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May 22
== RD: Mohammed Sinwar ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Mohammed Sinwar
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israeli-airstrike-that-killed-top-hamas-leader-in-gaza-hit-meeting-of-top-militants-1573fc00 The Wall Street Journal]
| updated =
| nominator = ElijahPepe
| updaters =
| nom cmt =
| sign = elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:48, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
==Chagos Archipelago agreement==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Chagos Archipelago sovereignty dispute
| image =
| blurb = The United Kingdom hands over the Chagos Archipelago to Mauritius as part of a bilateral agreement resolving the islands' sovereignty dispute.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = no
| altblurb = The United Kingdom transfers sovereignty of the Chagos Archipelago to Mauritius as part of a bilateral agreement resolving the islands' sovereignty dispute.
| altblurb2 =
| sources = [https://www.bbc.com/news/live/clyvv04wk8zt BBC News]
| updated =
| nominator = Mr. Lechkar
| creator =
| updaters =
| nom cmt = The deal has now been allowed to go ahead by the courts, and it can be considered a case of territory handover, similar to Hong Kong.
| sign = Mr. Lechkar (talk) 16:00, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- A few issues here: 1) The nominated article hasn't changed since 15 May, so where is the updated content? 2) Didn't we post this story already, when the deal was announced last year? 3) It appears that what happened today was the formal signing, but I don't see any statement about when sovereignty will actually transfer. The BBC article linked above mentions that legislation will be required, so presumably it's a way off yet. When is the implementation due? Modest Genius talk 16:39, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
::This was nominated in Oct 2024 but not posted. It appears that this rolled off without a clear consensus, and with quality concerns. Natg 19 (talk) 17:35, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The treaty is not yet in force. Would be worthy for ITN when it goes into force. GN22 (talk) 17:36, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
::I think this did go into effect today. [https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/22/uk/britain-chagos-islands-transfer-block-intl CNN] says "the British government has handed control of the strategically significant Chagos Islands to Mauritius". Natg 19 (talk) 17:41, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The treaty clearly says that it does not go into effect today. GN22 (talk) 17:41, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Where are you reading that it does not go into effect today? Natg 19 (talk) 17:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::This is the text of the [https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/682f25afc054883884bff42a/CS_Mauritius_1.2025_Agreement_Chagos_Diego_Garcia.pdf/ treaty]. It says it does not immediately go into force on page 11. GN22 (talk) 18:03, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::Hmm, you may be right. The text says {{tq|This Agreement shall enter into force on the first day of the first month following the date of receipt of the later note by which the Parties notify each other that they have completed their respective internal requirements and procedures necessary for the entry into force of this Agreement, unless the Parties agree otherwise.}} (which would indicate June 1) However, this is in the news "today", so it is relevant now. Unfortunately, there are quality concerns (like usual). Natg 19 (talk) 18:12, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Both the Chagos Archipelago and Chagos Archipelago sovereignty dispute articles have orange tags. Natg 19 (talk) 17:39, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality orange tagged articles cannot be posted. Think it probably does meet significance requirements. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:22, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
==(Closed) 2025 killing of Israeli Embassy in Washington, D.C. workers==
{{atop|WP:SNOW. Unlikely to go anywhere. {{nac}} Departure– (talk) 16:25, 22 May 2025 (UTC)|status=Closed}}
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 killing of Israeli Embassy in Washington, D.C. workers
| blurb = A shooting kills two employees of the Embassy of Israel, Washington, D.C. (pictured)
| image = Embassy of Israel in Washington, D.C.jpg
| sources = [https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/israeli-embassy-washington-dc-shooting-05-21-25 CNN],[https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9vgrkdje1ro BBC]
| nominator = Spworld2
| creator =
| updaters =
| nom cmt =A shooting that killed two employees of the Embassy of Israel, Washington, D.C.
| sign = Spworld2 (talk) 10:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Oppose the last thing we need is more United States content without a demonstrated long term impact. (t · c) buidhe 06:39, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Note: As evidenced by the article protection and talk page tag, this topic falls under WP:ARBPIA which has an WP:ECR restriction, meaning only extended-confirmed users may participate here. Left guide (talk) 07:37, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Buidhe. This is a terrible crime for sure, but there's no predicted long-term impact right now and no evidence it is part of a wider terrorist plot. — Amakuru (talk) 07:48, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
:Oppose for what Amakuru said. We currently have no information regarding this being part of a terrorist plot and we do not know yet what was the exact motivation of this horrible attack. WreeperPHX (talk) 10:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. Unless this spirals out into something that either rises above the typical mass shooting in the US or something extraordinary in the ongoing conflict in the Middle East, this isn't ITN-level. It's possible it might turn out that way, but at this point it hasn't. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 10:45, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is tragic for those involved, but unfortunately murders by gunshot are a common occurrence in the US. The impact here is likely to be similar to the Nantes stabbing a few weeks ago (which was rejected from ITN): a short burst of media coverage but no broad or long-term impact. Modest Genius talk 11:31, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose as per Modest. A tragedy for the families of those two individuals. But the context of this is: Gaza war. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:40, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- I can’t say much else (to avoid WP:NOTFORUM), other than this comment uncomfortably reads like a justification, and I’d recommend you strike it. The Kip (contribs) 13:15, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- :You would dispute that this is the context, i.e. direct reason, why this has happened? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:18, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::I would dispute that an attack on a Jewish event hosted by a Jewish museum in which the seemingly randomly-chosen victims happened to be Israeli was “contextual,” yes. I might be more inclined to agree if it was at the embassy itself. The Kip (contribs) 13:22, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::Then we have a different perspective of what the consequences of the continued Gaza War might be. Did you want me to strike my entire !vote, or just part of it? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:26, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::::The “context” remark is the problematic part in my view; it almost normalizes the idea that violence against American Jews should be expected due to the (horrifying) actions of a nation-state half the world away. I have no issue with your oppose vote, considering I also voted oppose. The Kip (contribs) 13:32, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::::Given that the suspect, Elias Rodriguez, reportedly chanted "Free, free Palestine!", I don't really see how these two things can be unconnected. I'm sorry if this means my comment reads like "a justifcation". Perhaps "context" is the wrong word. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:37, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::::::Listing off the Palestinian death toll of the war as the context reads to me as if you’re at best slightly callously implying this attack was irrelevant/not encyclopedically notable, given the differing scales, or at worst implying it was justified entirely, given the nationality of the victims. That’s what makes me uncomfortable; if you’d simply mentioned the war might’ve motivated it/that it’s part of a greater pattern of violent incidents relating to the war, I’d feel less so. The Kip (contribs) 13:47, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::::::I'd like to reiterate that I am not seeking to imply "it was justified entirely". I think it is surprising that there have been just two deaths of Jewish people like this in America when 67,877 Palestinians have reportedly been killed in Gaza. I'm sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable. For the avoidance of any further accusations of WP:FORUM, if you would like me to change the link to simply read "Gaza war", then I will do that. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:55, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::::::::We shouldn't be politicizing in our supports or opposes at ITN or anywhere, that's the NOT FORUM issue. Trying to equate or compare these two deaths to what's happened in gaza has zero advancement of whether this should be posted at ITN, and instead drives this to be covered by arbcom sanctions if it continues that way. Masem (t) 14:01, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::::::::The alleged perpetrator seems to have been trying to make a political point. It doesn't look like this was a completely random killing of people who were coincidentally Jewish, in a coincidentally Jewish location. I'm sorry if that means I am "politicizing my oppose at ITN." Martinevans123 (talk) 14:19, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::::::::{{tq| I think it is surprising that there have been just two deaths of Jewish people like this in America when 67,877 Palestinians have reportedly been killed in Gaza}}
- ::::::::With all due respect, this reads similarly to the callousness I noted in the “at best” bit. There shouldn’t be a competition, we can have sympathy for both the war’s many Palestinian victims and two Jewish murder victims.
- ::::::::Changing the link would make me feel less uncomfortable, yes. The Kip (contribs) 14:02, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::::::::I'm not proposing a "minimum number of Jewish deaths" before any similar such incident can be posted at ITN. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:14, 22 May 2025 (UTC) p.s. perhaps Violent incidents in reaction to the Gaza war should be at ITN/Ongoing. Although the unanimous response to not post this one incident here may suggest not.
- Oppose Absolutely tragic instance of antisemitic violence, but thankfully limited in scale; seconding Amakuru. The Kip (contribs) 13:15, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - Welcome to the US. — EF5 13:18, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose not terrorism related, just one crazed gunman. Very unlikely to become an international incident. Masem (t) 13:21, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
{{abot}}
May 21
== 2025 Khuzdar school bus bombing ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 Khuzdar school bus bombing
| image =
| blurb = A suicide school bus bombing in Khuzdar, Balochistan, Pakistan, leaves 7 people dead and 40 others injured.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = no
| altblurb =
| altblurb2 =
| sources = [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/21/at-least-four-children-killed-in-southwest-pakistin-blast Al Jazeera]
| updated =
| nominator = ArionStar
| creator =
| updaters =
| nom cmt =
| sign = ArionStar (talk) 14:18, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Oppose as terrorist attacks happen all the time in Pakistan as there is an ongoing insurgency, and this one only killed seven. Also, the article could use some help. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 20:26, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
== RD: Jim Irsay ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Jim Irsay
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45259729/indianapolis-colts-owner-ceo-jim-irsay-dies-65]
| updated =
| nominator = Jbvann05
| updaters =
| nom cmt =
| sign = Jbvann05 23:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Not yet ready There are some CN tags. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:03, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
:Oppose for now/Conditional Support once the CN tags are fixed. INeedSupport :3 04:50, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
== RD: Gerry Connolly ==
== RD: Andriy Portnov ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Andriy Portnov
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://news.sky.com/story/aide-to-former-ukrainian-president-shot-dead-in-madrid-13372008 Sky News], [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-ex-politician-shot-dead-outside-madrids-american-school-source-says-2025-05-21/ Reuters], [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/21/former-ukrainian-politician-andriy-portnov-shot-dead-outside-madrid-school The Guardian]
| updated = yes
| nominator = Abcmaxx
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Long article, well cited.
| sign = Abcmaxx (talk) 12:56, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Not Ready Death/Asassination section needs more info and citations. 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:984E:8CCC:55D8:2929 (talk) 19:17, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
::What more info would you expect given this looks like a criminal underworld assassination? Abcmaxx (talk) 19:33, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
May 20
== (Ready) International Booker Prize ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Heart Lamp: Selected Stories
| image =
| blurb = India's Banu Mushtaq and Deepa Bhasthi win the International Booker Prize for Heart Lamp
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = yes
| altblurb = Author Banu Mushtaq and translator Deepa Bhasthi win the International Booker Prize for Heart Lamp, a collection of short stories
| altblurb2 =
| sources = [https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/may/20/radical-translation-of-heart-lamp-by-banu-mushtaq-wins-international-booker-prize Guardian], [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c308qjpz9y2o BBC News]
| updated = yes
| nominator = Moscow Mule
| creator = SachinSwami
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Major literary award: the book's article is newly created and, as things stand, just about good enough.
| sign = Moscow Mule (talk) 13:36, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Support All three linked articles are of good quality and sufficiently updated. The Kip (contribs) 14:05, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support Articles are good quality and there is evidence of broad international coverage (both in western media and Indian/Asian media). FlipandFlopped ㋡ 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support Quality is there (and also for Muahtaq's article, that could be a target). Masem (t) 15:38, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Although Mushtaq is a bit proseline-y in the bio/activism section. And I've pipelinked the title in the proposed blurb (Main Page ban on redirects misremembered as a ban on pipelinks). Moscow Mule (talk) 16:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support. The book article is short but of decent quality and sufficiently referenced. It meets our minimum posting standards and the prize is on ITNR. Marking ready and I've added an altblurb. Modest Genius talk 16:47, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support Major literary award. Khuft (talk) 20:05, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
== RD: George Wendt ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = George Wendt
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =[https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/20/arts/television/george-wendt-dead.html The New York Times]
| updated =
| nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Needs some work
| sign = Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:58, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Norm! Another piece of my life gone. Referencing is exceptionally poor. This one is going to take some work. Not Ready -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:34, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality due to the orange sourcing tag at the top of the page. Ping me if the sourcing issue is fixed so that I can support. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:42, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Picture A picture would best for such a well-known face. I found a book – [https://www.simonandschuster.co.uk/books/Drinking-with-George/George-Wendt/9781439149591 Drinking with George] – which has lots of personal details including a picture of the subject as a baby. I've added that as a source and, as that hadn't been referenced yet, this shows that there's low hanging fruit to be found. As the article is going to be getting lots of traffic today, we need additions like this rather than tags and votes. The entry in [https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/cheers-reference-dennis-bjorklund/1144460634 Cheers TV Show: A Comprehensive Reference] includes an extensive list of acting credits and I've added that as a general reference for the filmography. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:50, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- :This screams pandering to Western audiences. He had one very notable role and little else, giving him a picture just because he's recognizable makes zero sense and goes against the essence of WP. Masem (t) 13:11, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::Meh, more innocently maybe just Andrew's perennial crusade for a "Picture RD". —Bagumba (talk) 13:27, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::Wendt's face is more recognizable than his name and so, to assist reader navigation, a picture makes most sense. Anyway, while ITN keeps posting politicians instead, many readers are still finding a way through and so Wendt has been the top read article for two days now. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:23, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality so many more sources needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:17, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
== RD: M. R. Srinivasan==
{{ITN candidate
| article = M. R. Srinivasan
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/former-atomic-energy-commission-chairman-mr-srinivasan-passes-away-at-95/articleshow/121287743.cms The Times of India]
| updated =
| nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Indian Nuclear scientist
| sign = Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:58, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
== RD: Benjamin Ritchie ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Benjamin Ritchie
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/indiana-execution-benjamin-ritchie-police-officer-murder-bill-toney-second/]
| updated =
| nominator = Natg 19
| updaters =
| nom cmt = American convicted criminal executed by lethal injection. Article looks good.
| sign = Natg 19 (talk) 18:45, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
== RD: Nino Benvenuti ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Nino Benvenuti
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/35040126/nino-benvenuti-dead-boxing-legend-champion/]
| updated =
| nominator = Natg 19
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Needs sourcing for titles and record, but prose looks good.
| sign = Natg 19 (talk) 18:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
== (Closed) Australian National Party Federal wing leaves coalition ==
{{atop|SNOW close. Consensus will not form to post. {{nac}} Heythereimaguy (talk) 21:02, 20 May 2025 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article = Coalition (Australia)
| image =
| blurb = The federal wing of the National Party leaves the Liberal-National Coalition after the 2025 Australian federal election
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = no
| altblurb =
| altblurb2 =
| sources = [https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/may/20/nationals-leaving-split-coalition-liberal-party-australian-election The Guardian]
| updated = yes
| nominator = MildLoser
| creator =
| updaters =
| nom cmt =
| sign = MildLoser (talk) 11:19, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:This is the collapse of the Australian opposition coalition? I don't think it's of international importance for the front page. Secretlondon (talk) 11:23, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is a split among the defeated opposition. The Labor party still holds a majority in the House of Representatives and forms the government. Whether Labor's opposition is a Liberal-National coalition or separate Liberal and National parties is only of interest to domestic politics. Furthermore, the report you linked to quotes the National leader saying "the two parties could reunite before the next election", so this might be only a temporary split. Not significant enough for an ITN blurb. Modest Genius talk 11:36, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:Oppose, this is not a fall in any country's governing coalition. 675930s (talk) 11:42, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:Oppose on notability ITN tends to avoid matters which are significant in domestic politics, but not significant in terms of international effects. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:Oppose on notability and suggest close good faith nomination, but political parties' internal dramas are not INT-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:35, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability. With an eighty-year partnership, this is essentially as if a major party in a two-party system chose to split. If Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez went and split the Democratic party and formed a new party, would we not post it? If Jeremy Corbin took half of Labour with him and formed a new party, would we not post it? It doesn't follow any precedents ITN has dealt with previously, but it is newsworthy. Now if the National party were to rejoin and leave again repeatedly over the next four years it would cease to be newsworthy, but at this point, as a novel thing, it is newsworthy. I would suggest bolding the Coalition (Australia) article once it has been appropriately updated, but I could see putting this news into the election article and bolding that instead. NorthernFalcon (talk) 15:20, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- :{{tq|If Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez went and split the Democratic party and formed a new party, would we not post it? If Jeremy Corbin took half of Labour with him and formed a new party, would we not post it?}}
- :To be quite honest, no. The Kip (contribs) 15:54, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Per the article, they have been through splitsville before and they will likely be back if they don't want to divide the vote. Or like NZ sitting in coalition desptie diference parties (ACT obviously took National votes).Sportsnut24 (talk) 17:20, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Not a governing coalition and therefore a domestic matter. The Kip (contribs) 15:55, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose- minor local political changes that don't effect the current parliament. Nfitz (talk) 16:22, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose while it's an interesting tidbit of news, party splits or coalitions happen all the time across the world. The coalition that won the most seats in the recent Portuguese election was only formed a few years ago, for instance. French politics went through several coalitions, splits, party relabelings etc. Khuft (talk) 20:40, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== RD: Jayant Narlikar ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Jayant Narlikar
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/noted-astrophysicist-jayant-narlikar-passes-away-at-87/article69596360.ece The Hindu]
| updated = yes
| nominator = 240F:7A:6253:1:3C6C:4FC:46F0:D42F
| updaters = संतोष गोरे
| nom cmt = Indian astrophysicist and writer.
| sign = 240F:7A:6253:1:3C6C:4FC:46F0:D42F (talk) 07:33, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
Support.I wish the article made it clearer that his ideas have not been accepted by other cosmologists. Still, it has been updated and the quality does meet our minimum requirements for posting in RD. Modest Genius talk 12:58, 20 May 2025 (UTC)- :While attempting to clarify the research parts of the article, I realised that there are a bunch of unreferenced statements, and most of the listed books need at least an ISBN. I've added several cn tags that will need to be addressed before posting this. Modest Genius talk 13:46, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::Some of your cn tags has been removed by AirshipJungleman29. Santosh 02:44, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
May 19
== RD: Colton Ford ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Colton Ford
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.out.com/news/colton-ford-dead Out]
| updated =
| nominator = Mr. Lechkar
| updaters = Damian Vo
| nom cmt = Actor and singer known for his career in the gay adult film industry.
| sign = Mr. Lechkar (talk) 08:13, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Support I've expanded the article and cited the sources. It looks better now. Damian Vo (talk) 17:23, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Lots of the references are to the subject - liner notes etc. Secretlondon (talk) 22:34, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- :: Added more sources (interviews, reviews) next to the liner notes ones. Damian Vo (talk) 02:58, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
== (Posted) RD: Eddie Sheldrake ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Eddie Sheldrake
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.presstelegram.com/2025/05/19/eddie-sheldrake-pollys-pies-cofounder-and-ucla-hall-of-famer-dies-at-98/ Press-Telegram]
| updated = yes
| nominator = Bagumba
| updaters = Connormah
| nom cmt = American restaurateur and UCLA basketball player. Died on May 8 but announced on May 19.
| sign = —Bagumba (talk) 18:21, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Support Good enough to post on the main page as a DYK hook last year. Bremps... 09:25, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
May 18
==2024–25 CEV Champions League==
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2024–25 CEV Champions League
| blurb = In men's volleyball, Umbria Volley Perugia beats Warta Zawiercie 3–2 to win the Champions League.
| sources = [https://volleytimes.com/2025/05/18/champions-league-perugia-rejected-alurons-comeback-to-take-2025-title-bronze-for-jastrzebski/ Volley Times], [https://worldofvolley.com/ World of Volley]
| nominator = Abcmaxx
| creator =
| updaters =
| nom cmt = World's top competition in club volleyball. Not very widely covered in the anglophone world.
| sign = Abcmaxx (talk) 14:27, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- I don't know much about professional volleyball, but {{tq| Not very widely covered in the anglophone world.}} seems to be a good reason NOT to post. Natg 19 (talk) 16:43, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- :We are a global Wikipedia and the reason there aren't that many sources are for the same reasons there are not that many Italian sources covering AFL finals or Polish sources covering the Rugby Super League. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:04, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. Per WP:ITNR, we do post the top international competition in volleyball. I'm not seeing a good reason to post the European club tournament as well, especially if it gets little media coverage. Regardless, the article is in nothing like a postable condition - it's purely tables, with no prose at all. Please don't nominate items until after the article has been updated and brought to something approaching postable standard. Currently there's nothing for us to assess, whatever we might think about the significance. Modest Genius talk 17:20, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- :This is the top international competition in the sport. The only other top event, aside from the Olympics, is the World Cup but that's like comparing the FIFA World Cup and the UEFA Champions League. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:08, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::No, these are club sides, not national sides. The top international tournament in volleyball is the FIVB World Championship (men and women). Modest Genius talk 11:38, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::{{Ping|Modest Genius}} This an international competition though, and a top one at that. Where do you think all those international players ply their day-to-day trade? If anything, club sides tend to be better than national sides as you can in theory have any player you want, but it's still comparing apples and oranges. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:18, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::::That's not what international sport means. This is a European club competition. Regardless, I don't see what your objection to my terminology has to do with whether we post this event or not. Modest Genius talk 12:52, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::::This is exactly what international sport means, Europe isn't a nation. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:11, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::What about the FIVB Men's Volleyball Club World Championship? How can we be sure that is not the top competition for clubs? GreatCaesarsGhost 13:20, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::Much less covered, less well established and less prestigious, similar to the FIFA Club World Cup and UEFA Champions League in football. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:56, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose {{tq|Not very widely covered in the anglophone world}} and lack of prose, just table after table. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:39, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::The quality issue should be addressed. Lack of anglophone sources, though, is a skill issue on our part, not a notability problem for the subject. This isn't the Wikipedia of Anglophones, and we should resist pressure for it to become so. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:15, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:::This is the English-language Wikipedia, so our audience is comprised of people who can at least read the English language. That's not the same thing as the Anglosphere, but lack of coverage in English-language sources does suggest that this event isn't significant to our readers. Modest Genius talk 11:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::::I would say it just means WP:BIAS. Volleyball is much more widely played and popular than gaelic football or lacrosse for example. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:21, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::I don't like that as a reason. Lots of things may not be common in the Anglophone media but are still important. I've no comment on volleyball fwiw. Secretlondon (talk) 16:01, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support {{tq|Not very widely covered in the anglophone world}} isn't a major reason for not posting this blurb. Anyways, it's still major international volleyball competition, and seems still worthly to be posted, regardless whether there's lack of source from English-speaking world or is the competition unknown from English-speaking people. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 21:28, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:* This support vote does not demonstrate compliance with WP:ITNSIGNIF, and looks to just be a retaliatory vote against one thing someone else said. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:53, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose No prose for the season summary. Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:54, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- I hate to be that guy, but the Wikipedia article pageviews for this tournament are pathetic. [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-60&pages=2024%E2%80%9325_CEV_Champions_League|2024%E2%80%9325_CEV_Women%27s_Champions_League|2025_AVC_Women%27s_Volleyball_Champions_League|2025_AVC_Men%27s_Volleyball_Champions_League There are other volleyball tournaments that had more views] (though those won't be posted anyway either). Maybe Europe is not the "home continent" of volleyball? Howard the Duck (talk) 20:24, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- :{{Ping|Howard the Duck}} Volleyball is hugely popular in continental Europe especially in Southern Europe and the Balkans. This final was top news in Poland and Italy. Granted, the final concerned teams from those countries, but out of the ~20 nations represented in the Champions League not a single club is from an English-speaking country. In fact not even the third tier 2024–25 CEV Challenge Cup has any competitors from England, Ireland or Malta. By way of comparison one of the most successful English clubs domestically is called Polonia London, so it's easy to draw conclusions about why page views are likely to higher on other wikis than enwiki. I would also add articles concerning volleyball aren't great compared to e.g. itwiki. Same as Rugby League articles are much better on enwiki than plwiki, for the exact same reasons but in reverse. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:13, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::I guess my point is if you'd want to get a volleyball tournament posted here in the English Wikipedia ITN, find a volleyball tournament that's actually popular here in the English Wikipedia, as evidenced my pageviews that I've shared. The article is piss poor at showing me how many people watched the final; apparently, [https://www.fivb.com/perugia-claim-their-first-cev-champions-league-crown-in-dramatic-final/ "more than 11,000 people"] watched at the Atlas Arena, which has a capacity of 13,805. So probably not a sell out, but the final had a team from the home country. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:33, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::{{Ping|Howard the Duck}} It was near capacity Atlas Arena in Łódź. Then again even domestic cup finals tend to be sold out or near sold out in Poland for volleyball. Finals tend to include the semi-finals the day before and 3rd place play-off so it's also seen as an all-weekend event similar to Formula 1, that's why it's hard to judge the attendance, there were a lot of Jastrzębski Węgiel fans in the crowd who would have been hoping it would have been their team in the final, and watched their team win the bronze few hours before. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:38, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::::Yeah I can understand on a technically neutral site final, you may not have a sold out arena, but for major sports these are usually sold out. In the 2024 EuroLeague Final Four, all four games had the maximum 13,578 people (although curiously the arena article specifies a larger number LOL). Howard the Duck (talk) 11:15, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::::All the tickets would have been sold out well in advance. Any empty seats, of which there would have been few singular ones dotted around, would be either from corporate not turning up or all-weekenders giving it a miss because their team didn't make it. Regardless attendance isn't the key factor here is it. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:36, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::::::Isn't it for most events, no shows who had otherwise paid their tickets (either by themselves or a sponsor) are counted to have attended anyway? Attendance is a key factor, as it shows you the interest in the local populace at least, more so if we're determining posting at ITN. If people in that area didn't care =for it to be a sellout, then why should we? Howard the Duck (talk) 11:40, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose both on significance and quality. Neither WP:ITNSIGNIF nor WP:ITNQUALITY are close to being met. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:53, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
== 2025 PGA Championship ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 PGA Championship
| image = Scottie_Scheffler_2023_01.jpg
| blurb = In golf, Scottie Scheffler (pictured) wins the PGA Championship.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = yes
| altblurb =
| altblurb2 =
| sources = [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/scottie-scheffler-wins-pga-championship-2025/ CBS News]
| nominator = Moraljaya67
| creator =
| updaters =
| nom cmt =
| sign = Moraljaya67 (talk) 01:49, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Comment: "Second round" section has no sources, "final round" section has no prose. Left guide (talk) 02:57, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Not ready. As is unfortunately typical with golf nominations, the article is a mess. The 'criteria' section is an incomprehensible set of bullet points (largely unreferenced), the final round has no prose at all, the second round is unreferenced, the 'venue' section has only one source (for a statement about a completely different event in 2016!) etc. The article needs substantial improvement to bring it up to a postable standard. Modest Genius talk 14:29, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - we rarely seem to post golf tournaments these days, for the reasons given above. The articles are always a mess quality-wise, and this one is no exception. The field needs to be reduced or split into a separate article (see 2024 Open Championship field for an example) and more prose added for the rounds. — Amakuru (talk) 16:15, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The field/qualifying criteria section is one of the most useful things about these articles. Wikipedia usually is the best resource for neatly listing the field and grouping each player into a qualifying category. For someone following the tournament and wondering "how did this guy get into the tournament", it generally displays the information better than the references supporting the material do. Spinning the section off into a separate article just makes readers have to tap through into another article.
::The main problem with these articles is that they are generally copy-pastes from a previous year's article so some of the content is supported by references that are out-of-date, and nobody cares enough to write prose summaries of the rounds. NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM (talk) 22:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The qualification criteria may be of interest to experts on golf, but not a general audience. I don't object to that information being somewhere on Wikipedia if properly explained and presented, but at present it's a massive and unintelligible data dump that unbalances the article. Modest Genius talk 11:45, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Agree the qualification criteria is only useful to specific golf fans and not a wider audience. Because it's way too complex for an average reader to understand. This is an encyclopedia, not golf fandom. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:50, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
== (Posted) 2025 Portuguese legislative election==
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 Portuguese legislative election
| article2 =
| image = Luis Montenegro at EPP Summit, 21 March, Brussels.jpg
| blurb = In Portugal, the Democratic Alliance, led by the Prime Minister Luís Montenegro (pictured) wins the most seats in parliament.
| ITNR = yes
| altblurb = In the Portuguese legislative election, the Democratic Alliance (leader Luís Montenegro pictured) wins the most seats in parliament.
| sources = [https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c74q57kydget BBC News], [https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250518-live-election-evening-portugal-poland-romania-results-reactions-analysis France 24], [https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/18/europe-elections-live-poland-portugal-romania-super-sunday the Guardian]
| updated =
| nominator = Haers6120
| creator =
| nom cmt = legislative election in Portugal.
| sign = Haers6120 (talk) 20:23, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Support but wait We need to clarify the official result first whether the ruling coalition wins "majority" 116 seats or just "wins most seats" that falls short of majority. Otherwise, this article is very good to be posted as WP:ITNR. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 23:29, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::Comment, it was no a majority. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:34, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:::It can be posted with a plurality or most seats caveat. In some cases, when the coalition is formed and sworn in that is also posted.Sportsnut24 (talk) 10:56, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support. I'm pleased to see that the article is in good shape, all the results tables have been filled out, and there are three paragraphs of referenced prose describing the outcome. While it could do with a light copyedit, the quality is fine to post. I've added an altblurb that I think is clearer and puts the bold link at the start. Modest Genius talk 11:57, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
== (Posted) 2025 Romanian presidential election ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 Romanian presidential election
| image = Nicușor Dan 2024.jpg
| blurb = Independent candidate and Mayor of Bucharest, Nicușor Dan, defeats Alliance for the Union of Romanians candidate, George Simion, in the 2025 Romanian presidential election.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = no
| altblurb = In the Romanian presidential election, Nicușor Dan (pictured) is elected as President of Romania.
| altblurb2 = Nicușor Dan (pictured) is elected as President of Romania.
| sources = [https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250518-live-election-evening-portugal-poland-romania-results-reactions-analysis France24], [https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c74q57kydget BBC News], [https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/18/europe-elections-live-poland-portugal-romania-super-sunday the Guardian]
| updated = no
| nominator = History6042
| creator = Bukovinian..Mapper
| updaters =
| nom cmt = This is ITNR and the result seem inevitable per current results, Dan is leading by 9%. I will work on updating the article.
| sign = History6042😊 (Contact me) 20:20, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Support Need to be verified by more sources and the article slightly polished, but otherwise should be posted given that it is ITNR. Gust Justice (talk) 20:31, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support altblurb See the official result at its Wikipedia page, the vote count just much closer to 100% (99.98%). So, it appears very good timing to post this blurb. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 23:26, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support Is mathematically impossible for the result to change at this point. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:58, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support in principle, although the Results section and lede need proper updating. Nsk92 (talk) 08:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Added altblurb 2 for brevity and to remove redundancies. Left guide (talk) 10:22, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support alblurb 2 for consistency with other ITNR posted blurbs. Additionally, the vote count is 100%, so it's perfect time for posted now. 2404:8000:1037:587:456F:150F:468D:9493 (talk) 10:28, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support ITNR Scuba 13:45, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support alt2 ArionStar (talk) 14:04, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Not ready. There's no prose whatsoever in the 'results' section, and2025_Romanian_presidential_election#Second_round_3 is insufficient as a description of the outcome.Once that's fixed, alt1 is the best proposed blurb. Modest Genius talk 14:23, 19 May 2025 (UTC)- :Support. The aftermath section now has a decent few paragraphs. Although 'results' is still just tables, I think this is good enough to meet out minimum requirements. Modest Genius talk 19:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Not ready per Modest Genius. In addition to the issue with no prose for results or aftermath, the page is also bloated with excessive maps and tables etc. Per WP:NOTSTATS we don't need vast tables for endorsements and all that stuff. — Amakuru (talk) 14:27, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment it's great that the article is locked to common editors while the registered editors wait for edits to be done before posting this. 194.102.58.6 (talk) 12:25, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Nothing seems to happen with this now. The alt blurb seems alright, the information is in the article, so what's the hold-up? FluturelA (talk) 14:28, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- :It hasn't been posted because no-one has fixed the problems with the article. There is still no referenced prose describing the (second-round) results and the outcomes of the election. Modest Genius talk 16:33, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::@Modest Genius I just did it. Is that enough or is there need for more? FluturelA (talk) 21:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025_Romanian_presidential_election&diff=prev&oldid=1291379879 This update] was done, and if you'd look at the section for the first round aftermath, it's still quite short. There should be something that could've been said, aside from the inevitable international reactions soup.
- :::This seems to be the [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-20&pages=2025_Portuguese_legislative_election|2025_Romanian_presidential_election|2025_Philippine_general_election|2025_Albanian_parliamentary_election most anticipated election] of the past few days and it'll be a pity if this won't be posted. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:05, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::::There's even more now: the results, Simion tweeting about interference, Pavel Durov responding... FluturelA (talk) 22:25, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::::Looks good enough now. Switched my !vote above. Modest Genius talk 19:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::::::I'm sorry for being a nuisance, but who's responsible for deciding to post this and when will that happen (approximately)? FluturelA (talk) 19:16, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::::::Pinging the (list of posting) admins below. Natg 19 (talk) 20:13, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- I spot an orange tag (in the section "Candidate endorsements from the 2024 annulled elections"). Orange tags are showstoppers. Schwede66 05:26, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- {{ping|Schwede66}} not anymore 194.102.58.6 (talk) 10:13, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Tagged as not ITN/R. In Romania, the prime minister is the holder of the office which administer the executive of their respective state/government, not the president, as per List of current heads of state and government. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- :What does this mean, this „ITN/R”? And where are we staying on posting this? The more we wait, the more irrelevant it becomes in international news. FluturelA (talk) 14:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::See WP:ITNR; it "being ITNR" bypasses discussions for importance and instead discussion should be about article quality. The importance seems to not have been discussed here (as people assumed it is ITNR), but I suppose it's important enough for it to be viewed by a lot of people inspite of this not being posted at the Main Page as of yet. You can try tagging this as "Ready" to see if another person thinks if this is indeed ready. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:03, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Ready The grievances have been fixed, the article is of sufficient quality with clear results and it is an expected election result. FluturelA (talk) 15:08, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- {{@ITNA}} can an admin take a 2nd look at this? Natg 19 (talk) 20:13, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support The article's prose/readability could be better, but there are no orange tags or CN tags. This meets the necessary standards to post. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 23:05, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Whether this is ITNR or not, there is consensus to post. Schwede66 23:19, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
May 17
== RD: Werenoi ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Werenoi
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.france24.com/en/video/20250517-werenoi-best-selling-artist-in-2023-and-2024-in-france-dies-at-the-age-of-31 France 24]
| updated = yes
| nominator = Mooonswimmer
| updaters =
| creator = Lk95
| nom cmt = Could be expanded a bit, a few citations needed
| sign = Mooonswimmer 11:28, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
== (Posted) RD: Domingos Maubere ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Domingos Maubere
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://en.tatoli.tl/2025/05/16/timor-leste-mourns-death-of-fr-domingos-maubere-freedom-fighter-and-human-rights-defender/13/ Tatoli]
| updated = yes
| nominator = Curbon7
| updaters = Jgefd
| creator = Jgefd
| nom cmt = Priest and independence figure from Timor-Leste. Article appears to be in quite good shape.
| sign = Curbon7 (talk) 11:14, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
== (Closed) Cuauhtémoc Brooklyn Bridge collision ==
{{atop|SNOW close. Consensus against posting. {{nac}} Natg 19 (talk) 22:14, 18 May 2025 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article = Cuauhtémoc Brooklyn Bridge collision
| image = ARM Cuauhtémoc crashes into the Brooklyn Bridge 0-17 screenshot.png
| blurb = The Mexican Navy's training ship {{ship|ARM|Cuauhtémoc|BE01|6}} collides with the Brooklyn Bridge, New York (collision pictured), killing two people and injuring twenty-five others.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = no
| altblurb =
| altblurb2 =
| sources = [https://apnews.com/article/brooklyn-bridge-collision-mexican-navy-ship-ca335dc85ebfbf981bc38516985461c8 Associated Press]
| updated =
| nominator = Mjroots
| creator = Hectordej7544
| updaters = MatthewPlayThrough, Dmoore5556
| nom cmt =
| sign = Mjroots (talk) 06:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Oppose: Even The New York Times website has multiple stories above this one. No real short term or long term effects are expected either. All lanes are already open. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 07:27, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose While a few lives were lost, it was a minor ship accident (no damage to the bridge itself), so not really an ITN bit. Masem (t) 14:59, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:Strong oppose Not comparable to the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse. The Brooklyn Bridge is still standing and fully operational. This wouldn't be making headlines if it wasn't such a grandiose ship that did the colliding, and the worst has passed on this. The Cuauhtemoc still sails, it's a shame it had to be damaged. Departure– (talk) 16:04, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose No structural damage. ArionStar (talk) 16:45, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is an unusual event but it's effectively a traffic accident that killed several people. That's tragic but doesn't seem likely to have any wider or long-term implications. The bridge appears to have received very little damage; road and river traffic has resumed. I doubt this event would be getting so much press attention if it hadn't been filmed by multiple witnesses. If the article can be fleshed out it would make a good DYK item. Modest Genius talk 17:12, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support. We are talking about an international disaster with dramatic footage. Long term the ship has to go somewhere, what the Mexican Navy decides to do will also be in the article. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- :How "dramatic" is the footage to justify posting this on its face? Departure– (talk) 19:38, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Far from being an "international disaster". Masem (t) 21:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Leaning oppose. Flashy, big news, but the most noteworthy impact is the damage to the ship itself, which does not rise to the level of the main page. Deaths, while tragic, where minimal, as was damage to the bridge. BD2412 T 21:58, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== (Posted) Eurovision Song Contest 2025 ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Eurovision Song Contest 2025
| article2 =
| image = PrepartyES - JJ 02.jpg
| blurb = Singer JJ (pictured), representing Austria with the song "Wasted Love", wins the Eurovision Song Contest 2025.
| ITNR = yes
| altblurb = Austria, represented by JJ (pictured) with the song "Wasted Love", wins the Eurovision Song Contest.
| sources = [https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c74n9n5l1nxt]
| updated =
| nominator = BabbaQ
| creator =
| nom cmt =
| sign = BabbaQ (talk) 23:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Support Previous years Eurovision winners were also posted, so I see no reason this shouldn't. TheHiddenCity (talk) 00:34, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support article updated and well-referenced; notability comments not needed for ITN/R. Happily888 (talk) 01:10, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support Not seeing any issues with the event article, updated in a timely manner as has been the case for multiple years now. Masem (t) 01:30, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:58, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support Well-sourced and updated with previous Eurovision winners also being posted. Cheers! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 02:59, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 03:11, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
== (Needs attention) Tornado outbreak of May 15–16, 2025 ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Tornado outbreak sequence of May 15–16, 2025
| image = Low-end EF3 damage to a family residence.jpg
| blurb = A massive tornado outbreak (residential damage pictured) occurs from the dates of May 15th-May 16th, killing over 31 people in the process.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = no
| altblurb = A massive tornado outbreak (residential damage pictured) hits the Ohio River Valley and the East Coast, with 31 people left dead.
| altblurb2 = 31 people are confirmed dead after a huge tornado outbreak (residential damage pictured) had hit the Eastern United States.
| altblurb3 = A tornado outbreak (residential damage pictured) kills at least 31 people in the Eastern United States, including 24 in Southeast Kentucky and five in St. Louis.
| altblurb4 = A tornado outbreak (residential damage pictured) kills at least 31 people in the Midwestern and Southeastern United States.
| sources = [https://www.npr.org/2025/05/17/nx-s1-5402053/tornadoes-kentucky-missouri-deaths NPR], [https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/15/weather/tornado-severe-storms-midwest-east-climate (CNN)]
| updated =
| nominator = 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:44A4:D241:CB72:1ED3
| creator = Departure–
| updaters = EF5
| nom cmt =
| sign = 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:44A4:D241:CB72:1ED3 (talk) 17:45, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Wait for the fatality count to inevitably rise. Massive, EF4+ tornado hit London, KY, deadliest since 2021. — EF5 17:46, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- :I thought the highest rating of this storm was EF2? 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:44A4:D241:CB72:1ED3 (talk) 17:47, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::2606:9400:98A0:92A0:44A4:D241:CB72:1ED3, that is true, but the London tornado was 100% of at least EF3 intensity. — EF5 17:49, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::@EF5 We should really evaluate the rating system for tornadoes and stuff 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:44A4:D241:CB72:1ED3 (talk) 17:50, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::::Not sure what you mean. — EF5 17:51, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::::based on the deaths from the Somerset-London tornado, that kind of killing is only seen in EF4 or EF5s and same with the damage, the damage looks as bad as the Smithville tornado's damage 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:44A4:D241:CB72:1ED3 (talk) 17:54, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support Tons of damage and a lot of fatalities. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 18:32, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support alt blurb 3 - Definitely worthy of ITN, has the potential to be worse than the 2021 Western Kentucky tornado, and definitely the worst since then. Casualty rate expect to rise as well. Kentuckian |💬 19:10, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
::Also good to note that Eastern Kentucky rarely gets these type of tornadoes (last I can recall being March 2012) so definitely a rare occurrence. EF5 19:12, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I suppose the mountainous terrain makes it hard for tornadoes to spawn (correct me if I am wrong). There are occasionally tornadoes, but they don't usually cause much damage, so I was extremely surprised when I heard about this one. Thank you for pointing that out. Kentuckian |💬 19:17, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
:It seems weird to say "Eastern US" because most tornadoes were in the Midwest and South Yobatna (talk) 20:13, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
::what i mean by eastern us is the half thats in the east 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:843E:4BA2:3AE:9770 (talk) 23:57, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
:::People don't interpret "Eastern United States" that way though. 'Midwest and South' would be a lot less confusing Yobatna (talk) 00:20, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::::I'm guessing that when you say "people" you mean Americans. I'm not American. I much prefer geographic precision in labelling over American slang terms for regions. I would interpret "Eastern United States" to mean the eastern half of that country. Remember that Wikipedia is global, not just for American readers. HiLo48 (talk) 01:08, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support: lots of deaths. JayCubby 21:38, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Wait. Evaluation is still being done, and the outbreak sequence the article is about is still ongoing. SPC has continued activity at least through Monday. That all makes this a trick article to keep in posting shape. That said, the London Tornado alone makes this quite posting-worthy - I don't want to mention it in the same breath as Mayfield because that really was another level of tragedy, but it is true we haven't seen that level of fatalities from a single tornado since. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:29, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- :The Somerset tornado was given a preliminary rating of EF4 or EF3+ very close to what the Mayfield was rated, even though that one had higher kills. Shaneapickle (talk) 17:31, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::Shaneapickle, the tornado is currently "EF2+" (article is inaccurate) and several tornadoes are usually rated EF4 each year. I wouldn't say this event rises close to the magnitude of December 10, 2021, but that's just me. — EF5 17:37, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support as article creator. It's looking like this is the most impactful tornado event of the year so far, about on par with March 13-16 (which we posted, though that had a higher death toll also attributed to wildfires etc). The London, Kentucky tornado had a very high death toll of 19, the deadliest worldwide in four years, and the St. Louis tornado caused major damage in a very populated area. More tornadoes are being surveyed, and while the rating of some tornadoes may not be in, the fact is the death toll and objective devastation doesn't wait for NWS Jackson (which is functioning below grade due to Trump's DOGE)'s slow surveying work. More severe weather is occurring today but that has been split into a separate article. The article is also up to quality in my opinion. Departure– (talk) 14:08, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- :I think ALT4 is the least awkwardly worded blurb, so I'd support that alt over anything else. Departure– (talk) 14:53, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support For Alt3 - Significant loss of life and property damage. CoatCheck (talk) 14:42, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:Comment Per altblurb 3, I would support removing links to the locations, or leaving only one link targeting Kentucky. The linked article for the region is more of a geological look at the region than a geographical one. Departure– (talk) 14:44, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::Fixed. Kentuckian |💬 16:49, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Can someone action this before it gets archived without a decision? 68.216.63.46 (talk) 15:00, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
== RD: Andy Tyrie ==
{{ITN candidate
| article =Andy Tyrie
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =[https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/former-uda-leader-andy-tyrie-dies-after-lengthy-illness/a193500042.html Belfast Telegraph]
| updated =
| nominator = Onegreatjoke
| updaters =1996Larry
| nom cmt =UDA Leader. Article looks good aside from maybe 1-3 citations that are needed.
| sign = Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:38, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
== RD: Adam Selwood ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Adam Selwood
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/former-west-coast-premiership-player-adam-selwood-dies-at-40-just-months-after-twin-brother-troys-death/ar-AA1EWege
| updated = yes
| nominator = HiLo48
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Australian football player
| sign = HiLo48 (talk) 02:54, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
May 16
== (needs attention) RD: Jadwiga Rappé ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Jadwiga Rappé
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/7791/Artykul/3525110,polish-alto-jadwiga-rapp%C3%A9-renowned-for-bach-and-wagner-dies-at-73 polskieradio]
| updated = yes
| nominator = Gerda Arendt
| updaters = Gerda Arendt, Grimes2
| nom cmt = Polish contralto who appeared internationally and had music composed for her voice.
| sign = --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
== (Need review) RD: Peter Lax ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Peter Lax
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/16/science/peter-lax-dead.html The New York Times]
| updated = yes
| nominator = 240F:7A:6253:1:2551:1C0F:F1BB:5714
| updaters = Myasuda
| nom cmt = Hungarian-American mathematician and 2005 Abel Prize laureate.
| sign = 240F:7A:6253:1:2551:1C0F:F1BB:5714 (talk) 09:17, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
== (Posted) 2025 Philippine general election ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 Philippine general election
| image =
| blurb = In the Philippine general election, the electoral alliance, Alyansa para sa Bagong Pilipinas, supporting the administration of President Bongbong Marcos, wins the plurality of the seats in the Senate.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = yes
| altblurb = The electoral alliance, Alyansa para sa Bagong Pilipinas, supporting the administration of President Bongbong Marcos, wins the plurality of the seats in the Senate in the Philippine general election.
| altblurb2 = In the Philippine general election, electoral alliance Alyansa para sa Bagong Pilipinas wins the most seats in the Senate, and Lakas wins the most seats in the House.
| altblurb3 = In the Philippines, the Alyansa para sa Bagong Pilipinas wins the most seats in the Senate election, while Lakas–CMD, one of its component parties, wins the most seats in the House elections.
| sources = [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7v73192pp3o BBC News], [https://www.inquirer.net/443383/marcos-talks-unity-with-only-6-alyansa-senate-bets-poised-to-win/ Inquirer]
| updated = yes
| nominator = Moraljaya67
| creator =
| updaters =
| nom cmt = This target article was featured on DYK on August 10, 2024. The Senatorial results [https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2025/05/16/2443547/list-final-senatorial-ranking-2025-elections has completed the tally] on May 16.
| sign = Moraljaya67 (talk) 16:06, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Added alt2. Don't know why just the Senate result is noted, but not the House. Natg 19 (talk) 16:35, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- I'd agree on including the House election results, but this is a bit more complicated. The Alyansa is mostly a Senate-only ticket or list. Its component parties contest the House and local elections separately. One of the analysis from the election is that the polls got it wrong when they said the Alyansa will win a clear majority of the contested Senate seats, but wht happened is they won exactly half of the seats contested, with the last seat being endorsed by a rival ticket. As for the blurb I don't know if we can fit the fact that Lakas is a component party of the Alyansa. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:02, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
:Requesting this to be moved on May 16. National tally was completed on May 16. Until that time, local media were hushed on making pronouncements if candidates actually won. Howard the Duck (talk) 19:02, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
::Moved the nomination to May 16. Moraljaya67 (talk) 03:08, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. Not going to purport to be an expert on how Philippine politics works, but I feel we probably should be having the House results lead the blurb, no? The realignment there appears to have been quite dramatic. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:33, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Actually, my bad, I'm seeing that due to alliances that's not really the case. Oops. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:34, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:*Support Well sourced article and an important topic! NewishIdeas (talk) 03:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- I have suggested ALT3 that links to 2025 Philippine Senate election and 2025 Philippine House of Representatives elections instead of 2025 Philippine general election. Howard the Duck (talk)
- Marking as updated and ready. This has gone for far too long enough. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:16, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Posted ALT3. Schwede66 05:14, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
== (Need review) RD: Emmanuel Kundé ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Emmanuel Kundé
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://briefly.co.za/sports/football/215961-emmanuel-kunde-dies-aged-68-cameroon-legend-time-afcon-winner-remembered/]
| updated = yes
| nominator = Natg 19
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Honors section needs citations. Offending section was removed.
}}
== RD: Jan Terlouw ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Jan Terlouw
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.the-low-countries.com/article/jan-terlouw/]
| updated = no
| nominator = TiffanyAlThani
| updaters =
| nom cmt =
| sign = TiffanyAlThani (talk)
}}
== (Posted) RD: Duncan Campbell (journalist, born 1944) ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Duncan Campbell (journalist, born 1944)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/may/16/duncan-campbell-obituary]
| updated = yes
| nominator = Natg 19
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Mostly ready.
}}
== (Posted) RD: Meta Velander ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Meta Velander
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.sverigesradio.se/artikel/meta-velander-ar-dod]
| updated = yes
| nominator = BabbaQ
| updaters = BabbaQ
| nom cmt =
| sign = BabbaQ (talk) 17:58, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Support Article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 20:38, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 03:33, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
May 15
== (Posted) RD: Luigi Alva ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Luigi Alva
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.br-klassik.de/aktuell/news-kritik/luigi-alva-tot-nachruf-tenor-100.html BR] - there's the NYT in English but paywalled
| updated = yes
| nominator = Gerda Arendt
| updaters = Gerda Arendt, Grimes2
| creator = Voceditenore
| nom cmt = One of the known lyric tenors of the 1960s and 1970s, - the list of capital cities where he performed could be even longer. The article was mostly there, thanks especially to Voceditenore - not literally the creator, but adding most of the content and referencing. I updated the Met ref and added the GSL. More expansion possible. --
| sign = --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
== RD: Glen Edward Rogers ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Glen Edward Rogers
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/05/15/serial-killer-glen-rogers-executed-florida-casanova/83654817007/]
| updated =
| nominator = Natg 19
| updaters =
| nom cmt = American serial killer executed on May 15. Article needs a little work.
| sign = Natg 19 (talk) 20:45, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
== FC Barcelona win the La Liga ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2024–25 La Liga
| article2 = FC Barcelona
| ITNR = yes
| updated = yes
| sources = [https://www.laliga.com/en-GB/news/fc-barcelona-crowned-champions-of-laliga-ea-sports-2024-25 La Liga]
| blurb = FC Barcelona win their 24th title in the 94th season of the La Liga with 2 matches left after a 2-0 derby win over RCD Espanyol.
| altblurb = FC Barcelona win their 24th title in the 94th season of the La Liga.
| nominator = Abcmaxx
| nom cmt = League season article has almost no prose and needs major work but the FC Barcelona and La Liga articles are good.
| sign = Abcmaxx (talk) 13:24, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Comment You've probably proposed literally hundreds of headlines, and your blurbs are way too long for almost all of them. When have we ever posted something like "with 2 matches left after a 2-0 derby win over RCD Espanyol" or even that it's the 94th season? Kicking222 (talk) 16:17, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Propose altblurb I think there should be an altblurb, like FC Barcelona wins their 28th title against RCD Espanyol to make it simple due to @Kicking222's comment on this ITN candidcacy. 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:581A:D0AD:AC67:921D (talk) 18:13, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality no season summary or much useful prose on the season article. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:14, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
== RD: Bachtiar Basri ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Bachtiar Basri
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = https://lampungpro.co/news/wakil-gubernur-lampung-2014-2019-bachtiar-basri-meninggal-dunia-dimakamkan-di-kotabumi-
| updated = yes
| nominator = Jeromi Mikhael
| updaters = Jeromi Mikhael
| nom cmt = Former Lampung deputy governor.
| sign = Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:59, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Support article is good to go. Sahaib (talk) 18:46, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:Oppose no citation for date of birth. Also, the footnote for the entire early life and education section as well as the first two paragraphs of the career section is not actually to a 'biography', despite it being described as such. Rather, it is actually to an [https://web.archive.org/web/20120528014245/http://tulangbawangbaratkab.go.id/public/profil-pemerintah/biodata-pj-bupati-tuba-barat.pdf unusual "biodata" PDF] whose origin and reliability seems unclear to me. In any event, the biodata form does not provide support for any of the many claims made. Needs work. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 23:24, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::It's from a government website. Try to translate the title of the website before commenting on the origins or reliability. If that's your main concern, there are several articles that I could offer as a substitute; I'll fix it shortly. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 23:32, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Clearly, I read the source before commenting on it - I stand by what I said: it is unclear what context the biodata form comes from and it was being used as a source for claims not supported by it. The article has now been modified to remove the inappropriate citations to this source though, so I support. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 15:30, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Is there any information about what he accomplished as regent/deputy governor? The body of the article mostly describes a list of roles and election results, without much additional depth about what he accomplished in key roles. SpencerT•C 06:19, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Not much, I guess. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 05:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
== RD: Robert Walls ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Robert Walls
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-15/carlton-premiership-player-and-coach-robert-walls-dies-aged-74/105295562
| updated = yes
| nominator = HiLo48
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Australian football player, coach, and commentator.
| sign = HiLo48 (talk) 02:57, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Strong Oppose there are some statements in the article that cited Wikipedia Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:53, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
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