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:The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. {{nac}} –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:01, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Years of the 17th century in Austria

:* Propose deleting :Category:1611 in Austria

:* Propose merging :Category:1611 establishments in Austria to :Category:17th-century establishments in Austria and :Category:1611 establishments in the Habsburg monarchy

:* Propose deleting :Category:1614 in Austria

:* Propose merging :Category:1614 establishments in Austria to :Category:17th-century establishments in Austria and :Category:1614 establishments in the Habsburg monarchy

:* Propose deleting :Category:1618 in Austria

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:* Propose deleting :Category:1619 in Austria

:* Propose merging :Category:1619 establishments in Austria to :Category:17th-century establishments in Austria and :Category:1619 establishments in the Habsburg monarchy

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:* Propose deleting :Category:1622 in Austria

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:* Propose deleting :Category:1625 in Austria

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:* Propose merging :Category:1626 in Austria to :Category:17th century in Austria and :Category:1626 in the Habsburg monarchy

:* Propose deleting :Category:1627 in Austria

:* Propose merging :Category:1627 establishments in Austria to :Category:17th-century establishments in Austria and :Category:1627 establishments in the Habsburg monarchy

:* Propose deleting :Category:1628 in Austria

:* Propose merging :Category:1628 establishments in Austria to :Category:17th-century establishments in Austria and :Category:1628 establishments in the Habsburg monarchy

:* Propose deleting :Category:1630 in Austria

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:* Propose deleting :Category:1632 in Austria

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:* Propose deleting :Category:1633 in Austria

:* Propose merging :Category:1633 establishments in Austria to :Category:17th-century establishments in Austria and :Category:1633 establishments in the Habsburg monarchy

:* Propose deleting :Category:1634 in Austria

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:* Propose deleting :Category:1642 in Austria

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:* Propose deleting :Category:1643 in Austria

:* Propose merging :Category:1643 establishments in Austria to :Category:17th-century establishments in Austria and :Category:1643 establishments in the Habsburg monarchy

:* Propose deleting :Category:1646 in Austria

:* Propose merging :Category:1646 establishments in Austria to :Category:17th-century establishments in Austria and :Category:1646 establishments in the Habsburg monarchy

:* Propose deleting :Category:1648 in Austria

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:* Propose deleting :Category:1670 in Austria

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:* Propose merging :Category:1683 establishments in Austria to :Category:17th-century establishments in Austria and :Category:1683 establishments in the Habsburg monarchy

:* Propose deleting :Category:1687 in Austria

:* Propose merging :Category:1687 establishments in Austria to :Category:17th-century establishments in Austria and :Category:1687 establishments in the Habsburg monarchy

:* Propose deleting :Category:1689 in Austria

:* Propose merging :Category:1689 establishments in Austria to :Category:17th-century establishments in Austria and :Category:1689 establishments in the Habsburg monarchy

:* Propose deleting :Category:1692 in Austria

:* Propose merging :Category:1692 establishments in Austria to :Category:17th-century establishments in Austria and :Category:1692 establishments in the Habsburg monarchy

:* Propose deleting :Category:1693 in Austria

:* Propose merging :Category:1693 establishments in Austria to :Category:17th-century establishments in Austria and :Category:1693 establishments in the Habsburg monarchy

:* Propose deleting :Category:1697 in Austria

:* Propose merging :Category:1697 establishments in Austria to :Category:17th-century establishments in Austria and :Category:1697 establishments in the Habsburg monarchy

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:Nominator's rationale: merge/delete, the tree consists almost only of 1 or 2-article categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:07, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support Per WP:SMALLCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:02, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:31, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:38, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. Main article was moved, so moving the category is currently moot. (non-admin closure) ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:40, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Horror games to :Category:Horror fiction by medium

:* Propose renaming :Category:Horror video games to :Category:Horror games

:Nominator's rationale: Overlaps with the genre of horror games, as evidenced by horror game. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:18, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The article horror game should be moved to horror video game, there are many horror games that are not video games. See :Category:Horror board games and :Category:Horror role-playing games as well as the card games Kult and Mythos among others.★Trekker (talk) 09:01, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Objection that involves a dispute over the name of an article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:02, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

• Comment, see RM at Talk:Horror game#Requested move 6 May 2023. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Ministry of Investment, Trade and Industry (Malaysia). Article was ultimately moved to Ministry of Investment, Trade and Industry (Malaysia) on May 14, per Talk:Ministry_of_Investment,_Trade_and_Industry_(Malaysia)#Requested_move_20_April_2023. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:05, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Ministry of International Trade and Industry (Malaysia) to :Category:Ministry of Investment, Trade and Industry

:Nominator's rationale: Match main article as per official name https://www.miti.gov.my/ CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 22:55, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

• Related RM Nomination I just opened a formal RM to confirm that the bold removal of the parenthetical of the main article has a consensus. Your input (pro/con/other) is welcome right here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 04:10, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
• Defer to the outcome of that RM, whether I agree with the consensus or not. - RevelationDirect (talk) 04:06, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

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• Just follow the outcome of the RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:49, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

:: The RM remains open and input (pro/con/other) is welcome. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:05, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: RM for Ministry of Investment, Trade and Industry has been relisted.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:22, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

• The RM has also been relisted to try and reach a consensus there. If you haven't already weighed in (pro/con/other), you can do so right here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:10, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename the first to :Category:Fiction with multiple endings, delete the second. ✗plicit 00:35, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Fiction with alternate endings}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Video games with alternate endings}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:NONDEF. The existence of alternate endings in fiction or games is usually an interesting bit of trivia, if anything, perhaps a selling point, but doesn't define the work. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:27, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

• Comment/Purge/Delete Subcat This seems defining for Choose Your Own Adventure, Clue (film) and Shanghaied (SpongeBob SquarePants). I didn't see where an alternate ending was mentioned in Kamen Rider Blade. And, isn't it normal that video games have alternate endings? (Would love to hear from editors more familiar with them.) I guess this is a "purge" vote. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:02, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
• :{{ping|RevelationDirect}} I changed the categorization of :Category:Interactive narrative, so maybe a rename and purge to :Category:Fiction with interactive narratives would be better? ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:30, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

::: The two potential main articles we have in this category are Alternate ending and Types of fiction with multiple endings. So I think it makes sense to stick to one of those naming formats. But, it sounds like we're both OK with purging this one. (I updated my iVote above to formally endorse deleting the video game subcategory since I think alt endings are the norm in modern video games.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:14, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete subcategory only, for video games this is too common. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:16, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

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• Rename to :Category:Fiction with multiple endings, per Types of fiction with multiple endings. (I think both articles could probably be merged to that title as well.) Delete the video game cat. - jc37 09:55, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:06, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Paedophile Information Exchange people to :Category:Pedophile advocacy

:Nominator's rationale: SMALLCAT. There is no parent category for the organization to merge to so Category:Pedophile advocacy is the best place. ★Trekker (talk) 17:38, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

• Keep -- Paedophile Information Exchange was a British organisation, one of whose members had an unrelated job in British Home Office, making it appear to be officially sponsored (which it was not). I know that we like a minimum of five articles (and here only have four), but I am reluctant to merge a British category into a worldwide one. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
• Keep 4 members + Peter's concerns is good enough for me. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:58, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename (non-admin closure) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:58, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:PlaySation drafts to :Category:PlayStation drafts

:Nominator's rationale: The current category has a misspelling. 2607:FEA8:761B:C900:B86A:A57:C187:5D28 (talk) 15:15, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. This could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support And as Marcocapelle said it could probably have been speedied.★Trekker (talk) 01:12, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
• Speedy Rename Per WP:C2A, typographic and spelling fixes. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:14, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:31, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:58, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Pet shrines}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic of the articles in the category. Most articles do not mention it at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:54, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

::No objection Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 15:47, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete not treated as defining in pracgtice. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:20, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Shinto shrines by tradition. ✗plicit 00:35, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Shinto shrines by faith to :Category:Shinto shrines by deity

:Nominator's rationale: rename, this does not seem to concern different denominations in Shintoism, the subcategories are based on deities. Sort of WP:C2C per parent :Category:Temples by deity. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:50, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

::@Marcocapelle i tried to talk about this with WikiProject Japan and they were fairly insistent on the word {{nihongo| Faith|信仰|shinkō}}, while i thought the word cult was better

::not all of these shrines have a well defined deity associated with them, :Category:Gokoku shrines is linked to a variety of deceased soldiers and :Category:Gion shrines claim to be Susanoo shrines but their practices derive from a long history very different from conventional Susanoo shrines Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 15:35, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

::* {{ping|Immanuelle}} wasn't the issue maybe more that the word "cult" has a negative connotation? Good point that :Category:Gokoku shrines does not belong in this category, I will move it to the parent. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:43, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

::*:I do think Gokoku shrines belongs in this category because it is a specific kind of worship being done at the shrine. It has the same kind of tradition as say Inari shrines or Gion shrines. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 15:51, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

::*::@Marcocapelle :Category:Shinto shrines by tradition? Regardless we'd have to rename a lot of things Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 19:46, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

• Alt Rename to :Category:Shinto shrines by tradition. Clearer scope. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:22, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Shinto shrines dedicated to individuals. ✗plicit 00:35, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Unofficial Gokoku Shrines}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic of the articles in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:35, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

::Looking over the shrines I think I agree with them. Most of them are no different than any other shrines dedicated to individuals except that they were created in the period of the Japanese Empire. The only one where the name actually makes sense is Draft:Hiko Shrine which is a draft, as it's dedicated to all people who die in aviation accidents.

::I don't think we should delete it, but I think a good choice would be to take it out of the Gokoku shrine category, and rename it to something like :Category:Shinto shrines dedicated to individuals, put it in :Category:Shinto shrines by faith, put :Category:Shrines dedicated to Empress Jingu into it, and remove Draft:Hiko Shrine from it.

::Although some shrines such as Hachiman and Tenjin shrines are harder to categorize in this as they are deified people who people often worship without knowledge of the historical individuals. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 16:09, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

::* Ok, let's rename and reorganize it as you propose. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename to :Category:Tenjin (kami) (non-admin closure) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:58, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Tenjin faith to :Category:Tenjin (kami) or :Category:Tenjin (kami) worship

:Nominator's rationale: rename per main article Tenjin (kami). Possibly add "worship" per section title "worship". Faith seems wrong, it does not apparently concern a separate faith within Shintoism. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:28, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

::I agree{{nihongo| Faith|信仰|shinkō}} is what WikiProject Japan uses and i think it’s awkward. My preferred translation is cult. Changing this would involve a lot of changes across Wikipedia relating to how we translate shinko. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 15:38, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

• Rename Option 1 to to :Category:Tenjin (kami) per WP:C2D, consistency with main article's name. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:22, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
• Rename to Category:Tenjin (kami) to match parent article --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:32, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:58, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Rāgarāja}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, Rāgarāja is a Japanese deity, but it is not a defining characteristic of the other articles in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:58, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

::No objection Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 15:39, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:20, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Churches by Patron Saint}}

:* Propose deleting :Category:Churches of Our Lady of Guadalupe

:* Propose deleting :Category:Churches of Saint George

:Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SHAREDNAME, these churches don't have anything in common of encyclopedic value. We already have disambiguation pages, e.g. Saint George's Church. If kept, at least rename to "patron saint" without capitals. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:48, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

::They aren’t just the names. They are talking about whether the churches have icons or ties to the cults of those saints. Considering many people will go on specific pilgrimages for things like that i think it’s worth it. I do believe though that there has to be some kind of tie other than the name. That’s why i didn’t add all the Saint George churches to the category. Catholicism tends to get rather performative with its Saint cults at times. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 15:46, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

:::Sure, there's maybe a representation of the saint in stained glass, but that just raises WP:OCASSOC. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:25, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete This is literally one of the three examples in the WP:SHAREDNAME editing guideline. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:25, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
• Possibly listify before Delete -- a clear WP:SHAREDNAME case. The focus of worship in any church is God, not the patron saint. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

:I think that {{Ping|Peterkingiron}} may be confusing Catholic adoration with Catholic veneration; Anglicans frequently make this error in proper worship. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:39, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

• Listify I've just created List of churches under the patronage of Our Lady of Guadalupe and List of churches under the patronage of Saint George. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:35, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete: I agree with the nominator that this is best covered by disambiguation pages. Furius (talk) 00:07, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:58, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Montreal Royales players}}

:Nominator's rationale: Should be deleted per WP:SMALLCAT. It has one member and no likelihood of growth. The Montreal Royales were a failed independent baseball team which only played half of a season in 2003 and Garvin Alston, the only member of the category, is their only player who was notable enough to warrant an article. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 00:22, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete The two sentences in the Garvin Alston article make it clear this wasn't defining, and that's the only article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:27, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:58, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Buried in the Israeli Cemetery of Butantã}}

:Nominator's rationale: Badly named WP:SMALLCAT for just one event. Obviously we can do "Burials at [Cemetery]" categories for large and notable cemeteries that have a lot of notable people buried there -- but firstly, every cemetery on earth does not automatically get one of these the moment there's one murder case whose otherwise non-notable victim happens to be buried there, and secondly, even if there were grounds to keep this it would have to be renamed "Burials at", not "Buried in". Bearcat (talk) 00:08, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:59, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete - there is no article Israeli Cemetery of Butantã and neither is there a mention of Butantã in the relevant article (which is not a person anyway). Oculi (talk) 09:55, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

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