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. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:05, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
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No evidence that "states" was ever in the name. Unlikely search term, apparently stems from a hoax. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:58, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
:I have a feeling that Bill Bryson states somewhere, in Made in America (book) I would guess, that Colonel Sanders started to become the archetypal Southern Colonel after being granted honorary membership of the Confederate States Air Force at the rank of Colonel. (That rank does not exist in the regular USAF or RAF, I am aware; the article states he was awarded the title of Kentucky colonel, which I believe is indeed the case.) Will check; if he does in fact say Confederate then User:TenPoundHammer's statement of "no evidence" is weakened, but not beyond repair; could have just been a mistake on Bryson's part. Si Trew (talk) 20:24, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
::Not in Made in America (book). Perhaps I am thinking of Notes from a Big Country, but so far I am on User:TenPoundHammer's side. Can't find that one on my bookshelf right now. Si Trew (talk) 20:31, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
::..because I have the American (original) version called I'm a Stranger Here Myself. D'Oh. But I appear to have mislaid that or lent it to someone. Si Trew (talk) 20:33, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Comment. The redirect exists because "delete then redirect" was the consensus of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Confederate States Air Force in 2014. Thryduulf (talk) 07:22, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Weak keep. This title gets a lot of google hits, but almost all of them are for various different alternate histories. We have an article American Civil War alternate histories but that doesn't mention an air force, and retargetting to any single one would not be appropriate unless it is a central plot point in one more than others (doesn't appear to be the case based on a quick google). Military of the Confederate States of America doesn't mention this for obvious reasons. It's a not implausible misremembering of the (now former) name of the present target, and so in the absence of anything better it will do, but ideally it should should be a hatnote atop a better target. I'll leave a note a the Alternate History wikiproject to see if they have any thoughts. Thryduulf (talk) 07:22, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
::Bear in mind also that names are changed sometimes in British editions. That would still be RS but they may have changed the names which is why I may have mixed up US and UK editions and have trouble finding it. It's good if RS, crap otherwise. Dont rely on my say-so on this one. Si Trew (talk) 22:42, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 00:15, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
:Keep. User:Thryduulf tends to do a lot more checking than I do; I do basic checks as requried, but Thryduulf tends to look into these things. In case of any doubt of WP:COI, which I'm expecting, no more has Thryduulf asked me to say this than Champion has asked me to list Eubot nominations. Facts are still facts, though a hundred times you tell them so. Si Trew (talk) 13:14, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
- delete I missed that the CAF had changed their quirky name to something bland (pity), but if Bryson referred to it that way, nobody else that I can find did. The phrase seems to be used entirely in "If the South Had Won the Civil War"-style speculation and modelling. The current redirect seems to me to be misleading. Mangoe (talk) 16:53, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
:::I don't think it was Bryson, I am unsure on my facts there. A journalist had a flight over with them, and it may have been P. J. O'Rourke. I've been racking m brains on where I read this because he was took up on an airplane, actually it was a B-52 for the southern confederate airforce, and kinda admired that they had their own airplanes. It may have been the Texas Air Force but referred to it as the Confederate Air Force, I am trying to track that down. Si Trew (talk) 22:39, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
::::GBook searching isn't turning up a plausible candidate: I get eight hits on the phrase, of which only one is genuine— another alt-hist thing. Mangoe (talk) 14:44, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per Mangoe. -- Tavix (talk) 19:22, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 18:31, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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