Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 February 5#Category:British scribes

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Defunct sports clubs and teams in Louisville, Kentucky. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:45, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Louisville Athletic Club football seasons}}

:Nominator's rationale: Only one page in category. Let'srun (talk) 22:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• Soft Delete I don't see any real harm in keeping it (in case there's more potential entries), but its sole entry can be easily moved up to "Defunct sports clubs and teams in Louisville, Kentucky". Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 23:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
• :Support in principle, but the category should be merged not deleted. Mason (talk) 23:52, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
• ::That is assumed, I thought. It's just one entry at any rate. I will gladly recat the article. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 00:05, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
• ::* Delete does not assume merge, on the contrary. Merge assumes merge. Delete assumes delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
• ::*:Pretty academic for a category with one entry - that's all I'm saying. Recatting the single entry and deleting the category is an effective merge. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 14:12, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
• Merge to :Category:Sports in Louisville, Kentucky. The article is already in :Category:1895 college football season. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:23, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
• :Grandchild category :Category:Defunct sports clubs and teams in Louisville, Kentucky (current parent to the one being discussed) is a better fit for where this article should end up. Ideally, :Category:Sports in Louisville, Kentucky will have few articles and mostly subcats. Some of the remaining articles will end up in not yet created subcats for "Baseball in..." and "American football in..." before long. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 19:07, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
• Merge to :Category:Defunct sports clubs and teams in Louisville, Kentucky per my above reply to Aidan721. Scratched my first !vote. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 19:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
• :That seems reasonable. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:47, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
• :Merge per StefenTower and WP:NARROWCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:39, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:44, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Fictional nephilims to :Category:Fictional half-demons

:Nominator's rationale: Made by a blocked user. This is a NARROWCAT with few articles that would fit. I suggest a merge to half-demons, but not angels, as they are not 100% angel beings. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:42, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• Merge, "nephilim" specifically is not a defining characteristic of these articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:08, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging {{clc|British currency traders}} to :Category:Currency traders and :Category:British financial businesspeople

:* Propose merging {{clc|American currency traders}} to :Category:American financial traders and :Category:Currency traders

:Nominator's rationale: This category tree ({{clc|Currency traders}}) is too small to need diffusion by nationality. Merge for now. Mason (talk) 21:30, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• At least merge the British with only two articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:10, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
• Merge both as nominated. As nom says, :Category:Currency traders is just too small to need diffusion by nationality. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:51, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Amazon River and :Category:Distributaries. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:03, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Distributaries of the Amazon River to :Category:Distributaries

:Nominator's rationale: Only one article –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:31, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

::Comment. It should also be merged to Amazon River. Mason (talk) 21:32, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• Dual merge, also to :Category:Amazon River or :Category:Amazon basin. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:04, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:56, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Fictional offspring of rape}}

:Nominator's rationale: Similar in concept to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_December_27#Category:Fictional_offspring_of_incestuous_relationships, which closed as delete. No real-world counterpart, which would violate WP:BLPCAT. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:15, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

::Support per nom Mason (talk) 21:32, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Per nom, trivial characteristic that is not defining. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, if anything the rape is defining for the parents, not for the offspring. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:12, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
• :Delete: Not a defining characteristic. Let'srun (talk) 14:36, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:56, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Fictional omnicide perpetrators to :Category:Fictional genocide perpetrators

:Nominator's rationale: Made by a blocked user. No article called omnicide exists, it only redirects to the broad concept of human extinction. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:41, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

::Merge per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:20, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• Merge, not a clear enough distinction. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:15, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated with the exception of :Category:Actresses from Islington (district). One of the targets is a {{t|category disambiguation}} (:Category:People from Islington), so I am WP:IARing and declaring there is consensus to merge to :Category:People from Islington (district). (This only affects the articles about Angel Coulby and Naomie Harris.) (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Actors from London by locality}}

:* Propose merging

::*:Category:Actresses from Canning Town to :Category:People from Canning Town and :Category:Actresses from London

::*:Category:Actresses from Chelsea, London to :Category:People from Chelsea, London and :Category:Actresses from London

::*:Category:Actresses from Dagenham to :Category:People from Dagenham and :Category:Actresses from London

::*:Category:Actresses from Finsbury Park to :Category:People from Finsbury Park and :Category:Actresses from London

::*:Category:Actresses from Greenwich to :Category:People from Greenwich and :Category:Actresses from London

::*:Category:Actresses from Hammersmith to :Category:People from Hammersmith and :Category:Actresses from London

::*:Category:Actresses from Hillingdon to :Category:People from Hillingdon and :Category:Actresses from London

::*:Category:Actresses from Islington (district) to :Category:People from Islington and :Category:Actresses from London

::*:Category:Actresses from Kensington to :Category:People from Kensington and :Category:Actresses from London

::*:Category:Actresses from Marylebone to :Category:People from Marylebone and :Category:Actresses from London

::*:Category:Actresses from Paddington to :Category:People from Paddington and :Category:Actresses from London

::*:Category:Actresses from Romford to :Category:People from Romford and :Category:Actresses from London

::*:Category:Actresses from Westminster to :Category:People from Westminster and :Category:Actresses from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Bermondsey to :Category:People from Bermondsey and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Bethnal Green to :Category:People from Bethnal Green and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Brixton to :Category:People from Brixton and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Canning Town to :Category:People from Canning Town and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Chelsea, London to :Category:People from Chelsea, London and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Croydon to :Category:People from Croydon and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Dagenham to :Category:People from Dagenham and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Finsbury Park to :Category:People from Finsbury Park and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Fulham to :Category:People from Fulham and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Greenwich to :Category:People from Greenwich and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Hackney, London to :Category:People from Hackney, London and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Hammersmith to :Category:People from Hammersmith and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Hampstead to :Category:People from Hampstead and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Hillingdon to :Category:People from Hillingdon and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Hounslow to :Category:People from Hounslow and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Kensington to :Category:People from Kensington and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Lambeth to :Category:People from Lambeth and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Marylebone to :Category:People from Marylebone and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Paddington to :Category:People from Paddington and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Streatham to :Category:People from Streatham and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Wandsworth to :Category:People from Wandsworth and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Westminster to :Category:People from Westminster and :Category:Male actors from London

::*:Category:Male actors from Whitechapel to :Category:People from Whitechapel and :Category:Male actors from London

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:Category:Actors from the London Borough of Barnet ::* :Category:Actors from Blackheath, London to :Category:Actors from the Royal Borough of Greenwich ::* :Category:Actors from Bloomsbury to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Camden ::* :Category:Actors from Bow, London to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Tower Hamlets ::* :Category:Actors from Brentford to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Hounslow ::* :Category:Actors from Brixton to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Lambeth ::* :Category:Actors from Bromley to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Bromley ::* :Category:Actors from Camberwell to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Southwark ::* :Category:Actors from Camden Town to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Camden ::* :Category:Actors from Canning Town to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Newham ::* :Category:Actors from Carshalton to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Sutton ::* :Category:Actors from Chelsea, London to :Category:Actors from the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea ::* :Category:Actors from Chingford to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Waltham Forest ::* :Category:Actors from Chipping Barnet to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Barnet ::* :Category:Actors from Chiswick to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Hounslow ::* :Category:Actors from Clapham to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Lambeth ::* :Category:Actors from Clerkenwell to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Islington ::* :Category:Actors from Covent Garden to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Camden and :Category:Actors from the City of Westminster ::* :Category:Actors from Crouch End to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Haringey ::* :Category:Actors from Croydon to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Croydon ::* :Category:Actors from Dagenham to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Barking and Dagenham ::* :Category:Actors from Deptford to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Lewisham ::* :Category:Actors from Dulwich to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Southwark ::* :Category:Actors from Ealing to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Ealing ::* :Category:Actors from East Ham to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Newham ::* :Category:Actors from Edgware to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Barnet ::* :Category:Actors from Edmonton, London to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Enfield ::* :Category:Actors from Elephant and Castle to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Southwark ::* :Category:Actors from Eltham to :Category:Actors from the Royal Borough of Greenwich ::* :Category:Actors from Enfield, London to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Enfield ::* :Category:Actors from Finchley to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Barnet ::* :Category:Actors from Finsbury Park to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Haringey ::* :Category:Actors from Forest Gate to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Newham ::* :Category:Actors from Forest Hill, London to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Lewisham ::* :Category:Actors from Fulham to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham ::* :Category:Actors from Greenwich to :Category:Actors from the Royal Borough of Greenwich ::* :Category:Actors from Hackney, London to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Hackney ::* :Category:Actors from Hackney Central to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Hackney ::* :Category:Actors from Hammersmith to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham ::* :Category:Actors from Hampstead to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Camden ::* :Category:Actors from Harlesden to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Brent ::* :Category:Actors from Harringay to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Haringey ::* :Category:Actors from Harrow, London to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Harrow ::* :Category:Actors from Harrow on the Hill to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Harrow ::* :Category:Actors from Hayes, Hillingdon to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Hillingdon ::* :Category:Actors from Hendon to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Barnet ::* :Category:Actors from Herne Hill to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Southwark ::* :Category:Actors from Highbury to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Islington ::* :Category:Actors from Highgate to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Camden ::* :Category:Actors from Hillingdon to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Hillingdon ::* :Category:Actors from Holborn to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Camden ::* :Category:Actors from Hornsey to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Haringey ::* :Category:Actors from Hounslow to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Hounslow ::* :Category:Actors from Hoxton to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Hackney ::* :Category:Actors from Ilford to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Redbridge ::* :Category:Actors from Isleworth to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Hounslow ::* :Category:Actors from Islington (district) to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Islington ::* :Category:Actors from Kennington to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Lambeth ::* :Category:Actors from Kensington to :Category:Actors from the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea ::* :Category:Actors from Kentish Town to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Camden ::* :Category:Actors from Kilburn, London to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Brent ::* :Category:Actors from Kingston upon Thames to :Category:Actors from the Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames ::* :Category:Actors from Ladbroke Grove to :Category:Actors from the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea ::* :Category:Actors from Lambeth to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Lambeth ::* :Category:Actors from Lewisham to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Lewisham ::* :Category:Actors from Maida Vale to :Category:Actors from the City of Westminster ::* :Category:Actors from Marylebone to :Category:Actors from the City of Westminster ::* :Category:Actors from Mile End to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Tower Hamlets ::* :Category:Actors from Mill Hill to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Barnet ::* :Category:Actors from Muswell Hill to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Haringey ::* :Category:Actors from New Cross to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Lewisham ::* :Category:Actors from Northwood, London to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Hillingdon ::* :Category:Actors from Notting Hill to :Category:Actors from the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea ::* :Category:Actors from Orpington to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Bromley ::* :Category:Actors from Paddington to :Category:Actors from the City of Westminster ::* :Category:Actors from Peckham to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Southwark ::* :Category:Actors from Pimlico to :Category:Actors from the City of Westminster ::* :Category:Actors from Plaistow, Newham to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Newham ::* :Category:Actors from Plumstead to :Category:Actors from the Royal Borough of Greenwich ::* :Category:Actors from Poplar, London to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Tower Hamlets ::* :Category:Actors from Purley, London to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Croydon ::* :Category:Actors from Putney to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Wandsworth ::* :Category:Actors from Richmond, London to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames ::* :Category:Actors from Romford to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Havering ::* :Category:Actors from Rotherhithe to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Southwark ::* :Category:Actors from Shepherd's Bush to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham ::* :Category:Actors from Shoreditch to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Hackney ::* :Category:Actors from Sidcup to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Bexley ::* :Category:Actors from Soho to :Category:Actors from the City of Westminster ::* :Category:Actors from South Norwood to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Croydon ::* :Category:Actors from Southall to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Ealing ::* :Category:Actors from Southgate, London to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Enfield ::* :Category:Actors from Southwark to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Southwark ::* :Category:Actors from St John's Wood to :Category:Actors from the City of Westminster ::* :Category:Actors from St Pancras, London to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Camden ::* :Category:Actors from Stanmore to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Harrow ::* :Category:Actors from Stepney to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Tower Hamlets ::* :Category:Actors from Stockwell to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Lambeth ::* :Category:Actors from Stoke Newington to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Hackney ::* :Category:Actors from Streatham to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Lambeth ::* :Category:Actors from Sutton, London to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Sutton ::* :Category:Actors from Sydenham, London to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Lewisham ::* :Category:Actors from Teddington to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames ::* :Category:Actors from Tooting to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Wandsworth ::* :Category:Actors from Tottenham to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Haringey ::* :Category:Actors from Twickenham to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames ::* :Category:Actors from Upminster to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Havering ::* :Category:Actors from Victoria, London to :Category:Actors from the City of Westminster ::* :Category:Actors from Walthamstow to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Waltham Forest ::* :Category:Actors from Wandsworth to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Wandsworth ::* :Category:Actors from Wanstead to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Redbridge ::* :Category:Actors from West Ham to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Newham ::* :Category:Actors from Westminster to :Category:Actors from the City of Westminster ::* :Category:Actors from Whitechapel to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Tower Hamlets ::* :Category:Actors from Willesden to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Brent ::* :Category:Actors from Wimbledon, London to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Merton ::* :Category:Actors from Wood Green to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Haringey ::* :Category:Actors from Woodford, London to :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Redbridge ::* :Category:Actors from Woolwich to :Category:Actors from the Royal Borough of Greenwich

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:OCLOCATION; see nomination for "Sportspeople by locality" for further rationale. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:13, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

::Updated target categories: I previous proposed deletion for the categories listed in the collapsed box. However, I have changed those to merge with their respective "Actors from *borough*" categories per discussion below. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:42, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

:::@Marcocapelle, pinging so you're aware of the change; similar to how I did "Sportspeople" since that was the main concern. If needed, we can deal with "boroughs" categories later. But the first step should be to get rid of the locality tree, which is not very helpful, and simplify navigation. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:45, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

::::@Fayenatic london, pinging for your opinion on this. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:09, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Merge, as a trivial intersection. This is mostly just by place of birth while they acted in entirely different locations (though possibly still in London). Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
• :Soft oppose on the basis of application of OCLOCATION whih makes it clear that people i.e individual articles should not be categorised by their place of birth if that is non-defining. Therefore, it should be assessed on a case by case basis: if someone is not considered to be eligible for the Male actors from Kensington category because that cannot be verified beyond a birthplace which doesn't appear to be relevant to their overall life, then they shouldn't have the People from Kensington or Male actors from London category either! So if someone wants to go through every biography for every walk of life, every time period and every location and make that judgement, fair enough. Alternatively, I have noted that other Wikis don't use a Person by Geography category sphere at all, maybe that should be considered if it is not being used correctly and so of no value? Aside from either of those extremes, we'll just have to accept that life ain't perfect and many, many bios have been categorised by birthplace so some places, even relatively small parts of cities like London, have extremely large 'From' lists and so subcategories have been created in good faith using the occupation. Deleting entire trees because the People From concept has perhaps been misapplied (and will continue to be forever, let's face it, editors of all backgrounds like to put a hometown on articles if there appears to be one, and it would be very difficult to adequately 'police' its use due to the volume) is missing the point IMO.
• :It should also be noted that as things stand, Actresses from London has 1,484 articles and Male actors from London has 1,605, so little would be gained by simply bloating them out by 238 and 245 respectively. However, it is true that most of these locality categories are very small and in some cases clearly unfinished e.g only 1 member in :Category:Actresses from Romford, but there are 8 females - none of whom appear to be self-declaring as non-binary! - in :Category:Actors from Romford (there is no Male Actors subcat there). A :Category:Actors from London by borough‎ set has been created which these could be moved (it isn't gender-defined, but the locality categories shouldn't have been anyway as it makes them far too narrow), it might be easier to sort semi-manually using HotCat as otherwise I think it would need to be a two-step process i.e moving Male actors from Chelsea, London / Actresses from Chelsea, London‎ into Actors from Chelsea, London‎, then into Actors from the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea, but maybe it could just be done directly...? Crowsus (talk) 23:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
• ::@Crowsus, I would be in favor of keeping occupation boroughs for occupations that are quite big but having divisions by borough and occupation and THEN by neighborhoods/localities and occupation makes for a complicated tree. This whole tree (and that of sportspeople) is a good example of WP:OVERCAT. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:05, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
• :::That's true of this tree in terms of NARROWCAT but not really for the sportspeople where even relatively small places have dozens of entries. However, I didn't create those down to the Locality level and don't in general except for large cities with hundreds of participants in one sport. I prefer to stick to the People from [small place], Sportspeople from [province or small region] and then Footballers etc from [large region] as long as the numbers are there to support those intersection, which there usually are for the larger countries and major sports in western Europe. You keep claiming the trees are confusing, but there is a logical pattern for London sportspeople with the 32 Boroughs - which have been in place for 60 years and are familiar to everyone with a passing interest in the city. Of course not everyone will know what locality falls within which borough (and unfortunately a few overlap) and that's why I added Sportspeople from London by locality as a simple container (and Footballers from London by locality a level down) so readers would be able to find the specific place alphabetically and not have to hunt in the boroughs. Difficult to imagine people can't work out that the Boroughs are subcategories of Greater London and the Localities are subcategories of the Boroughs, and equally hard to think that people looking in such areas wouldn't be aware that Footballers are a subcategory of Sportspeople. Whether 7000 London footballers are better split into 32 lists of ~200 in Boroughs versus a single enormous list split into 35 pages of 200 is debatable, I would say the Boroughs option is preferable as it indicates what part of the London megapolis that person of that specific occupation originates from, which is something readers want to know, or else things like newspapers wouldn't mention X grew up in Y etc as often as they do. The actors is more of a mess because, as I've pointed out, its unfinished and illogically divided into male and female on different levels, something I had nothing to do with. Cleary the preference is to move both Actors and Sportspeople up to Borough level at least - I'm happy to volunteer to do that semi-manually if it would be annoying to program a bot to do it accurately. Hopefully then it will be obvious that it is beneficial for navigation and information gathering purposes to divide the notable residents of this huge, important and thus extensively documented city into smaller, officially defined zones, each the size of a typical city in their own right, however 'trivial' that is deemed by some editors here, rather than into unwieldy lists containing thousands of entries across dozens of alphabetised pages for the benefit of... anyone? Can't think who. Crowsus (talk) 14:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. An intersection of borough and occupation is trivial. I wonder if we will go down to the street level. If {{Cl|Actors from London}}/{{Cl|Male actors from London}}/{{Cl|Actresses from London}} are large, it may be an indication that this intersection itself is probably not very defining. Intersection by theatre company (when that was a lifelong thing), genre, century may be more useful. Even though thousands of people (maybe tens of thousands) are primarily defined as a British actor, it will still be the most appropriate way to describe them in many cases. London is both, for centuries, a huge population centre and a capital of stage arts, it is hardly surprising there are many actors associated to it. Place Clichy (talk) 20:14, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
• :@Place Clichy, you should take a look at the "Sportspeople by locality" categories just below this one. Its a similar situation. My suggestion is to simplify navigation (i.e. get rid of the locality categories) before dealing with the borough level categories. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:29, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
• :Why would we go down to street level? I think you should take the People from X itself to CfD. Not really defining for anyone is it under your interpretation? Crowsus (talk) 14:19, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• ::@Crowsus, they clearly meant the intersection of occupation and locality, not the "People from X". Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:05, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• :::Maybe you should let them confirm themself what they mean. "If Category:Actors from London/Category:Male actors from London/Category:Actresses from London are large, it may be an indication that this intersection itself is probably not very defining". How can that be interpreted any way other than "there are so many actors from London, it can't even be important / defining [so there's no reason even to have it as a category for them at all]." When the reality is, there is a huge collection of Actors from London for whom their background (their early experiences, their accent etc) is a defining characteristic, so we should be including that valid categorisation but looking at ways to break the huge list up in other ways, per WP:DIFFUSE. Crowsus (talk) 21:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Triple merge from gendered categories, e.g. :Category:Actresses from Canning Town to :Category:People from Canning Town and :Category:Actresses from London AND :Category:Actors from the London Borough of Newham. WP:OCLOCATION says "Location may also be used as a way to diffuse a large category into subcategories", and these levels strike me as a useful balance. – Fayenatic London 22:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

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::@Qwerfjkl, I believe the majority is in favoring of merging per nom. This intersection - like the one for sportspeople - is the definition of overcategorization. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete without prejudice against creating a separate tree for politicians assasinated specifically because of their political ideology. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:58, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Assassinated politicians by political orientation}}

:* Propose merging :Category:Assassinated conservative politicians to :Category:Conservative politicians

:* Propose merging :Category:Assassinated liberal politicians to :Category:Liberal politicians

:* Propose merging :Category:Assassinated anti-communist politicians to :Category:Anti-communists

:* Propose merging :Category:Assassinated anti-capitalist politicians to :Category:Anti-capitalists

:* Propose merging :Category:Assassinated Democratic Party (United States) politicians to :Category:Democratic Party (United States) politicians

:Nominator's rationale: Non defining intersection. Category description notes: "This category is for politicians who were assassinated and were conservatives", which doesn't not add any additional value. These people were not necessarily assassinated because of their political orientation. See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_11#Category:Killings_of_politicians for similar arguments about non-defining intersections for deaths of politicians. Mason (talk) 18:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

::Pinging folks from that previous discussion: @Marcocapelle, @Place Clichy, and @Thinker78. Mason (talk) 18:31, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. How are you saying that political parties and ideologies of politicians who were assassinated are not defining for said politicians? They are absolutely defining as you can see said information regularly included in the lead of the articles about them and many politicians dedicating their lives to their political beliefs. I think you are being excessively deletionist.

:Per WP:NONDEF,

:{{tq2|a defining characteristic is one that reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define, in prose, the subject as having}} Political parties, political orientation, beliefs is something that reliable sources commonly and consistently define for politicians.

:{{tq2|if the characteristic would not be appropriate to mention in the lead section of an article (determined without regard to whether it is mentioned in the lead), it is probably not defining}} As mentioned, politicians' articles regularly include the political orientation in the lead.

:Sincerely, Thinker78 (talk) 18:41, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

::I'm saying that the intersection is not defining. Both elements by themselves are defining, but not the INTERSECTION. What is the added value of the intersection? If this category were for people who were assassinated because of their political values, that would be added value. Mason (talk) 19:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

:::The assassination of politicians of certain political orientations is absolutely defining by itself. For example in Latin America, politicians were persecuted and assassinated because of their political orientation. In the United States likewise, specially after the Civil War. Same around the world, many instances of political persecution deriving in assassination of politicians because of their political orientation. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 19:47, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

::::Every time we seem to have the same conversation. What is the ADDED value beyond the politician being conservative and being assassinated? " You can't have it both ways, in your comment below you said that this category covers anyone who is "an assassinated conservative politician." The narrower category "Category:Politicians assassinated for being conservative" you say "gets to be more restrictive and subjective", but that's because there is added information that makes the category useful. At present, I see not added value to the category. Mason (talk) 00:00, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principle, utterly trivial intersection, but the categories can just be deleted because the article are already in other categories by ideology. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:05, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• Neutral. I recon that politicians are more often than trivially assassinated for their political stance. However not all are: marital dispute, money or standing next to the intended target (such as Mortier, Cermak, Barthou) are common factors. I'm a bit ill-at-ease with catch-all terms such as conservative or anti-communist which may gather people with very different political positions killed for very different reasons. Maybe something like Politicians assassinated for being conservative may be better, or refine scope per era, party or conflict. Place Clichy (talk) 10:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• :@Place Clichy You have a point although naming the "Category:Politicians assassinated for being conservative" gets to be more restrictive and subjective. Say for example a conservative politician was assassinated while in office but there is not declared info on why they was{{efn|Yes, I think "was" is better conjugation on singular they, avoiding unnecessary confussions that plural conjugation provides.}} assassinated. Maybe the assassin killed them because being conservative, maybe not. In any case, what is a fact is there is an assassinated conservative politician. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 19:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Per WP:NONDEF, WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, WP:OCASSOC. This is not helpful for navigation. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:15, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

:Convert :Category:People of the Scientific Revolution to article People of the Scientific Revolution

:Nominator's rationale: Extremely subjective Mason (talk) 03:44, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:NONDEF, and the idea that a revolution took place is very controversial. The existing Scientific Revolution article is fine, but we need no more than that. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, a good suggestion for an article but that has nothing to do with keeping the existing category. Since the Scientific Revolution topic exists (a period of changes long named and recognized) there is little reason to negate a category listing its main achievers. Randy Kryn (talk) 08:45, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
• :Ok, but who counts as "main achievers"? Mason (talk) 20:10, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
• :* The existence of an article is not enough justification for creating a category, i.e. not every article needs an eponymous article. Besides we already have :Category:17th-century scientists and :Category:18th-century scientists, it would largely overlap. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:52, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as subjective. Article Scientific Revolution is sufficient to elaborate on the notion, including presenting major figures. Place Clichy (talk) 22:48, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. The delete arguments are poorly conceived. This is a well documented and clearly defined subject in RS. There's enough literature on this topic in major academic history journals and books published by university presses to support the article and the associated category. People in this cat should only be in it if published reliable sources state they were a part of the "Scientific Revolution". Those included in the cat should be evaluated on a case by case basis.4meter4 (talk) 05:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• : This keep arguement is {{tq|poorly conceived}}. It supports the existence of an article named Scientific Revolution, but not a {{Cl|People of the Scientific Revolution}}. Not every topic is good for a category. Guidelines will be a useful point of reference, such as WP:Categories, lists, and navigation templates and Keep people categories and topic categories separate. To elaborate on the arbitrary character:
• :* Both the Scientific Revolution article and the category put emphasis on the stated borders: "{{tq|from the 1543 publication of De revolutionibus orbium coelestium (On the Revolutions of the Heavenly Spheres) by Nicolaus Copernicus to the 1687 publication of Principia by Isaac Newton.}}" These are of course arbitrary as, although major milestones, they put undue emphasis on what are just mere signs of a larger movement that takes more time and involves many people. The Big Day and Big Man approach is completely discarded in the study of either science or history. Among others, it discards:
• :** Evolutions in other fields than astronomy, such as printing, the adoption of perspective in painting, the progress in anatomy and medicine (Vesalius anyone?), religious reformation etc.
• :** Other contemporary figures of Newton who played just as important a role, such as Pascal and Descartes
• :** Science of other parts of the world such as the Muslim world and China
• :* A good number of the members of the category were born after your arbitrary end date of 1687: {{diff2|1186059881|d'Anville}}, {{diff2|1186054960|Franklin}}, {{diff2|1186059137|Lavoisier}}, {{diff2|1186058561|Linnaeus}}
• :* People in this category probably never considered themselves to be part of a single movement, unlike Renaissance humanists or Enlightenment philosophers, and even modern historiographic sources don't consider them that. That's primarily because science was not considered a separate field of knowledge (e.g. from philosophy) in this era.
• : In short: the Scientific Revolution is an important topic for a topic article, but as far as individual scientific figures of the era are concerned, an exhaustive and neutral :Category:17th-century scientists is probably better in many regards than an arbitrary collection of people you like. Place Clichy (talk) 10:29, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per Place Clichy (or maybe merge to article Scientific Revolution). It is a WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, regardless of whether RSes commonly use the subjective term. This discussion has inspired me to write an essay, which can be found at Wikipedia:Subjective traits documented in reliable sources are still subjective. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:50, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete It's combines WP:SUBJECTIVECAT (was there a scientific "revolution"?) with WP:OCASSOC (who counts as part of it?) No objection to a sourced list article (separate from CFD) where these nuances can be handled, but categories are binary in or out which doesn't lend itself to this topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:11, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per 4meter4's argument. Dimadick (talk) 03:08, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge to boroughs (even for cricketers where the borough categories don't exist). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:33, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

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:Nominator's rationale: per WP:OCLOCATION. The "Sportspeople from London" categories covered by the city; these have recently been divided further by borough and then by neighborhoods within the borough and THEN by sports. Makes navigation quite confusing and complicated. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:25, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

::Updated target categories: I've changed target categories to their respective boroughs. There were a few for cricketers who didn't have borough targets so I suggest triple merge them to "Sportspeople from *borough*" and "Cricketers from Greater London" - @Marcocapelle, is this fine? Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:50, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

:::@Fayenatic london, for your opinion on this one. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::::Rather than merging to "Cricketers from Greater London", I suggest renaming Cricketers from Carshalton to {{cat|Cricketers from the London Borough of Sutton}} etc. – Fayenatic London 22:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::::@Fayenatic london, and the nomination itself? It is clearly a case of WP:OCLOCATION but I thought you may know better about categorization of British people. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Merge, as a trivial intersection. This is mostly just by place of birth while they played sports in entirely different locations. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:32, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
• :Oppose, the whole point of these is the parent categories such as People from Croydon and Footballers from Greater London would be far too large. There is nothing confusing at all about someone being categorised by the sport they play and the town they are from as long as the tree of each follows a logical path, which these do. Crowsus (talk) 20:29, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
• ::Tagging user:Grutness, user:Jevansen, user:Suonii180 and user:Namiba who are among those have also invested a great deal of time and effort in these trees and would probably be interested in this bid to blanket undo them conceptually (doubtless the result of this would be used as a precedent for other locations). Perhaps they can make more convincing arguments for retaining than me. Crowsus (talk) 20:38, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
• :::Lastly, theupmerge proposal is badly flawed as it should be that these nominated categories be upmerged first to the level above, e.g Sportspeople, Cricketers and Footballers from Kensington and Sportspeople, Cricketers and Footballers from Chelsea should all be upmerged to Sportspeople from the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea, Cricketers from the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea and, you've guessed it, Footballers from the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea. Alternatively those Borough-level cats should also be nominated for upmerging, but that hasn't happened. Interesting to see what the reaction would be if this proposal was mirrored in equivalent American trees and so drew the attention of more editors in that part of the world: I see no reason why the London trees should go but the likes of :Category:Sportspeople from Riverside County, California with its 3 location subcats and 5 sport subcats should stay (just to be clear, I have no problem with the American ones, they are valid and so are the English ones). Crowsus (talk) 20:53, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
• ::::Oh, and a couple have been missed (Rugby union players from Kingston upon Thames, Rugby union players from Bromley) and there's a few disambigs in the upmerge to list. PS to give just 1 example in 1 sport from over 30 boroughs, upmerging the footballers from the London Borough of Lambeth and its localities would add 191 articles to Footballers from Greater London. Let's say the average is 150, so in what way does bloating that category by 4,500 aid navigation for anyone? Crowsus (talk) 21:23, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
• :@Marcocapelle, would you be in favor of changing the target categories to "Footballers by borough" (and so on) in order to avoid making :Category:Footballers from Greater London (and so on) too big? Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:38, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
• :* I don't think that "too big" is a problem here, because sportspeople born in London (or a borough of it) have nothing in common with each other anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:47, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
• :*:I don't really understand that statement, can you explain? Crowsus (talk) 23:26, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
• :*:* Categories are primarily useful because they allow to find more information about a broader topic very easily. But people just born in a certain place is not the kind of topic that anyone would likely want to find more information about. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
• Rescope/upmerge to sportspeople, cricketers, etc by London borough. Locality isn't very helpful, but borough is an established tree for biographies in general so it would make sense to have sportspeople similarly divided. London's boroughs are each as big as a medium-sized city anyway. Grutness...wha? 02:19, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
• :@Grutness, I would be fine with changing target categories to boroughs. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:38, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
• Delete/merge per nom. The fact that there are many sportspeople from London, among all places, does not mean it needs to be made into multiple irrelevant categories. Large categories are fine. Place Clichy (talk) 21:54, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose original target to Greater London sport categories as separation into smaller categories can be very useful especially with sports that tend to have a large amount of players such as football. However I wouldn't be against them being merged into boroughs rather than locality as an alternative. Suonii180 (talk) 22:57, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
• :@Suonii180, they are being merged to boroughs. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:36, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
• ::@Suonii180, are you still opposed to the nomination? Just clarifying, the target categories are boroughs categories and not the Greater London categories. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:14, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
• Merge/rename to intersections by borough and sport, e.g. rename :Category:Cricketers from Wandsworth to :Category:Cricketers from the London Borough of Wandsworth. WP:OCLOCATION says "Location may also be used as a way to diffuse a large category into subcategories", and this level strikes me as a useful balance. – Fayenatic London 22:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

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::@Qwerfjkl, I think majority is merge/rename as listed in the nomination. Only the creator of the categories is opposed while another oppose is against merging with a category that is not even the target category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:33, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

:::@Omnis Scientia, believe me, few things make closing more difficult than the nominator (or indeed anyone else involved) asking me to close a discussion in a certain way. Qwerfjkltalk 19:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

::::@Qwerfjkl, sorry... was a bit annoyed at the when I posted this reply. Its been relisted twice now when, IMO, it should have been straight forward. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:12, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

:::::I understand where you're coming from, though. Sorry for trying to force it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:12, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting :Category:Sacred Heart High School (Ville Platte, Louisiana) alumni

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT and WP:MFN

:Sacred Heart High School (Ville Platte, Louisiana) is a small school in a small town and this category created in 2015 still only has 1 entry (Danny Ardoin). Those two articles are directly linked so the category does not aid reader navigation and Mr. Ardoin is already in :Category:People from Ville Platte, Louisiana so there's no need for a merge. I tried and failed to populate the category, but no objection to recreating it later if a few relevant biography articles ever get published. - RevelationDirect (talk) 11:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• Merge for now with no prejudice against recreation if the category can be appropriately populated. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:53, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:54, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting :Category:Tulane Green Wave broadcasters

:Nominator's rationale: WP:V and the spirit of WP:C1, an unpopulated category

:There's not much here: two redirects which both point to List of New Orleans Pelicans broadcasters and that list article makes no mention of either Tulane University or their Green Wave team. Maybe the two announcers without articles also did work for a local college, but the current category doesn't aid reader navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 11:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, a category with just redirects is not helpful for navigation at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
• :Delete per nom. Let'srun (talk) 19:00, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:51, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging {{Cl|North America–Pakistan relations}} to {{Cl|Bilateral relations of Pakistan}}

:* Propose merging {{Cl|Caribbean–Pakistan relations}} to {{Cl|Bilateral relations of Pakistan}}

:* Propose merging {{Cl|Central America–Pakistan relations}} to {{Cl|Bilateral relations of Pakistan}}

:* Propose merging {{Cl|Africa–Pakistan relations}} to {{Cl|Bilateral relations of Pakistan}}

:* Propose merging {{Cl|Central Asia–Pakistan relations}} to {{Cl|Bilateral relations of Pakistan}}

:* Propose merging {{Cl|Europe–Pakistan relations}} to {{Cl|Bilateral relations of Pakistan}}

:* Propose merging {{Cl|Middle East–Pakistan relations}} to {{Cl|Bilateral relations of Pakistan}}

:* Propose merging {{Cl|Oceania–Pakistan relations}} to {{Cl|Bilateral relations of Pakistan}}

:* Propose merging {{Cl|Pakistan–South America relations}} to {{Cl|Bilateral relations of Pakistan}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Foreign relations of Pakistan by region}}

: Nominator's rationale: bilateral relations are... bilateral. These are basically containers of national bilateral categories. This structure was set up just for Pakistan and frankly I don't think it should be developed for other countries. The handful of articles about regional cooperation can be moved to {{Cl|Foreign relations of Pakistan}}. Place Clichy (talk) 11:35, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

::Merge These relations are only with certain countries in the given regions, e.g. :Category:Canada–Pakistan relations. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:17, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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:* Propose merging {{Cl|South Korea–Oceanian relations}} to {{Cl|Foreign relations of South Korea}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Foreign relations of South Korea by region}}

: Nominator's rationale: Only one article: Korea–Pacific Islands Summit. It's a one-line article about a 2023 meeting, which can be categorized in the target category. Place Clichy (talk) 10:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

::Merge There should be categories only for specific countries or international organizations, such as Fiji–South Korea relations. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:18, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• Merge/delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:29, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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:* Propose merging :Category:Overseas Turkish organizations to :Category:Turkish diaspora organizations

:Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories. Place Clichy (talk) 08:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom, and per {{cl|Diaspora organizations}} and the absence of :Category:Overseas organizations. The others of form "Overseas Fooian organizations" should be renamed. Perspicax (talk) 17:37, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:27, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:British scribes to :Category:English scribes

:Nominator's rationale: These are medieval scribes; "British" is nonsensically anachronistic here. They are not referred to as "British" in academic literature (the equivalent word would be "Insular"). As an example, see [https://www.medievalscribes.com/ this website]. asilvering (talk) 07:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

::I notice after nominating that there are actually two modern scribes in here. These shouldn't share a category; they are fundamentally not the same thing. Patricia Lovett in particular is best described as a calligrapher. -- asilvering (talk) 07:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

:::Alternative. I've created a child category which should solve the problem.Mason (talk) 14:41, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

::::Also I have restored the british writers parent category. Removing it is unhelpful as it isolates the category from the entire British people by occupation tree. Mason (talk) 14:43, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

:::::@Smasongarrison These people aren't writers, as a category. If it isolates the category from the British people by occupation tree to remove that category, the sensible solution is to add "British scribes" to "British people by occupation", not to miscategorize it. -- asilvering (talk) 16:41, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

::::::And yet, you reverted my change [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:British_scribes&diff=prev&oldid=1203802750] and did not add the "sensible solution". I have added it, but my advice to you is to make categories more helpful rather than less helpful. Mason (talk) 21:21, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

:::::::@Smasongarrison You can look at the time stamps on these and clearly see that the revert came before the comment here; I hadn't read your comment when I made the revert, and your edit summary did not make the reason for your objection clear. It would be very helpful if you would use pings when replying. -- asilvering (talk) 00:57, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

• This discussion is moot after :Category:English scribes has been created. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:26, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
• {{yo|Smasongarrison|Asilvering}} am I good to close this as keep? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:54, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
• :yep Mason (talk) 00:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Document forgeries. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Korean false documents to :Category:Korean-language documents considered to be forgeries

:Nominator's rationale: Also see {{cl|Japanese false documents}}, both created by User:Invokingvajras. I'm not sure what name is appropriate for this cat, or if it should even exist. I don't know if claiming "false" is appropriate on Wikipedia, it implies we're passing judgement on what's true and isn't. Open to suggestions. We should also probably take the same action for this as we should the one for the Japanese document category. toobigtokale (talk) 06:03, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• Merge' to :Category:Document forgeries. The third article may well be purged and the category does not need to exist for just two articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
• :I'm ok with that toobigtokale (talk) 09:08, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. No prejudice against creating {{t|disambiguation category}}s. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Victims in the United States}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Crime victims by country}}

:* Propose merging :Category:Victims by country to :Category:People by country

:Nominator's rationale: There 's only one "Victims in Foo" category, and it's not helpful for navigation because it combines people who were murdered with people who died in aviation accidents. If kept it needs to be a contain category, as being a victim isn't defining by itself. Mason (talk) 05:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, or possibly turn the first and third into disambiguation pages, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:African victims of crime to :Category:African people

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There's no need to have a category with only one category in it. Upmerge for now Mason (talk) 05:34, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Breitbart London to :Category:Breitbart News people

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This distinction isn't helpful for navigation. There are only two people in this category. Mason (talk) 05:27, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• Merge for now, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Alaska Nanooks football to :Category:Alaska Nanooks

:Nominator's rationale: Only one page in category. Let'srun (talk) 03:04, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:02, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Coroners of New York County, New York to :Category:Coroners of New York City

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge this category. There's not need to diffuse by county yet. Mason (talk) 17:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Coroner of New York City didn't become a title until the merging of the five boroughs in 1899. Coroners are a county position. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:85:c482:47a0:41f4:7334:858a:c8c1 (talk) 21:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Gigapixel images from Google Arts & Culture. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:44, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Tile sets of gigapixel images from Google Arts & Culture to :Category:Gigapixel images from Google Arts & Culture

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has one category in it, which isn't helpful for navigation. (Also the non-merge parent category :Cateogry:Tile sets only has this category in it). Mason (talk) 01:11, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
• :Merge per nom. Let'srun (talk) 14:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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