryana Wikipedians. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:44, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Haryanvi Wikipedians to :Category:Haryana Wikipedians

:Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories. "Haryana foo" seems to be the standard term used in categories. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:47, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

• Merge or reverse merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Brunei Wikipedians. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:46, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Bruneian Wikipedians to :Category:Brunei Wikipedians

:Nominator's rationale: Obvious duplicates. "Brunei foo" seems to be the common term used in categories. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:36, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

• Merge or reverse merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

: Reverse merge - nathanielcwm (talk) 15:43, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:55, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Barese Wikipedians}}

:Nominator's rationale: Not a useful user category given the lack of an article on Barese or Barese people. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:30, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

• Merge to :Category:Italian Wikipedians. Barese is from Bari. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Delete after all, the only user in the category appears to live in the United States. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:56, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:History of Kabardino-Balkaria. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:53, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Karachay-Balkar aristocracy to :Category:Turkic people and :Category:North Caucasus

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:13, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:15, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
• Alt merge to {{cl|History of Kabardino-Balkaria}}, which is more precise. Lone article Urusbiy explicitly refers to {{tq|the mountain princes of the Balkaria}}, so no reason to populate loose wider Turkic and North Caucasus categories. {{Re|Marcocapelle|Nederlandse Leeuw}} ping for opinion. Place Clichy (talk) 11:32, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
• Alt merge to {{cl|History of Kabardino-Balkaria}} per Place Clichy. Well said. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:55, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
• Yes, merging to :Category:History of Kabardino-Balkaria is the better solution. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:14, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Turkic people and :Category:Lists of people by ethnicity. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:53, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Lists of Turkic people to :Category:Turkic people and :Category:Lists of people by ethnicity

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:44, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:11, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 11:32, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:52, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Turkic Activists}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:40, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:12, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 11:32, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:49, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Medieval Turkic astronomers}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:38, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:12, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 11:32, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:37, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Wars involving the Kingdom of Rome to :Category:Wars involving the Roman Kingdom

:* Propose renaming :Category:Government of the Kingdom of Rome to :Category:Government of the Roman Kingdom

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles involving the Kingdom of Rome to :Category:Battles involving the Roman Kingdom

:Nominator's rationale: Standard form. Roman Kingdom doesn't even use "Kingdom of Rome" anywhere on the page, and Google results for the latter just turn up pages titled with the former. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 15:18, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

• Comment I will not oppose but personally I think that the current name has greater precision than the target. How is it standard? Do we commonly say the "French Kingdom" or the "Spanish Kingdom"? Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:33, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
• Rename per nom (who invokes WP:C2D) and WP:C2C: parent is :Category:Roman Kingdom, siblings are :Category:People of the Roman Kingdom, :Category:8th century BC in the Roman Kingdom, :Category:7th century BC in the Roman Kingdom, :Category:6th century BC in the Roman Kingdom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:37, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
• :PS: I should add that "Roman Kingdom" is the WP:COMMONNAME in historiography. Some states just have a certain conventional name, such as Roman Empire rather than Empire of Rome, Roman Republic rather than Republic of Rome, German Empire rather than Empire of Germany etc. With former states such as Florentine Republic/Republic of Florence and Venetian Republic/Republic of Venice it's a closer contest (although in English the "Republic of" formulation is more common). With "Roman Kingdom", it's not even close. Almost nobody says or writes "Kingdom of Rome". Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:39, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
• Rename unless the article is renamed the other way around by WP:RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:47, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
• :That RM is 6 years old. It was never closed and archived. (Done.)
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:03, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
• Rename per nom. To match the main article. Dimadick (talk) 16:59, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
• Comment :Category:Battles involving the Kingdom of Rome and :Category:Wars involving the Kingdom of Rome are currently WP:SMALLCATs but can be populated with items mentioned in List of Roman wars and battles up to 509 BCE. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:22, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
• :In an effort to better distinguish it from List of Roman civil wars and revolts, I've renamed List of Roman wars and battles to List of Roman external wars and battles, and merged some content from 'external' to 'civil'. Much of these lists are full of unsourced or poorly sourced OR/SYNTH, so anyone who feels like fixing stuff and adding sources is invited to take a look. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 02:50, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
• Rename. I was going to say that it's not that urgent for the category titles to match the main article, and that the present titles look fine. But on further reflection, "Kingdom of Rome" sounds more like a medieval/post-medieval entity (following the downfall of the Roman monarchy, the Romans came to hate the concept of kingship with such a passion that even the emperors carefully avoided any mention of kingship, and the traditional symbols of the Roman kings). So it's probably better to change it. P Aculeius (talk) 11:05, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
• :Glad we agree here. :) Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:19, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
• Comment On a somewhat related note, there is an AfD going on at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roman–Gallic wars, which I began as a result of looking over more Roman military history due to this CfR. Some of you might want to take a look and participate. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:22, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. (non-admin closure) William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:09, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Institute of Buddhist Studies alumni}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT for just one person. As always, every educational institution does not automatically get one of these the moment there's one alumnus with an article to file in it -- there have to be at least five or six alumni with articles before a category for them is warranted, and it aids navigation not a whit to have minicategories of one. A check of the institution's "what links here", further, reveals nobody else who could be added here to increase the category's population -- there are a fair number of people whose articles describe them as faculty of, or lecturers at, or subjects of sourcing published by, the institution, but not even one other article describes its subject as an alumnus. Bearcat (talk) 13:35, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:26, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Upmerge to :Category:Graduate Theological Union alumni since the Institute of Buddhist Studies is a member of that consortium per both articles. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 15:56, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

::* Nice catch, support that instead. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:51, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:48, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Hipster neighborhoods}}

:Nominator's rationale: This is a highly subjective and oftentimes derogatory description which is unencyclopedic. Neighborhoods change character and this description is deeply presentist. User:Namiba 12:25, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:27, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Comment: By my count, just 8 out of 38 entries in this category use the word at least once aside from the category name itself. None of those appear to be using it derogatorily, and most are source-based so I'm not sure the subjectivity argument applies without countersourcing. Not quite sure what to do about the presentism issue though, but I'm also not entirely clear if it is an issue. Could it be resolved by renaming the category to more strongly imply temporality? I could see an argument for dumping most of the category as unsourced and keeping seven of those eight (Echo Park only uses the term in a description of a song, not the neighborhood itself). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 15:40, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

:*:Went ahead and did the purge myself. The cat is now down to eight entries (I guess I miscounted above) which all explicitly call the neighborhoods hipster in prose. I would be willing to support a rename if it's seen as necessary, but I'm not convinced just yet that this needs deleting. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 15:51, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete, subjective and hard to define. Suonii180 (talk) 15:50, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:14, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:16, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|British Academy Games Awards winners}}

:Nominator's rationale: Functionally a duplicate of :Category:BAFTA winners (video games)‎ (which is one of the two subcategories). The other subcategory, :Category:BAFTA winners (people)‎‎, is not a video game subcategory. ReneeWrites (talk) 12:05, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete, but move :Category:BAFTA winners (video games) to :Category:British Academy of Film and Television Arts winners. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:34, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
• :{{checkmark}} Done. ReneeWrites (talk) 19:24, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Category has been emptied by nominator. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:29, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Homeopaths. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:36, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Finnish homeopaths to :Category:Homeopaths

:* Propose merging :Category:Hungarian homeopaths to :Category:Homeopaths

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 12:58, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose SMALLCAT says {{tq|...unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme, such as subdividing songs in Category:Songs by artist or flags in Category:Flags by country.}} Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 19:42, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
• Merge, it is a very thin sub-categorization scheme with only 17 country subcats and several others may be merged too. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:24, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
• withdrawn Oppose. There are too many well populated by nationality. Instead, I'll try to assign all the :Category:Homeopaths to the proper subcategory. {{done}}
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
• Delete :Category:Homeopaths as empty. Most were American or British. 1 Polish, 1 Spanish, 1 without reference.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:49, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
• Keep all - {{cl|Homeopaths}} is the (necessary) parent for the subcat scheme {{cl|Homeopaths by nationality}} and is not empty. Or keep {{cl|Homeopaths}} and upmerge the small subcats per nom, which is the customary procedure. Oculi (talk) 16:58, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
• Agree in principle with User:William Allen Simpson but it is :Category:Homeopaths by nationality that should be nominated for upmerge to :Category:Homeopaths. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:15, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose as part of an accepted sub-categorisation scheme.--User:Namiba 17:40, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
• Merge for Now One editor creating a bunch of 1-article subcategories on two days in December 2017‎ is not part of "a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme". (No objection to recreation if they ever get to 5+ articles though.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:52, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Exactly, there are only four siblings with 5 articles or more. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

• Merge as nominated. After dispersing, it is now clear that very few people are actually defined as homeopaths. Merge all the smallcat, and eventually upmerge the few remaining :Category:Homeopaths by nationality subcategories per Oculi, RevelationDirect, and Marcocapelle.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:21, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete first, merge second to :Category:Works set in the 1st century BC (non-admin closure) Nagsb (talk) 07:39, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Paintings by century of setting}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Paintings set in the 1st century BC}}

:Nominator's rationale: Underused category tree containing only one subcategory. There is a large redundancy between :Category:Works by period of setting and :Category:Historical fiction by period of setting, and eliminating this category tree will help to merge the two trees. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:43, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support first by lack of content. With respect to the second category, if not kept it should be merged to :Category:Works set in the 1st century BC. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:42, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
• Support first, merge second to :Category:Works set in the 1st century BC — per Marcocapelle.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:33, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
• Support first, merge second per above. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 11:12, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge and Delete. (non-admin closure) William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:19, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Films set in 2104 to :Category:Films set in the 2100s

:* Propose deleting :Category:Fiction set in 2104

:* Propose deleting :Category:2104

:Nominator's rationale: This is the only year-level category for works of fiction set in the 22nd century or later, and it contains only Alien: Covenant. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:30, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support Far too overspecific and arbitrary a year. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:49, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:43, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 15:25, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
• Support Only one article in the category, and little scope for expansion. Dimadick (talk) 17:04, 2 April 2023 (UTC)~
• Support incredibly niche. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:14, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

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